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Would a Over $1200-1500 Body only 7D MKII make sense.....
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Karl Gnter Wnsch
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The 7D is not only faster in terms of fps, it has the bigger buffer, the faster card interface, a better viewfinder, much less cramped UI (personal taste applies but the 70D for me is a chimera in this department), it's autofocus offers additional (and IMHO indispensable) focusing modes, a two way level and a more rugged exterior. All together this makes the 7D still (after 5 years) the top of the line APS-C and it's successor will build on that level...
Karl Gnter Wnsch
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Yet it has a shutter and mirror which is not only rated to a higher number of actuations but which also has a lower shutter lag than the 70D. So the differences are probably that the 7D has always been manufactured to tighter tolerances...
I also think that the 7DII will be priced at $1800.
davel33
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$1999, $300 more then the 7D if it has the 5D3 focus system 
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bobn2
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I was responding to the proposition that the 7D is a 'mini 1D X', which it is in absolutely no single attribute. As for the difference between the 7D and 70D shutter - I wonder.
First, I wonder what 'rated to higher actuations' actually means. For instance, the Nikon D4 and D800 had what was clearly the same shutter unit, yet one was 'rated' to 200,000 and the other to 400,000. More interestingly, neither company produces 'ratings' for their shutters at all, the statements that they make are that the shutter has been tested to so many cycles - so the difference could just be in the testing. So, it's by no means clear that testing for a different number of cycles implies a different shutter unit.
On having a lower shutter lag, that's simply not true. For instance, Imaging resources shutter lag tests of the two cameras (http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-70d/canon-70dA6.HTM and http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DA6.HTM)
Prefocussed (i.e. shutter only lag) 7D 0.061 s, 70D 0.059 s
I think that's the same, within IR's tolerances, and hence more evidence it's the same shutter. Actually, it would be very strange for Canon to use anything other than the 7D components for the 70D, they had the required performance and had already been developed.
bobn2
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Don't think so. According to IR's tests, the 7D in continuous raw does 7.98 FPS for 16 frames and then takes 10 seconds to clear while the 7D does 6.74 FPS for 14 frames and takes 10 seconds to clear. Given that one is 18MP and the other is 20MP while the other is 17.9MP that leaves them much the same - they probably have the same size buffer.
JackM
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$2500 would be a tough sell, but I'd be surprised if it came in at more than $1999. I think with 5D3 AF, 10FPS, and 7D build quality or better, Canon would be justified to put it on the same price level as the 6D, but no higher.
Myself as a 5D3 owner and sports shooter, I'm interested in the 7D2 for the greater reach. My 5D3 inspired me to buy a 300/2.8LIS to get that reach. I could sell my 300, buy a 7D2, pocket a few thousand, and end up with a more versatile, more portable, less conspicuous sports kit with my 70-200. I'd keep my 5D3 for other things, assuming the ultimate IQ and ISO performance remains superior.
For $2500 I'd expect near-pro build, 12fps and game-changing IQ/ISO/DR for APS-C.
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bobn2
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I think a 10FPS APS-C at $2k will be a tough sell over an 8FPS FF at 2.5k, except for the people who absolutely insist on a 7D MkII, and between the ones who've settled for the 70D and the ones who've gone to the 5DIII, I don't think there are many.
And it still wouldn't sell, because the people who really need IQ/ISO/DR go for FF and if you can get it for $2500 - that's what they'll get.
altair8800
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It would sell to those like me wanting speed and max pixel density. Unless it has the 70D sensor. It should be at least 24Mp or I will wait for D400.
If I wanted FF I would get D810. I would rather have 1D IV than any FF.
JackM
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I think you're referring to the rumored Nikon D750. For a new user, the D750 is more appealing if you don't need the reach, but how many new users are jumping in at this level? I would think significantly fewer than the number of Rebel, XXD, XD owners who would be considering a 7D2. For those Canon owners with good lenses, I don't think the cost of switching to Nikon would be worth it. May as well just get a 5D3 then.
And the reach is a major consideration. 200mm on FF is not enough for field sports, and only sometimes enough for youth field sports. We are talking about a sports/wildlife camera after all. Non-sports shooters will go for a 6D or D610.
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Sounds good to me! I would pay more than $2500 for that, but only if it is APS-C with 24Mp or more. Or maybe APS-H at 40Mp?
Karl Gnter Wnsch
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That was before the V2 firmware brought a new buffer management which greatly increased available frame storage.
bobn2
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So, there might be new firmware for the 70D.
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Mark B.
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There isn't though. 7D with V2 firmware does 25 RAW frames. 70D does 16.
Karl Gnter Wnsch
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Nope. The 7D was benefiting from the 1Dx development as the architecture of the two was so similar (three processors, two in the image pipeline which were sharing the image buffer). The improvements for the 7D were made by backporting the buffer management part of the 1Dx firmware, for the 70D - not a chance, it's a simple setup and has no similarities to the top of the line models.
bobn2
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You state that as a fact, but in fact it's simply your theory - no-one from Canon has told you. 7D has two DIGIC 4. 70D has a DIGIC 5+. 1D X has two DIGIC 5+. Each DIGIC is a different model of TI applications processor, so the 'architecture' of the 1D X is more similar to the 70D than the 7D - except that it has two of them.
bobn2
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Then it won't be very fast. Canon seems to like 20MP-is - so APS-H or FF at 20MP dual pixel. The latter makes sense, because video is very important for Canon and they haven't an FF camera yet with dual pixel AF. Possibly it could be waiting for the next 5D but if Nikon is adding another camera to its FF range, it's a fair bet that Canon is, too. Their problem would be - what to call a camera placed between the 5D and 6D - one way out of the bind would be to call it 7D and decide that 7D meant 'fast action'. However, the problem with all that, is that a spec and price like that would render the 5DIII redundant. Maybe they will for a year or so, and the next 5D will be a high MP device, when Canon sorts its sensor development out.
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