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Would a Over $1200-1500 Body only 7D MKII make sense.....
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Mark B.
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Karl Gnter Wnsch
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Yes, I expect the 7DII to be in the 1700-2000 Euro bracket - with the specs to make such a price a realistic starting point...
bobn2
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The official price of the 70D is $1,200. The official price of the 6D is $1,900
So, $1,200 makes no sense. Can't see a 7D being less than $500 more than the 70D and less than $500 less than the 6D. The hole in the price range is between the $1,900 6D and the $3,400 5DIII, maybe around $2,500 to $2,700 and that is where the new camera will most likely be.
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JackM
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Considering the 70D is basically a 7D already, if the 7D2 has 5D3 AF and 10fps, I could see it coming in at $1800 or so.
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Mark B.
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Not really.
Karl Gnter Wnsch
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Not even close...
Albert Silver
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You lost me.
$1,200 makes no sense. Can't see a 7D being less than $1700 and less than $1400. The hole in the price range is between the $1,900 6D and the $3,400 5DIII, maybe around $2,500 to $2,700 and that is where the new camera will most likely be.
It is worth adding that it is not too hard to find a Canon refurb of the 5D3 for $2700, which according to them usually has a shutter count under 1500, and that at Photokina, there is a strong rumor that Nikon will release an 'action' full-frame camera precisely in the $2500 range.
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bobn2
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Sorry, I wasn't taking sufficient care to cater for the full demographic on DPR.
Just corrected that for you, now draw the logical consequence.
There you go, better now?
No, it's not worth adding that. The only thing that matters for the list price of a new camera is other list prices, not street prices. The new camera will find its own street price sooner or later.
So, it's not likely that canon will field an APS-C camera in competition, is it?
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bobn2
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Maybe not, but adjacent.
Oh yes, that's right. One frame per second is really about the only difference between those two cameras.
bobn2
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Of course there is the 19 point AF against the 19 point AF.
Howard102273
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what the difference between the 70D and 7D really is/
7D == 1DX-lite
70D == Rebel+
Not even close.
7D == 1DX-lite
70D == Rebel+
Not even close.
bobn2
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Yes, your'e not even close. The specs reveal that those two cameras are more or less the same, probably share exactly the same mechanism, same shutter, same mirror box, etc. The 7D has no commonality with the 1D X at all. The 1D X has a metal chassis the 7D has a plastic one (just like the 70D), the 7D does not have the 1D X shutter, viewfinder, mirror mechanism, AF, metering sensor or anything.
It's an interesting question with respect to the new 7D, will the 7D/70D mechanism stretch to 10 FPS or will it have to be something new? If something new, can Canon justify the R&D costs for what seems to be a very niche camera. Of course, if it was a 7D X at $2500, and not necessarily APS-C, they could use the old 1DIV mechanism packaged into a single height case.
JackM
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Hardly. 1D4 light maybe. But even that's a stretch.
What Rebel has 19 af points or 7fps? Weather sealing? WiFi? Real AF during video? 1/8000 shutter? 98% 0.95x pentaprism viewfinder?
Actually the 70D provides more functionality than the 7D in several regards.
You're the one with no idea.
Albert Silver
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The only conclusion is that your math skills might need some brushing up. If it cannot be less than $1700 and it cannot be more than $1400...
No, my point was on price point. It will be a tough sell at $2500. A VERY tough sell. Let's suppose it costs that: what could it offer to overcome a 200% price difference over the 70D?
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Mark B.
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I have & use both, so I can tell you that they really are not 'basically' the same. The 70D does offer many convenience features over the 7D. If you do any video at all, the 70D is better set up with the PDAF and rotating screen and stereo mics. The rotating screen can be very helpful for low or overhead shots, or in a studio setting. Being able to use the touchscreen to set the focus point can be helpful as well.
Being able to transfer to a wireless device over wi-fi is very convenient. It's not fast enough to be a backup for every shot, but for the ocassional shot that you want to do a quick edit & upload it can be very handy.
I also have to say that I do find high ISO a bit better on the 70D. I haven't done any fixed lab tests, but having owned the 7D since '09 and now the 70D for almost a year I can see a difference.
Being able to do more than 3 bracketed shots is great; I don't often need to do that, but it's nice knowing I can do it.
The 7D is a more rugged camera, and the AF is a bit faster & more accurate. The off-camera flash control is better on the 7D - there are more options available.
To be honest though, if I had neither camera today and still had my 30D I'd go with the 70D.
Mark
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bobn2
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As I said, you draw the logical inference.
It's a tough sell, if it's an APS-C camera.
davel33
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"The 7D is a more rugged camera, and the AF is a bit faster & more accurate"
For sure the 7D is more rugged but I found the 70D to have higher keeper rate then the 7D but the two missing focus modes can make the difference for sports.
Dave
For sure the 7D is more rugged but I found the 70D to have higher keeper rate then the 7D but the two missing focus modes can make the difference for sports.
Dave
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