Telephoto with best quality

But what about the Leica 280mm f2.8 Apo? The older non modular model would be my first choice over the other possibilities I am considering. I am not interested in AF or IS, just considering its optical performances...
Hang on a second, first off it sounded like you were looking at AF lenses, now you are saying you don't need AF, so that would mean you would be looking at the Canon FD mounts of long tele lenses. Or do you plan to buy AF lenses and turn the AF off. I'm getting confused here :-)

What exactly are you after ??.
No, I am looking for the best optical quality regardless of AF, MF, IS, or else, as I wrote in the original post:

"What I am looking for is the best optical qualities (bokeh, apo correction, color fidelity, etc.), not the best AF or IS stuff."

I am simply looking for the best (optically) lens in the 300-400mm range with my budget, if it's MF, then be it, if it's AF, it's a bonus.
If you want MF Canon FD tele lenses, well I know a fair bit about them. That's mainly what I use. I do have the Canon FD 300 F/2.8L, 500 F/4.5L and the 800 F/5.6L. What I can tell you is that any Canon lens that uses a flurorite front element has absolutely no CA at all. The contrast is excellent and they are as sharp as anything out there.

300mm is too short for what I want, the 500mm is great between focal length, weight, balance and hand holding. The internal focus is smooth and fast.
Here is an issue, weight vs focal lengh. I used in the past an old Nikon 500mm ai-p, all MF but for hiking/trekking it was quite a pain, also because with a big lens comes a big tripod, tripod head and big backpack. Talking about FD lenses, did you changed the original mount to the EOS one or did you use an adapter? I was told the Canon adapter FD to Eos takes its toll on image quality.
Canon FD lenses can be used with no image degradation if no glass is used. The secret there is to use the ED Mitka adapter (very thin and precise) and if the lens is long enough, you can keep infinity. The 800mm 5.6L worked, but the 300mm 2.8 doesn't make infinity. Strangely enough, the easiest to use MF lenses with Canon are the older EDIF Nikkors. The 500mm that you owned is among the best. Sounds like size is a concern there so I would put the Nikkor 300mm f 2.8 or the Nikkor 400mm 3.5 against the Leitz 280mm any time. And you can find them all day long. I still have a 400mm 3.5 EDIF if you like to give it a go. It's user grade, but cheap.

Best,

Jon
 
But what about the Leica 280mm f2.8 Apo? The older non modular model would be my first choice over the other possibilities I am considering. I am not interested in AF or IS, just considering its optical performances...
Hang on a second, first off it sounded like you were looking at AF lenses, now you are saying you don't need AF, so that would mean you would be looking at the Canon FD mounts of long tele lenses. Or do you plan to buy AF lenses and turn the AF off. I'm getting confused here :-)

What exactly are you after ??.
No, I am looking for the best optical quality regardless of AF, MF, IS, or else, as I wrote in the original post:

"What I am looking for is the best optical qualities (bokeh, apo correction, color fidelity, etc.), not the best AF or IS stuff."

I am simply looking for the best (optically) lens in the 300-400mm range with my budget, if it's MF, then be it, if it's AF, it's a bonus.
If you want MF Canon FD tele lenses, well I know a fair bit about them. That's mainly what I use. I do have the Canon FD 300 F/2.8L, 500 F/4.5L and the 800 F/5.6L. What I can tell you is that any Canon lens that uses a flurorite front element has absolutely no CA at all. The contrast is excellent and they are as sharp as anything out there.

300mm is too short for what I want, the 500mm is great between focal length, weight, balance and hand holding. The internal focus is smooth and fast.
Here is an issue, weight vs focal lengh. I used in the past an old Nikon 500mm ai-p, all MF but for hiking/trekking it was quite a pain, also because with a big lens comes a big tripod, tripod head and big backpack. Talking about FD lenses, did you changed the original mount to the EOS one or did you use an adapter? I was told the Canon adapter FD to Eos takes its toll on image quality.
Well here's the thing. The Canon FD 300 F/2.8L is not that much lighter than the Canon FD500 F/4.5L, not to me anyway. The 300mm F/2.8's are very front heavy and are not the greatest to balance in the hand.

I don't use a tripod with the 500mm, the only time the tripod is used is with the 800 F/5.6L and I do walk a long way with the 500mm. Heck I'm going on 60 and its not an issue.

How sharp is the FD 500mm F/4.5L, well its not bad ....

Full frame view with the 500mm
Full frame view with the 500mm

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And how I would present it

So that's how I would crop it.
So that's how I would crop it.

So its sharp enough for me. The 300mm is very rarely used and simply because is too short in focal reach.

Can you afford that lens in your budget, yep you sure can.

All the best and the Leica at 180mm, I wouldn't know, is just not long enough.

Danny.

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Danny,

You do wonderful work!!! Did you really make all those captures with manual focus? In the 70's and 80's I was ok with MF in NCAA and NFL football, but I've lost those skills now,

Great work!

Jon
Every single shot is with the old MF Canon legacy lenses Jon. I don't own any AF lenses, I do have a kit 18-55 somewhere though. I live for the challenge Jon, that's what drives it I guess. Sports is fun as well and I still cover power boat racing here. Not a lot of money in it, but it pays for the gear and that's about it. I would love to have a crack at the NFL. The Canon FD's with the internal focus are still darn smooth and quick Jon.

All the best up there Jon and appreciated thanks. Now I just want to see exactly what the OP means and wants. I'm still confused by his posts :-) ;-) AF or MF.

Danny.
 
But what about the Leica 280mm f2.8 Apo? The older non modular model would be my first choice over the other possibilities I am considering. I am not interested in AF or IS, just considering its optical performances...
Hang on a second, first off it sounded like you were looking at AF lenses, now you are saying you don't need AF, so that would mean you would be looking at the Canon FD mounts of long tele lenses. Or do you plan to buy AF lenses and turn the AF off. I'm getting confused here :-)

What exactly are you after ??.
No, I am looking for the best optical quality regardless of AF, MF, IS, or else, as I wrote in the original post:

"What I am looking for is the best optical qualities (bokeh, apo correction, color fidelity, etc.), not the best AF or IS stuff."

I am simply looking for the best (optically) lens in the 300-400mm range with my budget, if it's MF, then be it, if it's AF, it's a bonus.
If you want MF Canon FD tele lenses, well I know a fair bit about them. That's mainly what I use. I do have the Canon FD 300 F/2.8L, 500 F/4.5L and the 800 F/5.6L. What I can tell you is that any Canon lens that uses a flurorite front element has absolutely no CA at all. The contrast is excellent and they are as sharp as anything out there.

300mm is too short for what I want, the 500mm is great between focal length, weight, balance and hand holding. The internal focus is smooth and fast.
Here is an issue, weight vs focal lengh. I used in the past an old Nikon 500mm ai-p, all MF but for hiking/trekking it was quite a pain, also because with a big lens comes a big tripod, tripod head and big backpack. Talking about FD lenses, did you changed the original mount to the EOS one or did you use an adapter? I was told the Canon adapter FD to Eos takes its toll on image quality.
Canon FD lenses can be used with no image degradation if no glass is used. The secret there is to use the ED Mitka adapter (very thin and precise) and if the lens is long enough, you can keep infinity. The 800mm 5.6L worked, but the 300mm 2.8 doesn't make infinity. Strangely enough, the easiest to use MF lenses with Canon are the older EDIF Nikkors. The 500mm that you owned is among the best. Sounds like size is a concern there so I would put the Nikkor 300mm f 2.8 or the Nikkor 400mm 3.5 against the Leitz 280mm any time. And you can find them all day long. I still have a 400mm 3.5 EDIF if you like to give it a go. It's user grade, but cheap.

Best,

Jon
100% correct Jon. Ed Mika does make the best if you want to mount them on Canon DSLR's.

I mount them on a Sony NEX-7 and that's basically just a hollow tube in the adaptor department. Its the reason I went mirrorless, that and the focus peaking from the EVF and the magnified view in the EVF. That makes is so easy to nail MF.

There are optical adaptors out there for FD to EF mount, but they are not the best and the original Canon version costs an arm and a leg :-) With mirrorless you can mount virtually any lens without added optics. Did my homework on that before I picked a camera to suit the lenses ;-) I also use Nikkor mount adaptors.

All the best Jon.

Danny.
 
Danny,

You do wonderful work!!! Did you really make all those captures with manual focus? In the 70's and 80's I was ok with MF in NCAA and NFL football, but I've lost those skills now,

Great work!

Jon
Every single shot is with the old MF Canon legacy lenses Jon. I don't own any AF lenses, I do have a kit 18-55 somewhere though. I live for the challenge Jon, that's what drives it I guess. Sports is fun as well and I still cover power boat racing here. Not a lot of money in it, but it pays for the gear and that's about it. I would love to have a crack at the NFL. The Canon FD's with the internal focus are still darn smooth and quick Jon.

All the best up there Jon and appreciated thanks. Now I just want to see exactly what the OP means and wants. I'm still confused by his posts :-) ;-) AF or MF.

Danny.

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Birds, macro, motor sports.... http://www.birdsinaction.com

Just Kingfisher ..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96361462@N06/
hey, danny, you have some great moon shots but they happen to be upside down ;-) who cares :-D take care!

cheerz.
Ha, yep when I look at moon shots posted from the northern hemisphere I swear yours are upside down :-) :-) Its a funny world huh ;-)

Danny.

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Birds, macro, motor sports.... http://www.birdsinaction.com
Just Kingfisher ..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96361462@N06/
 
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...... and my 100-400mm tack sharp. Focal length has a price and the 100-400mmIS is priced right.

Proof....look at my gallery.
 

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