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Rangefinder?
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People have done that for years with real rangefinders. I have a mate who uses M9 and M and M6 and he shoots lined up behind his left eye. It's just what it is and isn't a worse problem now than ever it was.
ShutterNot
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I use an E-1 and that has a built in diopter so you can take off your glasses.
No idea how the E-1 handles itself using the left eye (I'm blind in my left eye)
No idea how the E-1 handles itself using the left eye (I'm blind in my left eye)
Peter Jonas
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I don't think rangefinder style is really for you. It is difficult with the left eye. The X-T1 with its centrally placed EVF might be a better option for you.
Peter Jonas
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I'm "left-eyed" myself and use that eye when shooting with SLRs. However I find the corner-mounted EVF to be very convenient and hence use my right eye with the X-E1. When shooting verticals, however, I can still use the left eye by holding the shutter side lower than the viewfinder side. I do this a lot with SLRs, too, as it keeps both elbows in and helps with steadying the camera. Sometimes I have to use my thumb to press the shutter.
It's not completely true that the diopter adjustment in the X-E1 will allow one to remove his/her glasses. There isn't enough range in the adjustment to allow me to do that, although I still have to adjust it when wearing specs. Even so, I'm so near sighted that I wouldn't want to walk around without my glasses on.
It's not completely true that the diopter adjustment in the X-E1 will allow one to remove his/her glasses. There isn't enough range in the adjustment to allow me to do that, although I still have to adjust it when wearing specs. Even so, I'm so near sighted that I wouldn't want to walk around without my glasses on.
Peter Jonas
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This is a very good idea about holding the camera vertically shutter button down. The viewfinder is then in a near perfect place.
However, these days I try to avoid taking photos with portrait orientation for the simple reason that they they are pain to view on a 16:9 landscape monitor.
Of course, if you print your photos the monitor thing is totally irrelevant.
Aside on many things reported on this thread, as a left-eye shooter I have to say that the position of the VF is not that significant to me. In any case, my nose makes some problems. Instead, I'd say that having a large eye-cup can make things more comfortable...
The other day I was playing with the Sony A7 line in a store (BTW, the camera and the lenses are smaller than what the online pics let you think...). As a left-eye shooter, I found the close distance between the EVF and the dials extremely annoying. Basically, it was impossible for me to rotate the posterior dials without rubbing my right thumb against my face.
As paradoxical it might sound, IMHO the rangefinder style location for a EVF (provided a decent eye-cup) might be more comfortable for a left-eye shooter, as there's more real estate between the nose and the knobs.
Another advantage of rangefinder-styled cameras is that they look more "stealth": for casual people, they just look like P&S cameras (maybe pumped with hormones...) so shooting around with them is less intimidating rather than using a SLR(-shaped) camera.
The other day I was playing with the Sony A7 line in a store (BTW, the camera and the lenses are smaller than what the online pics let you think...). As a left-eye shooter, I found the close distance between the EVF and the dials extremely annoying. Basically, it was impossible for me to rotate the posterior dials without rubbing my right thumb against my face.
As paradoxical it might sound, IMHO the rangefinder style location for a EVF (provided a decent eye-cup) might be more comfortable for a left-eye shooter, as there's more real estate between the nose and the knobs.
Another advantage of rangefinder-styled cameras is that they look more "stealth": for casual people, they just look like P&S cameras (maybe pumped with hormones...) so shooting around with them is less intimidating rather than using a SLR(-shaped) camera.
This may be a stupid question. Some people prefer the rangefinder style of X-E1/2 and the X-pro1. Are they just regular digital camera like the X-T1 but happen to have the viewfinder on the top left looking from the back of the camera? They are not real rangefinder, right? For the EVF, it could be placed anywhere - X-E1/2 on top left, X-T1 in the middle. It could well on the bottom right as it is just an LCD screen
What is the advantage, if any, the rangefinder style brings? I have an X-E1 but I do not really see any unique advantage of the rangefinder style.
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This is a very good idea about holding the camera vertically shutter button down. The viewfinder is then in a near perfect place.
However, these days I try to avoid taking photos with portrait orientation for the simple reason that they they are pain to view on a 16:9 landscape monitor.
Of course, if you print your photos the monitor thing is totally irrelevant.
Peter Jonas
Senior Member
This is a very good idea about holding the camera vertically shutter button down. The viewfinder is then in a near perfect place.
However, these days I try to avoid taking photos with portrait orientation for the simple reason that they they are pain to view on a 16:9 landscape monitor.
Of course, if you print your photos the monitor thing is totally irrelevant.
Peter Jonas
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I know that now.
Now I know it even more.
But thanks for pointing it out to me anyway.
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Peter Jonas
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I have considered that.
It's a 65" one. Needs four guys, a couple of shifters and a screwdriver.
In the end I decided against it.
km25
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The Pro 1 and the X100s are not Rangefinder cameras, They are using AF and live, in the viewer. A true RF camera is very different. In the world of mirrorless cameras, Leica has a very fast and accurate way of focusing the lens using their RF. It is very different and takes some using to master. For electric with AF Fuji has a very and clever.
I bought my X-Pro1 excited about the hybrid viewfinder. Getting a good optical view I thought would be great based on my DSLR experience and my use of my Zeiss IKON which was a real rangefinder.
My disappointment with the X-Pro1 was that I couldn't tell if anything was in focus with the Optical Viewfinder. So I found myself always going to the EVF. In the end I sold it and got an X-E1 because it had a better EVF. I'm happy with the progression of the EVF from the X-E1 to the X-E2 to the X-T1 but I'd still like to get a digital camera with a true optical rangefinder focusing system but I won't spend the money for a Leica. Don't know why no one has considered making one.
A true RF would be a great play for the X-Pro2 but I doubt we'll see it.
My disappointment with the X-Pro1 was that I couldn't tell if anything was in focus with the Optical Viewfinder. So I found myself always going to the EVF. In the end I sold it and got an X-E1 because it had a better EVF. I'm happy with the progression of the EVF from the X-E1 to the X-E2 to the X-T1 but I'd still like to get a digital camera with a true optical rangefinder focusing system but I won't spend the money for a Leica. Don't know why no one has considered making one.
A true RF would be a great play for the X-Pro2 but I doubt we'll see it.
I am a left eye + eyeglasses. I do not find the rangefinder style any better or worse than a DSLR. I have tried to shoot with right eye, and right-eye with both eyes open but I just can't as I find seeing the image in the viewfinder and the other eye too confusing.
A great question. Anyone know an executive at Fuji?
caerphoto
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I think that's a little short-sighted. EVF technology is still very much in its infancy, and the year-on-year improvements are significant. I can quite easily envisage time in the near future when EVFs can show plenty high enough dynamic range to satisfy almost anyone. As for the brightning/darkening, you realise your eye does exactly the same thing when you're looking through an optical viewfinder? Even when not looking through a viewfinder, you eye is constantly adapting brightness depending on where you're looking.
The only reason EVFs change brightness at the moment is because they can't output the same dynamic range as the scene input, which again is a solvable technology problem.
As for the vertigo issue, again, I believe that's a solvable problem – take a look at the work the Oculus Rift folks are doing with version 2 of their developer kit. Faster refresh rates, less display smearing, and other clever things. Lots of people are working on the problems, and they will solve them, it's just a matter of time.
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