Well, if by basic van you mean an old rust bucket, chances are the cheap guy might not make it to your place and you'll end up paying the more expensive one who can get the job done, waisting more of your time at the least.For the sake of polite argument, why do you think clients should be expected to pay for the other 87.8%?Yes, I'd say that was pretty actuate - although we do sometimes get to travel to exotic locations and party too, which the 2nd graph didn't even include
But looking at the 2nd graph - it would therefore seem totally crazy to only ask others to pay you for the 12.2% part - but yet it's what so many seem to do, when they ask their clients to hire them and just pay them for their time to take the pictures.
So maybe the 1st graph isn't just how 'other people' think photographers spend their time, it's maybe what a lot of photographers think too, which is why they charge a 'day rate' and think that's the right thing to do !!
;-)
Cheers,
Ashley.
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For example, if I hire/employ/pay/reimburse/compensate/etc. a carpenter to come and fit a few (say three) interior doors for me I know it should take no more than one day, at an average day rate for a carpenter of £150+ VAT.
Now, if the carpenter said, well I spent a lot of time and money advertising in the local press, I bought a brand new top of the range Mercedes Sprinter van, I spend a lot of time keeping my books in perfect order (maybe he secretly aspired to be an accountant ;-) ). I also have to chase overdue invoices from trade customers so I charge £250+ VAT a day.
There's a second carpenter who is equally skilled at hanging doors, but he does the minimum amount of book keeping, doesn't advertise, doesn't do any work on account so doesn't have to chase invoices and has a basic van that's a few years old and bought and paid for. He charges a more reasonable day rate of £140 + VAT.
Which one (remember they're both equally skilled, established and available to do the work) would you hire?
Ah yeah in the same way as someone who doesn't have to latest, newest gear might have a camera malfunction and not complete the job. Then you'll end up paying for someone with latest Nikon D4s or Canon 1Dx, who can get the job done, wasting more of your time... ;-)Well, if by basic van you mean an old rust bucket, chances are the cheap guy might not make it to your place and you'll end up paying the more expensive one who can get the job done, waisting more of your time at the least.For the sake of polite argument, why do you think clients should be expected to pay for the other 87.8%?Yes, I'd say that was pretty actuate - although we do sometimes get to travel to exotic locations and party too, which the 2nd graph didn't even include
But looking at the 2nd graph - it would therefore seem totally crazy to only ask others to pay you for the 12.2% part - but yet it's what so many seem to do, when they ask their clients to hire them and just pay them for their time to take the pictures.
So maybe the 1st graph isn't just how 'other people' think photographers spend their time, it's maybe what a lot of photographers think too, which is why they charge a 'day rate' and think that's the right thing to do !!
;-)
Cheers,
Ashley.
ampimage.com
For example, if I hire/employ/pay/reimburse/compensate/etc. a carpenter to come and fit a few (say three) interior doors for me I know it should take no more than one day, at an average day rate for a carpenter of £150+ VAT.
Now, if the carpenter said, well I spent a lot of time and money advertising in the local press, I bought a brand new top of the range Mercedes Sprinter van, I spend a lot of time keeping my books in perfect order (maybe he secretly aspired to be an accountant ;-) ). I also have to chase overdue invoices from trade customers so I charge £250+ VAT a day.
There's a second carpenter who is equally skilled at hanging doors, but he does the minimum amount of book keeping, doesn't advertise, doesn't do any work on account so doesn't have to chase invoices and has a basic van that's a few years old and bought and paid for. He charges a more reasonable day rate of £140 + VAT.
Which one (remember they're both equally skilled, established and available to do the work) would you hire?
True, but the client still has to cover all those expenses. Actually an agency has a lot more overhead the client has to pay for than a single guy operation.
My post was about reliability, not the latest and greatest. It cost more to have reliable gear. Even more to have backup gear. This must be factored in your expenses and covered by your fees.Ah yeah in the same way as someone who doesn't have to latest, newest gear might have a camera malfunction and not complete the job. Then you'll end up paying for someone with latest Nikon D4s or Canon 1Dx, who can get the job done, wasting more of your time... ;-)Well, if by basic van you mean an old rust bucket, chances are the cheap guy might not make it to your place and you'll end up paying the more expensive one who can get the job done, waisting more of your time at the least.For the sake of polite argument, why do you think clients should be expected to pay for the other 87.8%?Yes, I'd say that was pretty actuate - although we do sometimes get to travel to exotic locations and party too, which the 2nd graph didn't even include
But looking at the 2nd graph - it would therefore seem totally crazy to only ask others to pay you for the 12.2% part - but yet it's what so many seem to do, when they ask their clients to hire them and just pay them for their time to take the pictures.
So maybe the 1st graph isn't just how 'other people' think photographers spend their time, it's maybe what a lot of photographers think too, which is why they charge a 'day rate' and think that's the right thing to do !!
;-)
Cheers,
Ashley.
ampimage.com
For example, if I hire/employ/pay/reimburse/compensate/etc. a carpenter to come and fit a few (say three) interior doors for me I know it should take no more than one day, at an average day rate for a carpenter of £150+ VAT.
Now, if the carpenter said, well I spent a lot of time and money advertising in the local press, I bought a brand new top of the range Mercedes Sprinter van, I spend a lot of time keeping my books in perfect order (maybe he secretly aspired to be an accountant ;-) ). I also have to chase overdue invoices from trade customers so I charge £250+ VAT a day.
There's a second carpenter who is equally skilled at hanging doors, but he does the minimum amount of book keeping, doesn't advertise, doesn't do any work on account so doesn't have to chase invoices and has a basic van that's a few years old and bought and paid for. He charges a more reasonable day rate of £140 + VAT.
Which one (remember they're both equally skilled, established and available to do the work) would you hire?
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