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Thanks, didn't see that you actually mentioned OM-d EM10

I hope I can find one locally to take a look at ! I am sure it would easy to use

considering I have an e-pl2

tedolf said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
Hi, actually I have a mirror less micro 4/3 Olympus Pen E-PL2

18mm macro lens ( never really use it )

14-42mm lens for indoor ( sometimes outdoor ) just not enough zoom

when taking pictures of my kids.

& 40-200mm lens ( does OK for outdoors, but not at crisp picture as the 14-42mm )
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Why not just get an E-pm2 and keep your lenses. That camera has a sensor that is as good or better than the DLSRs you are considering and you keep your investment in your lenses.

If you want something more DSLR like, look at the OM-d EM-10.
[B]I believe the crop factor on that camera is 2x **T[/B]his is why I thought to just go with Nikon D5300 ( 14-140mm ) or Canon T5i ( 18-135mm ) seems like I would not have to carry as many lenses around and still get better shots than my Olympus or basis point and shoot camera I have too. [QUOTE="tedolf said:
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something like sony a6000...

good for picture, videos, descent AF and you can get a nice powerzoom (18-105) for video too.

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advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
was thinking about getting the EOS60D body only

and to start with these 2 lens'

Sigma 18-250 lens ( for my daughters sports - in door and out door )

and maybe a Canon 60mm fixed lens ( something 40 to 60 ) everyday use
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The 18-135 is a lot lighter weight than the 18-200 or Sigma 18-250. Exactly what "kit" deals did you find for the 60D?

60D vs OM-D E-M10 is a tough call. I feel that for in-camera JPG the M10 has the advantage, the 60D may be a better choice for RAW. And the 60D is definitely ahead for off-camera flash. For a serious student of photography the 60D is a good stepping stone toward a 5Diii, the M10 is already near the top of the Oly pyramid, as Oly has no full frame models.

Kelly
 
I would get the A6000, it has a superior sensor to all 3 cameras you listed. Best APSC sized sensor out there right now. Fuji is also amazing but more expensive. check out the fuji Xe2. Olympus EM-10 is another option but image quality past ISO 1600 isnt as good as Sony or Fuji. I often shoot at ISO 6400 on my fuji with amazing results.

If you are hell bent on getting a dslr get the D5300 its much better at higher ISO than either Canon.

BTW the Nikon sensors are all manufactured by Sony. Random fact most people dont know.
 
juvx said:
I would get the A6000, it has a superior sensor to all 3 cameras you listed. Best APSC sized sensor out there right now. Fuji is also amazing but more expensive. check out the fuji Xe2. Olympus EM-10 is another option but image quality past ISO 1600 isnt as good as Sony or Fuji. I often shoot at ISO 6400 on my fuji with amazing results.

If you are hell bent on getting a dslr get the D5300 its much better at higher ISO than either Canon.

BTW the Nikon sensors are all manufactured by Sony. Random fact most people dont know.
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Apart from the minor fact that the d3300-7100-5300-5200 sensors are made by Toshiba..........

The Nikon 1 series are made by (cr)aptina

And the d7000-5100-d800-d600 have Sony sensor.

I am not sure about the d3200. I think that was an early 24mp sony
 
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
was thinking about getting the EOS60D body only

and to start with these 2 lens'

Sigma 18-250 lens ( for my daughters sports - in door and out door )

and maybe a Canon 60mm fixed lens ( something 40 to 60 ) everyday use
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That's actually quite an awful kit, in my opinion at least.

The Sigma 18-250 won't handle sports well. It doesn't have the wide aperture needed for indoor sports, and it probably doesn't have the fast autofocus needed for any kind of sports (something all superzoom lenses suffer from, to some degree at least).

60mm with 1.6x crop factor is rarely comfortable / easy to use for "everyday use". It's just too tight.

Get the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM and 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM, nothing else. The 55-250mm still won't be tremendous for indoor sports, but at least it will be significantly better than the 18-250mm. Or, alterntively, just get the 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM (I think it's supposed to be offered in a kit with the 60D) and nothing else, for now.
 
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
was thinking about getting the EOS60D body only

and to start with these 2 lens'

Sigma 18-250 lens ( for my daughters sports - in door and out door )
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Somehow I doubt f/6.3 lens will work for indoor sports. At best, expect very slow and hunting focus never able to focus in time for a moving subject, and very noisy pictures (AND most likely you will hit ISO limiter at any shutter speed able to come even close to freezing motion).

advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
and maybe a Canon 60mm fixed lens ( something 40 to 60 ) everyday use
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It's way too long for everyday use on 60D.
 
I need to see the Fuji in person, doesn't look like it would be for me though.

as I still need decent video and it is somewhat more expensive ( trying to stay at or around $1K )

not sure if the extra several hundred would be worth it over the EM10 ( since I already have len's ) that will work on this.. body only about $649

I am starting to overthink this, might have to just sit back and wait til October-December before making a decision. I am sure any DSLR or the new mirrorless will be a good improvement to what I currently have. ( I hope ) :)

BarnET said:
juvx said:
I would get the A6000, it has a superior sensor to all 3 cameras you listed. Best APSC sized sensor out there right now. Fuji is also amazing but more expensive. check out the fuji Xe2. Olympus EM-10 is another option but image quality past ISO 1600 isnt as good as Sony or Fuji. I often shoot at ISO 6400 on my fuji with amazing results.

If you are hell bent on getting a dslr get the D5300 its much better at higher ISO than either Canon.

BTW the Nikon sensors are all manufactured by Sony. Random fact most people dont know.
Click to expand...
Apart from the minor fact that the d3300-7100-5300-5200 sensors are made by Toshiba..........

The Nikon 1 series are made by (cr)aptina

And the d7000-5100-d800-d600 have Sony sensor.

I am not sure about the d3200. I think that was an early 24mp sony
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I didn't see the EOS 60D with the STM lens , only the regular 18-135mm lens??

just thought about getting the body only and sep. lens's

I think canon only offer the t5i with the 18-135mm stm lens on purpose to sell the t5i

Ido S said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
was thinking about getting the EOS60D body only

and to start with these 2 lens'

Sigma 18-250 lens ( for my daughters sports - in door and out door )

and maybe a Canon 60mm fixed lens ( something 40 to 60 ) everyday use
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That's actually quite an awful kit, in my opinion at least.

The Sigma 18-250 won't handle sports well. It doesn't have the wide aperture needed for indoor sports, and it probably doesn't have the fast autofocus needed for any kind of sports (something all superzoom lenses suffer from, to some degree at least).

60mm with 1.6x crop factor is rarely comfortable / easy to use for "everyday use". It's just too tight.

Get the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM and 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM, nothing else. The 55-250mm still won't be tremendous for indoor sports, but at least it will be significantly better than the 18-250mm. Or, alterntively, just get the 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM (I think it's supposed to be offered in a kit with the 60D) and nothing else, for now.
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thanks,

peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
was thinking about getting the EOS60D body only

and to start with these 2 lens'

Sigma 18-250 lens ( for my daughters sports - in door and out door )
Click to expand...
Somehow I doubt f/6.3 lens will work for indoor sports. At best, expect very slow and hunting focus never able to focus in time for a moving subject, and very noisy pictures (AND most likely you will hit ISO limiter at any shutter speed able to come even close to freezing motion).
peevee1 said:
and maybe a Canon 60mm fixed lens ( something 40 to 60 ) everyday use
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It's way too long for everyday use on 60D.
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advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
I didn't see the EOS 60D with the STM lens , only the regular 18-135mm lens??

just thought about getting the body only and sep. lens's

I think canon only offer the t5i with the 18-135mm stm lens on purpose to sell the t5i
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The 60D predates the 18-135mm STM lens. It came bundled with the older version. Although it makes sense to you and I that Canon should start bundling the 60D with the newer lens, the original SKU was created to include the older lens, and since the 60D is pretty much on clearance, they're probably not going to change the kit contents just because of a newer version of the kit lens.

It will take a newer camera than the 60D to have the STM version of the 18-135mm lens. As you've mentioned, the T5i has it, as does the 70D. There may be others, but those two are the ones I immediately think of.
 
BarnET said:
juvx said:
I would get the A6000, it has a superior sensor to all 3 cameras you listed. Best APSC sized sensor out there right now. Fuji is also amazing but more expensive. check out the fuji Xe2. Olympus EM-10 is another option but image quality past ISO 1600 isnt as good as Sony or Fuji. I often shoot at ISO 6400 on my fuji with amazing results.

If you are hell bent on getting a dslr get the D5300 its much better at higher ISO than either Canon.

BTW the Nikon sensors are all manufactured by Sony. Random fact most people dont know.
Click to expand...
Apart from the minor fact that the d3300-7100-5300-5200 sensors are made by Toshiba..........

The Nikon 1 series are made by (cr)aptina

And the d7000-5100-d800-d600 have Sony sensor.

I am not sure about the d3200. I think that was an early 24mp sony
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Where has this been confirmed about the D5300? Its either Toshiba or Sony either way but i have not seen definite proof anywhere. Can you share a link?
 
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
I need to see the Fuji in person, doesn't look like it would be for me though.

as I still need decent video and it is somewhat more expensive ( trying to stay at or around $1K )

not sure if the extra several hundred would be worth it over the EM10 ( since I already have len's ) that will work on this.. body only about $649

I am starting to overthink this, might have to just sit back and wait til October-December before making a decision. I am sure any DSLR or the new mirrorless will be a good improvement to what I currently have. ( I hope ) :)
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If you want decent video then you need to go Panasonic. The GX7 is micro 4/3 and you can use all your lenses. Great camera.

Sony also has good video.

But yeah you are correct, i would exclude Fuji from anyone looking to do video at all, its pretty bad. lol Its a pure photographers camera.

Since you have the lenses, i would narrow it down to the EM10 and GX7. You'd be very happy with either imo.
 
hi, thanks.

went to local store too look at them today, along with the Olympus OMDM10 ( which they did not have there )

sales guy, said either the 60D with the 18-135 or 18-200

are fine and will take excellent sports in or outdoor pics..

$999 or $1099 (18-200mm ) kit

Would like to see the Olympus before making a final Decision

peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
I didn't see the EOS 60D with the STM lens , only the regular 18-135mm lens??
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I don't think there ever were kits 60D+18-135 STM. 60D is superseded by 70D, and this one have STM lens in kit.
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is the STM worth getting if I end up with a Canon ??

t5i Kit I guess ?

PalmettoFellow said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
I didn't see the EOS 60D with the STM lens , only the regular 18-135mm lens??

just thought about getting the body only and sep. lens's

I think canon only offer the t5i with the 18-135mm stm lens on purpose to sell the t5i
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The 60D predates the 18-135mm STM lens. It came bundled with the older version. Although it makes sense to you and I that Canon should start bundling the 60D with the newer lens, the original SKU was created to include the older lens, and since the 60D is pretty much on clearance, they're probably not going to change the kit contents just because of a newer version of the kit lens.

It will take a newer camera than the 60D to have the STM version of the 18-135mm lens. As you've mentioned, the T5i has it, as does the 70D. There may be others, but those two are the ones I immediately think of.
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advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
hi, thanks.

went to local store too look at them today, along with the Olympus OMDM10 ( which they did not have there )

sales guy, said either the 60D with the 18-135 or 18-200

are fine and will take excellent sports in or outdoor pics..

$999 or $1099 (18-200mm ) kit

Would like to see the Olympus before making a final Decision
peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
I didn't see the EOS 60D with the STM lens , only the regular 18-135mm lens??
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I don't think there ever were kits 60D+18-135 STM. 60D is superseded by 70D, and this one have STM lens in kit.
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E-M10 is not very good for sports, AF-C+tracking is slowish, you will need to learn to prefocus.

135 might be too short for most sports also. 200 - sure, enough on 60D except for extreme cases. But f/5.6 on 60D is too dark, autoISO maximum is 6400 and you will hit it in a typical gym at something like 1/200s (could be less in darker gyms) which is not enough to freeze motion. You can of course set ISO 12,800 manually, but don't expect good quality (low noise etc), and shutter speed is not going to be fast even with that. Also, with manual ISO even when you don't need high shutter speed (when your subject is stationary for a second), you'll still get this low quality of ISO 12800.

Also, there are quite a few 18-200 lenses, I am not sure which one your store offers, but I am sure not all of them are fast. Is it Canon EF-S 18-200 IS? The reviews for its AF are not the best, it is neither USM no STM.

Basically, you'll want 70-200/2.8 USM very soon.
 
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While the STM is "better", it does not follow that the 60D era 18-135 must be "hopeless". There are plenty of sample images with the old lens that you can check for yourself -

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www.dpreview.com

Personally I would rather have the 60D with the old 18-135 than the T5i with the STM. But I have an easier time replacing lenses than bodies. Your habits may turn out different.

Kelly
 
Hi, thanks

the 18-200mm is the IS model. for the 60D Kit
what makes the the 55-250 or 70-200mm better ???

what am I or should I look for ??

**Also, the Gym indoor and outdoor Sports my daughters are in

mostly Cheer and Dance competitions / some Golf and Soccer

some Video and some Photo's

**

everything else will be for daily use, vacations, etc...

peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
hi, thanks.

went to local store too look at them today, along with the Olympus OMDM10 ( which they did not have there )

sales guy, said either the 60D with the 18-135 or 18-200

are fine and will take excellent sports in or outdoor pics..

$999 or $1099 (18-200mm ) kit

Would like to see the Olympus before making a final Decision
peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
I didn't see the EOS 60D with the STM lens , only the regular 18-135mm lens??
Click to expand...
I don't think there ever were kits 60D+18-135 STM. 60D is superseded by 70D, and this one have STM lens in kit.
Click to expand...
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E-M10 is not very good for sports, AF-C+tracking is slowish, you will need to learn to prefocus.

135 might be too short for most sports also. 200 - sure, enough on 60D except for extreme cases. But f/5.6 on 60D is too dark, autoISO maximum is 6400 and you will hit it in a typical gym at something like 1/200s (could be less in darker gyms) which is not enough to freeze motion. You can of course set ISO 12,800 manually, but don't expect good quality (low noise etc), and shutter speed is not going to be fast even with that. Also, with manual ISO even when you don't need high shutter speed (when your subject is stationary for a second), you'll still get this low quality of ISO 12800.

Also, there are quite a few 18-200 lenses, I am not sure which one your store offers, but I am sure not all of them are fast. Is it Canon EF-S 18-200 IS? The reviews for its AF are not the best, it is neither USM no STM.

Basically, you'll want 70-200/2.8 USM very soon.
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advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
Hi, thanks

the 18-200mm is the IS model. for the 60D Kit
what makes the the 55-250 or 70-200mm better ???

what am I or should I look for ??

**Also, the Gym indoor and outdoor Sports my daughters are in

mostly Cheer and Dance competitions / some Golf and Soccer

some Video and some Photo's

**

everything else will be for daily use, vacations, etc...
peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
hi, thanks.

went to local store too look at them today, along with the Olympus OMDM10 ( which they did not have there )

sales guy, said either the 60D with the 18-135 or 18-200

are fine and will take excellent sports in or outdoor pics..

$999 or $1099 (18-200mm ) kit

Would like to see the Olympus before making a final Decision
peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
I didn't see the EOS 60D with the STM lens , only the regular 18-135mm lens??
Click to expand...
I don't think there ever were kits 60D+18-135 STM. 60D is superseded by 70D, and this one have STM lens in kit.
Click to expand...
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E-M10 is not very good for sports, AF-C+tracking is slowish, you will need to learn to prefocus.

135 might be too short for most sports also. 200 - sure, enough on 60D except for extreme cases. But f/5.6 on 60D is too dark, autoISO maximum is 6400 and you will hit it in a typical gym at something like 1/200s (could be less in darker gyms) which is not enough to freeze motion. You can of course set ISO 12,800 manually, but don't expect good quality (low noise etc), and shutter speed is not going to be fast even with that. Also, with manual ISO even when you don't need high shutter speed (when your subject is stationary for a second), you'll still get this low quality of ISO 12800.

Also, there are quite a few 18-200 lenses, I am not sure which one your store offers, but I am sure not all of them are fast. Is it Canon EF-S 18-200 IS? The reviews for its AF are not the best, it is neither USM no STM.

Basically, you'll want 70-200/2.8 USM very soon.
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look at the Olympus E-m1 body. It is about the same price, has good tracking PDAF and will let you keep your current lenses.

TEdolph
 
tedolf said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
Hi, thanks

the 18-200mm is the IS model. for the 60D Kit
what makes the the 55-250 or 70-200mm better ???

what am I or should I look for ??

**Also, the Gym indoor and outdoor Sports my daughters are in

mostly Cheer and Dance competitions / some Golf and Soccer

some Video and some Photo's

**

everything else will be for daily use, vacations, etc...
peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
hi, thanks.

went to local store too look at them today, along with the Olympus OMDM10 ( which they did not have there )

sales guy, said either the 60D with the 18-135 or 18-200

are fine and will take excellent sports in or outdoor pics..

$999 or $1099 (18-200mm ) kit

Would like to see the Olympus before making a final Decision
peevee1 said:
advise needed moving up from micro 43 to dslr said:
I didn't see the EOS 60D with the STM lens , only the regular 18-135mm lens??
Click to expand...
I don't think there ever were kits 60D+18-135 STM. 60D is superseded by 70D, and this one have STM lens in kit.
Click to expand...
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E-M10 is not very good for sports, AF-C+tracking is slowish, you will need to learn to prefocus.

135 might be too short for most sports also. 200 - sure, enough on 60D except for extreme cases. But f/5.6 on 60D is too dark, autoISO maximum is 6400 and you will hit it in a typical gym at something like 1/200s (could be less in darker gyms) which is not enough to freeze motion. You can of course set ISO 12,800 manually, but don't expect good quality (low noise etc), and shutter speed is not going to be fast even with that. Also, with manual ISO even when you don't need high shutter speed (when your subject is stationary for a second), you'll still get this low quality of ISO 12800.

Also, there are quite a few 18-200 lenses, I am not sure which one your store offers, but I am sure not all of them are fast. Is it Canon EF-S 18-200 IS? The reviews for its AF are not the best, it is neither USM no STM.

Basically, you'll want 70-200/2.8 USM very soon.
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look at the Olympus E-m1 body. It is about the same price, has good tracking PDAF and will let you keep your current lenses.

TEdolph
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E-M10 or E-M1 ( doesn't the E-M10 also use the same lenses ) ??
 
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