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Nikon NOOOOOOOO!
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nearly-an-old-codger
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I've owed D200, D300, D700 in the past.
Currently own a D800e (from new) and a refurb D5200.
Plus more than a few primes and zooms plus a flash system built around the SU800.
I am also using as my main travel kit a Fuji X-E2 and more than a few (mainly prime) lenses.
If/when Nikon start to really run out of gas, I'll liquidate my Nikon stuff (or run it into the ground) then go elsewhere.
Ok, I'll loose money on my total expenditure over the years (but I've sure as heck enjoyed using it) however there will be some useful cash to start a new system with the best provider of the day. I'm not a pro but have earned some money over the years from my kit. I also agree that I'm fortunate to be able to buy more gear if I want to.
My Nikon kit is a useful tool but I'm not emotionally wedded to it.
Just my 2 cents.
Brian
on edit Yes I do want a new current state of art pro DX body and appropriate prime lenses. Only got the D5200 and Fuji gear as a stop gap.
Currently own a D800e (from new) and a refurb D5200.
Plus more than a few primes and zooms plus a flash system built around the SU800.
I am also using as my main travel kit a Fuji X-E2 and more than a few (mainly prime) lenses.
If/when Nikon start to really run out of gas, I'll liquidate my Nikon stuff (or run it into the ground) then go elsewhere.
Ok, I'll loose money on my total expenditure over the years (but I've sure as heck enjoyed using it) however there will be some useful cash to start a new system with the best provider of the day. I'm not a pro but have earned some money over the years from my kit. I also agree that I'm fortunate to be able to buy more gear if I want to.
My Nikon kit is a useful tool but I'm not emotionally wedded to it.
Just my 2 cents.
Brian
on edit Yes I do want a new current state of art pro DX body and appropriate prime lenses. Only got the D5200 and Fuji gear as a stop gap.
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arachnophilia
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i guess i just don't feel like giving them money for cameras that aren't quite what i want...
Kerry Pierce
Veteran Member
I feel the same. I bought all of my latest Nikons at a very substantial discount, or I wouldn't have made the purchase. Of course, Nikon didn't make any money on the used equipment that I've purchased.
Kerry
I have kept my Nikon gear (seven lenses, a D300, and an F100) and bought a Fuji XE-2 (APS-C) and five of their lenses, mainly zooms, on their big spring sale. (Read a review of the Fuji 10-24mm!) Fuji is bringing out a long zoom lens within a year, probably out to 400mm. Nikon may bring out a D9300/D400 and has a great new 80-400mm. (I need something for birds, 400mm on an FX sensor won't do it, and I will neither buy nor carry a 600mm lens. The specs of the third-party long zooms don't satisfy me.)
I have become emotionally detached from camera companies although I've had Nikon gear for 20 years. Whichever of these two firms meets my needs, I will keep. If neither, I'll likely buy Sony or maybe some other brand. Life is easier this way. Cameras and lenses are just tools.
I have become emotionally detached from camera companies although I've had Nikon gear for 20 years. Whichever of these two firms meets my needs, I will keep. If neither, I'll likely buy Sony or maybe some other brand. Life is easier this way. Cameras and lenses are just tools.
OceanFroggie
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End of DX does not seem to tally with the reality of Nikon's actions
- 12 DX camera bodies launched since 2009
- 8 FX camera bodies launched since 2009
Geomaticsman
Veteran Member
Indeed, but if this speculation is true and Canon release their 7DII w/"1D quality" as rumoured, that, coupled with Canon's EXISTING supertele selection and the fact that Nikon jettisoned CNX2 means it's the end of Nikon for me.
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Gary -- Some Nikon stuff -- and a preference for wildlife in natural light
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We may have different shooting habits, but nonetheless reach the same conclusion. My photography is 95% with the 300 f2.8 VR handheld and 500 f4 (mostly with TC-14E) on the tripod on DX. Quite frankly I can't see improving that by using the TC-14E all of the time with the 300mm on FX and replacing the 500mm with a 600mm (and cropping). Oh, and there's no 600mm FL VR from Nikon yet anyway. Since I'll need to use Adobe anyway all I need is the right APS-C camera to go Canon.
From experience, you can not replace DX for such use. I tried with the D800 and it does not work. The TC negates the advantages of FX to near zero. Add the stronger vignetting and I dare say DX is better at low light than FX + 1.4TC.
I still hope Nikon will give us a decent DX camera. Maybe next spring, as this new FX is priced above the old D300 price point. And there is a huge gap between the D7100 and this new camera only filled by the D610 at the moment. So I can easily see them doing a DX version of that FX camera early next year to fill this gap.
I still hope Nikon will give us a decent DX camera. Maybe next spring, as this new FX is priced above the old D300 price point. And there is a huge gap between the D7100 and this new camera only filled by the D610 at the moment. So I can easily see them doing a DX version of that FX camera early next year to fill this gap.
gftphoto
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And Fujifilm coming on strong with the X system--they have some beautiful lenses.
redhed17
Veteran Member
The thing about talking about gaps in the price structure of Nikon cameras (or any manufacturer of cameras) is that the prices are coming down all the time. And the more often they bring out a new camera, the quicker the previous model depreciates. And the quicker they have to discount to make sure they don't have stock left for the next model.
Ironically the D300S kept its value pretty well because it was not replaced, either with a 'D400' or a D7*** that was good enough to better it in every way for a lot of people. It's combination of build and feature set was valued.
The more often they update a previous model, often with a minor update, the quicker it significantly devalues the previous model. People are now knowledgeable enough to either wait for the lowering of the release price, or they will pick up a 2nd hand previous model from an early adopter of the new version. That is of course if they stick with Nikon. ;-) Brand loyalty is not what it was, but I don't think Nikon realise that.
Retzius
Leading Member
Photokina is the break point for me. No D400 and I will sell my Nikon gear and move one.
I will check out the 7DII, but I must say the Sony A77 MkII is amazing for the money.
The A77 MkII with the 16-50 and the 70-400 would make a killer kit. I had the chance to try it a few weeks ago and it was pretty darn awesome.
nearly-an-old-codger
Veteran Member
Yes they do and I am using them right now. (I'm also a 'should be locked up' Nikon customer).
What pmo with Nikon is that they have proved with the V series that they can do small sensor very well and integrate it with (some small loss of function) their DSLR lenses very well.
Why not launch a dx or fx mirrorless camera with a great adaptor (for 'legacy' lenses) together with a new line of mirrorless lenses.
IMHO this will save them.
I would dump Fuji in a heart beat and buy into that. Provided it also supported the flash system!
Brian
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jcvjcvjcvjcv
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Since Canon doesn't have a fast long lens for their crop cameras either there is probably some good reason for their non-existance.
Also; all the 'loss' in tele by going DX > FX is exactly the same that you won when going from 35mm film to DX. The loss in wide-angle was compensated by the release of the 12-24 DX (2003), 17-55 f2.8 DX (2003) and 10.5mm fisheye (2003)
jcvjcvjcvjcv
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starman1969
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The D400 rumour is dead. Long live FX.
35mm was always 35mm, until that crappy APS system came along (Film).
35mm was always 35mm, until that crappy APS system came along (Film).
altair8800
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medium format was always medium format (Film), until that crappy 35mm system came along (Film). Long live DX. With D400, or 7DII.
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OceanFroggie
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They do offer a great DX lens range for 'amateur' and leisure segments which is the bulk of the target market, not the small number of pros and dedicated hobby enthusiasts who blog. Just ordinary non-techie folk who take personal leisure photos.
Agree the D400 rumour is dead, there is no significant market for it (ie small number of dedicated enthusiasts). As to FX, horses for courses, there is the sizeable market for 'amateurs' who nikon know will not lug around heavy full frame paper weights.
I started with 35mm film in 1975 and find it technically strange that digital SLR bodies are still handicapped by the throw back to that nostalgic era.
Less is more
pavi1
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That is exactly what the highly paid pros do in the same situation. Don't let the guys who get the perfect shot every time with one press of the shutter fool you. They are better critics than photographers.
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