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D810 / Adobe LR 5.6 posterization issue
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Mikael Risedal
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so what kind of print profile do you use, and are you letting Photoshop doing the conversion from Prophoto and to your print profile ( and hopefully not the printer handling the conversion).
and to clarify, I have also got posterization issue from my d800, but none can be seen in a print, only at monitor level and which can be solved with conversion as i described earlier
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Mikael Risedal
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well I have a really bad monitor, new Eizo prepress and have been working with color flow since the first scanners came, probably before you even heard about digital pictures, as I said before, the problems is not unknown, and often miss march between profiles
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Simon Garrett
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Simon Garrett
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I fully agree with that, but I don't think it's the problem here.
Oh come on. I think you're alone with your views here, as about everyone else do recognise where the problem is!
I try to be as clear as possible:
Sometimes with certain photos a slight banding effect visible on Photoshop will indeed diminish after conversion from working space like 16-bit AdobeRGB to output space like 8-bit sRGB.
In the case of the ACR 8.6 and D810, this does is not the case! It is the choice of camera profile that is the root of the problem! It doesn't go away after converting to final output color space if that is you ment!
If it was problem with monitor profiles or bad monitor, then this should be visible with other camera's raw files too when using more contrasty camera profiles. This is not the case. It is just some D810 NEF files with smooth gradients used together with certain ACR camera profiles (which are broken).
I try to be as clear as possible:
Sometimes with certain photos a slight banding effect visible on Photoshop will indeed diminish after conversion from working space like 16-bit AdobeRGB to output space like 8-bit sRGB.
In the case of the ACR 8.6 and D810, this does is not the case! It is the choice of camera profile that is the root of the problem! It doesn't go away after converting to final output color space if that is you ment!
If it was problem with monitor profiles or bad monitor, then this should be visible with other camera's raw files too when using more contrasty camera profiles. This is not the case. It is just some D810 NEF files with smooth gradients used together with certain ACR camera profiles (which are broken).
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Mikael Risedal
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Mikael Risedal
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show me what you mean
Mikael Risedal
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digital ed
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As a Swede myself you are showing how hard headed we can be.
I think the photos by the OP are enough to demonstrate this. If you understood what many were saying to you in the first place anyway.
However, it happens on many D810 images fe. with smooth gradients on out of focus areas. Just select the Camera Standard or Camera Vivid in ACR 8.6
This posterization or banding won't go after conversion from 16-bit to 8-bit sRGB. No need to mess with printing to show this especially if intented output format is a digital file.
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Simon Garrett
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I think what he basically means is that after conversion to output color space (digital or print) the banding effects should disappear as color space then matches the intended use instead of wider working space in Photoshop.
Sometimes it really does, yes, but IT IS NOT THE CASE HERE. It will not help with the D810 and these broken profiles!
My custom profile don't show any posterization or banding while in working or output space. Neither does "Adobe Standard" or "Camera Neutral". Also (much lesser) with D800 files or with any of the A7R profiles (even the most contrasty).
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digital ed
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I opened the original NEF in LightRoom. Applied Camera Standard. No other corrections and the posterization is seen. Then Photo Edit In PhotoShop CC 2014. In Photoshop no corrections. Saved to JPG to be able to upload to DPR. I still see it in the JPG.Robin Casady said:
NEF to LR to PS to JPG
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I assume that if this were just a problem of displaying 16-bit image with wide colorspace on a 8-bit display, then the banding should have disappeared after conversion to jpg.
One weird thing I noticed with one of my photos (ISO 7000) showing the problem was that color noise reduction affects the posterization effect somehow too (with these problematic profiles).
If color noise reduction is set to zero, then the banding effect seems to disappear, but if I set it to anything higher then this posterization effect reappers. Weird.
One weird thing I noticed with one of my photos (ISO 7000) showing the problem was that color noise reduction affects the posterization effect somehow too (with these problematic profiles).
If color noise reduction is set to zero, then the banding effect seems to disappear, but if I set it to anything higher then this posterization effect reappers. Weird.
Mikael Risedal
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did a check with the same raw file and Nikons NXD and the posterization is there as well as in CR
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Canon, Hasselblad, Leica, Nikon, Linhoff, Sinar,Zeiss, Phantom 2+
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digital ed
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Mikael Risedal
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I will return, I have just got my d810 and are comparing the new camera with my old d800 and this will also include shooting blue sky etc and compare the different profiles and also a generated ones with www.qpcard.com color card and software
as I said, I can se posterization also in Nikons software in the blue sky up to the left
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digital ed
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I again, in CNX-D, opened the NEF file I downloaded from the OP's DropBox. I carefully looked at the blue sky at the upper left and do not see posterization. I am not disagreeing that you see it, only that on my system with the OP's NEF file I do not see it.
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