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Photo Rumors (Nikon Rumors fraternal twin) has a post that the Canon 7D has been marked as discontinued at Amazon. This may (hopefully does) signify that a 7D MkII may be announced at Photokina, and if so, that the mythical D400 may appear in the guise of a D9300. Keep those fingers crossed!
 
That would be positive sign for the 7D MII, which is 99% likely to be announced between now and September. I think it would take more than crossed fingers for the Nikon equivalent to appear. Based on what I have read, Nikon seems to think the future of DX is mirror less, I don't know, maybe they are right. I think it’s unlikely we will see a D400 or a D9300 Pro DX DSLR camera from Nikon. They may release a D7200 with a better buffer, but it won't have the complete build and feature set many of us would like to see in Pro DX.
 
hflavo said:
Photo Rumors (Nikon Rumors fraternal twin) has a post that the Canon 7D has been marked as discontinued at Amazon. This may (hopefully does) signify that a 7D MkII may be announced at Photokina, and if so, that the mythical D400 may appear in the guise of a D9300. Keep those fingers crossed!
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For those of you that switch on the 7DII, I look forward to your usual excellent work on the Canon side, will go on that forum and view occasionally.

Good Luck!

;-)
 
I agree. Unfortunately, I believe Nikon has indeed abandoned the high-end Pro-Sumer DX body line, so I do not believe that there will ever be a D400. Agree that a D9300 might be released and get us closer to what most want in a D400, but it will not be the true successor to the D300/300s feature and build wise.
 
westcoasthd said:
That would be positive sign for the 7D MII, which is 99% likely to be announced between now and September. I think it would take more than crossed fingers for the Nikon equivalent to appear. Based on what I have read, Nikon seems to think the future of DX is mirror less, I don't know, maybe they are right. I think it’s unlikely we will see a D400 or a D9300 Pro DX DSLR camera from Nikon. They may release a D7200 with a better buffer, but it won't have the complete build and feature set many of us would like to see in Pro DX.
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Agree it will not have all the build and features we all want, but a high frame rate, as good/better high ISO as the D7000/D7100, a large buffer, an "on" button, and a FAST, FAST autofocus capture would do it for me, even if in a "consumer-styled" body.
 
Is it just me or does this rumor seem weird ? Why only discontinued at Amazon ? I dont see how this might indicate the imminent arrival of the 7D Mark II . Why didnt something similar happen with the 60D vis-a-vis the 70D or the 5D Mark II vis-a-vis the 5D Mark III ?
 
DaytonR said:
Is it just me or does this rumor seem weird ? Why only discontinued at Amazon ? I dont see how this might indicate the imminent arrival of the 7D Mark II . Why didnt something similar happen with the 60D vis-a-vis the 70D or the 5D Mark II vis-a-vis the 5D Mark III ?
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Perfectly good question, and none of us are in a position to know. Here is a speculation on my part, based in good part on the writings Thom Hogan has been doing, and partly on my past life as a marketing executive.

The market has slumped so severely that both Canon and Nikon have been caught in their last few introductions with too much old stock in the channel. Both companies are also seeing profit declines which makes them extremely sensitive to financial issues. Old inventory in the channels equals discounted margins on the old, and to some degree lost sales of the new. Their goal, of course would be to run out at the end of August and have new product arriving in the channels in September, but nobody can predict quite that accurately, especially in these times. So they may very well have taken a very conservative position, figuring it was better to run out early this time than end up with more surplus stock of the 7D. As for Amazon being alone....one chain or another usually is uncovered with the first sign of discontinuance, and then shortly evidence that others are doing the same thing arrives. Amazon is very lean with inventrory and has perfected "just in time" inventory levels, so they may well be the first in this case.

As I said, just speculation on my part. But it would answer many of your questions.

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JimPearce said:
I'm concerned with function, not the aesthetics of the body. Likely with the new carbon fiber reinforced plastics a consumer body can be a strong as the pro bodies.
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fishywisht said:
Google search says D5300 has it.
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That's a good sign then. I see that the D5100 weights 560g, the D5200 weights 505g, and the D5300 weights 480g. I am curious to see how this compares to a metal body like the D200/D300 series.

If the results are good and they can afford to do it with the inexpensive D5300, maybe they will do it also for the top of the line DX, whatever that ends up being called.

Maybe a carbon fiber reinforced body in the D7200 along with the other D300 like features won't be so bad after all.


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n057 said:
fishywisht said:
Google search says D5300 has it.
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That's a good sign then. I see that the D5100 weights 560g, the D5200 weights 505g, and the D5300 weights 480g. I am curious to see how this compares to a metal body like the D200/D300 series.
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Better to compare it with Nikon's initial entry level DSLRs that also had no AF motors. According to DPReview's published spec's and reviews the D40 and D40x both weighed slightly less than the D5300 without battery, 471g. The D200 without battery was 830g and the D300 was 825g.
 
hflavo said:
The market has slumped so severely that both Canon and Nikon have been caught in their last few introductions with too much old stock in the channel. Both companies are also seeing profit declines which makes them extremely sensitive to financial issues. Old inventory in the channels equals discounted margins on the old, and to some degree lost sales of the new. Their goal, of course would be to run out at the end of August and have new product arriving in the channels in September, but nobody can predict quite that accurately, especially in these times. So they may very well have taken a very conservative position, figuring it was better to run out early this time than end up with more surplus stock of the 7D. As for Amazon being alone....one chain or another usually is uncovered with the first sign of discontinuance, and then shortly evidence that others are doing the same thing arrives. Amazon is very lean with inventrory and has perfected "just in time" inventory levels, so they may well be the first in this case.

As I said, just speculation on my part. But it would answer many of your questions.
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That appears to be a very good answer, very logical. B&H etc are camera sellers, they will obviously have stock. Amazon on the other hand, is an everything seller. They would be silly to hold heavy stock of specialist items, like DSLR's, particularly old ones New D810 etc are a different matter. They will stock because those will sell out. But old inventory olds up cashflow for no good reason.

On the why not the others like 5DII as well, as you say, companies learn lessons and even more than two years ago, the competition, REAL competition form Fuji and Sony and Pentax, is there in these camera levels.

So likely Canon and Nikon are going to pull down inventory on older and even medium stock, more than before.

Product life cycles for such as D610 / 6D / 70D / D7100 are going to shorten compared to the old cycles.

Why?? Competition. And shorter product cycles mean lower inventory levels.

Yes, my speculation also, but really, who in their right mind is going to keep a huge stock of an item that will be *marketably obsolete* (words chosen carefully ;-) ) , in a short time due to competition?

Cheers
 
Not exactly related, but today at Sam's Club, I walked down the camera aisle and saw they had 3 HUGE pallets filled full with Nikon D3200s, D3300, and D5200s... all selling for about the same price. Like within $50 or so of each other in their respective kits... in the $750 range.
 
virtualkyr said:
Not exactly related, but today at Sam's Club, I walked down the camera aisle and saw they had 3 HUGE pallets filled full with Nikon D3200s, D3300, and D5200s... all selling for about the same price. Like within $50 or so of each other in their respective kits... in the $750 range.

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Wow... great for photographers, especially those cash strapped or students.

But it goes to show, these items are fast become very short product cycle.

I even suspect that such as the 6D and D610 will be considered 'old' this time next year.

It is caused by the huge competition available now, hence why I think Nikon and Canon have to stop the 'iteration of features by model' thing.

It appears that Nikon has done this with the D810, if the early reports on how good its AF appears to be are accurate.

In todays world, they have to compete to survive.

I also saw reference on the FF forum, to Nikon possibly focusing on medical instruments in the future.

Reality is, that is guaranteed income and a guaranteed growth area, whereas cameras is a competitive world now.

Maybe, as one individual inferred, Sony will buy the Nikon camera division at some point.
 
ImageAmateur said:
Maybe, as one individual inferred, Sony will buy the Nikon camera division at some point.
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If they do, look forward to a new mount every three years making every previous generation of cameras and lenses obsolete as Sony chase the printer & cartridges type of markup and mobile phone product cycle.
 
fishywisht said:
ImageAmateur said:
Maybe, as one individual inferred, Sony will buy the Nikon camera division at some point.
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If they do, look forward to a new mount every three years making every previous generation of cameras and lenses obsolete as Sony chase the printer & cartridges type of markup and mobile phone product cycle.
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A possible if unfortunate outcome. The thing is, it is all about sales and profits. So, you may be on the ball there.

IF I did not shoot sports, I would probably already be an 'adapter' man... one or two mirrorless cameras (for manual focus accuracy) and a bunch of old lenses and some adapters for them to the cameras... ;-)

That avoids the dependence (to an extent) on what the manufacturers issue.

The Sony A7 series is very attractive for that, with all of the wonderful Minolta, Pentax K, Nikkor, Olympus OM, Contax and Canon lenses out there, most available for a song in fairly good condition.

And the A7 now has them 'native' to their intended focal lengths.

Thinking about it, the only expensive thing there is the cameras, then one has a huge assortment of lenses to choose from, at great prices.

So yes, the camera business now has two ways to pan out. One, the consumer electronics churn, which it already is to an extent. Secondly, the old 'camera' buff way of expensive and high quality precision instruments, lower volume, which some seem to be expecting.

Or maybe such as Canon and Nikon will focus on both, a two pronged approach, The 'elite' stuff and then the 'churn outs'.

I think that is the most likely approach. After all, they still have to satisfy the weddings, pro sports and events, fashion and glamour and product advertising etc photographers. That will be the elite market.
 
Yeah, no doubt there is serious stock dumping going on. Last time I was in Best Buy, they had rows of boxes as well for sale, and still had the 3100, 3200, and 3300 on the shelf along with the 5200, 5300, 7000, 7100, D610, and D800. Talk about consumer confusion. I actually had to help some people in there more than once!

Speaking of the Sony A7, a friend of mine in Nashville was able to actually negotiate with Best Buy managers and got a brand new Sony A7s for $2,250. He then applied for a Best Buy CC and will get the 10% back on top of that, which pays for taxes.

Apparently they will match Ebay prices, as someone was selling a brand new A7S for $2250 online.

He's filming a wedding with it in Washington DC this weekend and I'm looking forward to seeing the results with it and an adapter for his canon lenses. We film a lot of weddings together. I'd be there with him, but I'm doing 2 myself in Alabama this weekend.
 
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