1Ds is a joke

Roark,

I think Canon or Nikon bashing is silly, and both are giving each other competitions which can only benefits the consumers.

I have experiences with both, and it is obvious that you are either getting a faulty EOS-1Ds or perhaps being a Nikon fanatics, you forgot how to operate the EOS-1Ds properly?

Sincerely
Jaw

I pop over here to the Canon forum every now and then for a laugh at some of the pathetic people here.

Anyone who dares to share an opinion that a Canon camera isn't what they expected or wanted gets a string of insults thrown at them. The originator of this thread was airing his opinion that the 1Ds wasn't what he was wanting in a camera that should be the best possible DSLR (for the price). This camera is so expensive that most people expect perfection in every department. The reality is that this isn't so. The camera has its fair share of problems.

The world isn't full of Canon users who are blindly devoted to the make. There are actually people out there who find other manufacturers that produce products more suited to their needs. If this offends people here they need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Now i'll be insulted and called TROLL;-) You know what...it don't matter.

Rob

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Go the whole hog....go 4/3 SCCD 4

You must be kidding...

Don't tell me that you sold your cam beacuse you can't snap a picture on the moment you turn it on!!

I need thos 2 secconde to adjust myyself to camera view window and focus and point the camera to my subject...

You are really fooling your self that you have to make a instant photo for when you turn it on....

And watching the photo's after you shoot and it is still writing...

I only watch the photo's beacuse i want to have a perfect exposure, so i watch my histogram. I never can keep up watching 7 photo's and check them all.
What's the need to watch the 7 photo's instantly?

When i shoot my photo's, i know for how they look. I don't need to watch after i shoot, i never could with my eos30

so, i gues, you have to learn to shoot photo's first before you start to compare and complain about really nothing!!

Sokolum.

Roark said:

Just sold my Canon 1Ds.

It was a joke.

The AF was the pits. Sure, it was "fast," but far from accurate -
especially in AI SERVO mode. I was taking pictures of my gf
bowling and she was rarely in focus. The AF was continually
jumping in and out of focus, and I kept the AF sensor on her at all
times.

The operational is a joke as well. I turn on the camera, and
depending on how many pics is on the CF card, it takes about 1-2
seconds to become usable.

If I decide to review my pics, I have to wait until the buffer is
completely flushed to even look at them.

The overall usability speed of the camera was no better than the 10D.

The three-finger ISO change is a joke as well.

I'm sorry but the Nikon D1 series has the Canon 1D and 1Ds beat in
the usability area.

Just for good measure, the 1Ds had outstanding colour and
resolution that the Nikon could never touch (at the time of this
article.)

I'm very familiar with the Canons and Nikons. This isn't a human
error thing.

I feel that the Nikon AF system is better as far as keeping the
subject in focus and not losing it all the time and trying to
readjust.

I also felt that the high ISO images from the 1Ds were a joke as
well. When you zoom in 100% all I would see is blotches of red and
green. Even at ISO 400 this was prevelant.

Sorry to bash the 1Ds so much, but for $8000 this camera is a piece
of s* .

Compare that to a Nikon D1X which has instant operation speed, from
viewing files, to turning on, to deleting and has a better AF
system - I don't even know why I bothered buying the 1Ds.

No, this isn't a troll.

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Roark said:

because who they're coming from holds no value to me one way or the
other.

But to answer your questin, it was shot at ISO 1250 and it is a
100% crop of the original -- so that goes to say when I cropped the
image, the EXIF data was lost and the composition was out the
window.

I used CaptureOne DSLR as my raw convetor.

Thanks much,
Roark

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Obviously you just don't get why some of us are so a strongly opposed to your motif and complains. You show us a image that's taking on the highest ISO setting for the 1Ds. It's shot under poor lighting condition and you crop 100% out of the already not so good quality image. You throw it at us to show that you are indeed right that the 1Ds is a junk.

I believe cameras are just a tool and as long as you are comfortable and able to use it for its potential and we are just here to create or capture the best image we can. It's up to you the photographer to create the image. But if you don't have the eye or talent no matter how good the camera, wether it will shoot with no noise at ISO 12800, it's not going to save you. You can complain about how terrible the camera is and in this case many of us who are full time professionals and has been using the 1Ds and the 1D for a long time will disagree with you.

1Ds is a very complex camera. It took me a couple of months to get used and learn it's capabilities. Even though I am very fimilar with the 1D for 1.5 years now, I had to go through the instruction book of the 1Ds. The 1D and 1Ds looks exactly the same exteriorly and with the same button layout, they are still two very different machines. I can understand being very frustrated in coming from using the Nikons. I feel the same when ever I get to play with my friend's Nikons. It feels like switching from driving on the right side to driving in England, where they drive on the left.

We don't like to see someone, who without spending much time on this very sophisticated camera and expect the camera to take a perfect shot for you, even when it's under poor shooting situations. Why did you have to shoot at ISO 1250? It's not like you absolutely had to. Everyone shooting digital knows that when ever possible shoot at the lowest ISO.

Shooting at high ISO film you have to deal with the same problem. You will get fantastic results only if you expose it correctly and very careful in the processing. You can certainly make the shot look to grainy if you push the film too much. Similar idea with digital. 1Ds is not designed specific for this purpose (shooting at 1250 and that's why it doesn't even have 3200). But if you spend a little bit of time to set your parameter, custom set your color temperature and twitch it in what ever software you are using you will have much much better results then the one you posted. It's too bad that you didn't take the right route and only using your energy and without thought in venting your frustration. Buying a $8000 camera wasn't going to solve all your problems.

As a professional photographer you and I know that it's not that simple. I'm sure you can come up with a crappy sample even if you spent $25,000 on a top of the line medium format digital back. If it was so easy for the camera to do it for us then every person with a camera can claim that they are a "photographer."

There are no perfect cameras, digital or film and we only choose to use the best that suits our needs. Granted the 1Ds is not for you. But bashing any camera even if you bought a disposable camera because you didn't know how to properly use it will not get any sympathy from me.

He's not kidding, he's just ......... Check his profile. He joined the forum less than a week ago. Every post troll bait.

Sokolum said:

You must be kidding...

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Donald Cooper said:

He's not kidding, he's just ......... Check his profile. He joined
the forum less than a week ago. Every post troll bait.

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You are right why do we waste our time with this dummy?

Donald Cooper said:

He's not kidding, he's just ......... Check his profile. He joined
the forum less than a week ago. Every post troll bait.

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Thank God he's selling all his camera equipment.

Roark said:

because who they're coming from holds no value to me one way or the
other.

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But they insult me, and probably others. I can not understand why we should speak to each other that way.

My problem with the original image is not the noise and blotches, it just seems very soft. Noise and blotches can be handled while post processing, here is a result of very simple noise supressing technic:



Hope you do not mind. Provided I had a CRW, it would be better, of cause.

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Rob Ashton said:

I pop over here to the Canon forum every now and then for a laugh
at some of the pathetic people here.

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Uh, ok.

Some of us are perhaps pathetic, but atleast we're the ones with the better kit. :->

Rob Ashton said:

Anyone who dares to share an opinion that a Canon camera isn't what
they expected or wanted gets a string of insults thrown at them.

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No. It doesn't happen to everyone.

However, dropping in like Roark did, firing off a bunch of rather bizarre statements and then offer no tangible proof... Well, it doesn't make much sense, and it sure triggers everyone's "troll alert" (tm).

The correct way (in case there's really an unfixable issue) is:

• "hey guys, I have a problem, such and such doesn't quite seem right"
• "no, I've done that"
• "it's been at the service center three times now, it's still not right"
• "Brand X sucks!"

Immediately starting off with "Brand X sucks!" isn't very constructive and doesn't add one bit of valuable insight to this forum.

Granted, Roark did post that ISO 1250 shot with all that "noise" in it. I'm not sure what his expectations were, but I'd sure wish my D60 would be that noise free at a similar ISO. You be the judge Rob; did you find that particular 100% ISO 1250 crop to be proof positive that Roark's ex-1Ds was a "joke"?

Bottom line is: I suspect many of this forum's members do their research prior to buying a new camera body. Before I purchased my D60 a year ago I had already read through the D60 manual twice and had made sure to read Phil's review and a couple of others. I had also been lurking here and knew what new D60 owners all around the world were saying. I basically went in with both eyes open.

Roark OTOH didn't bother doing any homework, and instead of asking us prior to buying his 1Ds, he is now an unhappy customer. Add to which the possibility that he may have received a faulty 1Ds, but again: He sold the darn thing (I assume it's sold by now) before asking for help (well, if you call that "asking" mind you).

Rob Ashton said:

possible DSLR (for the price). This camera is so expensive that
most people expect perfection in every department.

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In fact, it's so expensive that most people would sit down and do a little research first before handing over all that dough. I doubt Roark would've been any surprised had he simply read Phil's review for a start.

The 1Ds is capable of outresolving some L lenses. I think it's safe to say that in many ways it's pretty close to perfection as we know it today. It by no means implies that the buyer shouldn't do a little homework first though...

Rob Ashton said:

The reality is that this isn't so. The camera has its fair share of problems.

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Such as..?

Rob Ashton said:

Go the whole hog....go 4/3 SCCD 4

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It's an odd thing advocating a technology that's not even shipping yet?

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Just thought I had to post msg #150. Just to stop this whining troll....etc.

Sokolum said:

I need thos 2 secconde to adjust myyself to camera view window and
focus and point the camera to my subject...

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Oh, but you don't see: Roark is saving his precious batteries (his precious) and powers the camera up after manually focusing and framing the shot, and then immediately powers it down again. His precious (battery) never runs out.

Can't you hear him now, sitting in his troll cave making sad "roark", "roark" noises in the back of his throat carefully caressing his precious?

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