I've figured out the difference between Merrill and Quattro

MarkWW · Jul 30, 2014

Roland Karlsson said:
xpatUSA said:

Roland Karlsson said:

Isn't a fie that's been opened in SPP6 now broken for SPP5?

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No good asking me, Roland, I am stuck in time at SD14 & SPP 3.5.1

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Someone said so. A Merrill file.

But, as far as I know, that was the prerelease of 6.0 that was not even supposed to work on Merrill files.

He has got a point though. There is a risk if you write to the file.

I think the same happened to me the other day with the most recent version of SPP6. Opened it in SPP6, crashed when I tried to save it. Tried to open in SPP5, crashed. Remembered the forum thread about this & quickly went back to a backup of the original RAW file and opened in SPP5 - no problems.

But my memory could be fuzzy about the 'tried to open in SPP5' as I may have just thought of the forum thread as soon as SPP6 crashed and done the restore then, but I think it did crash in SPP5.

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PrebenR · Jul 30, 2014

You haven't figured out anything. I have both Merrill and Quattro and the difference is nothing like your photos.

xpatUSA · Jul 30, 2014

MarkWW said:
I've now taken to making a copy of the file before opening it in SPP at all. I'm going to experiment with write-protecting the files to prevent SPP from writing to them.

Apropos of which, I just had an odd experience on my PC (running XP Pro SP3).

I selected a number of X3F files and set their Windows properties to 'Read only'.

Then I opened an X3F file in SPP 3.5.1 set it to monochrome and played with the sliders and 'saved as' with the 'save adjustments' box checked. No warning dialog of any kind appeared.

And, when I opened the file back up . . . guess what?

So, good luck with that write protection ;-)

MarkWW · Jul 30, 2014

xpatUSA said:
MarkWW said:

I've now taken to making a copy of the file before opening it in SPP at all. I'm going to experiment with write-protecting the files to prevent SPP from writing to them.

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Apropos of which, I just had an odd experience on my PC (running XP Pro SP3).

I selected a number of X3F files and set their Windows properties to 'Read only'.

Then I opened an X3F file in SPP 3.5.1 set it to monochrome and played with the sliders and 'saved as' with the 'save adjustments' box checked. No warning dialog of any kind appeared.

And, when I opened the file back up . . . guess what?

So, good luck with that write protection ;-)

richard stone · Jul 31, 2014

xpatUSA said:
richard stone said:

xpatUSA said:

Roland Karlsson said:

Yeah ... but lets say that you have used a fair amount of time and effort optimizing the image in SPP and then you export it to TIFF.

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Hello again Roland.

I was with you until that last sentence. My suggestion was that the image is not 'optimized' in SPP; instead, a fixed and named set of adjustments is always used. Maybe just exposure comp after they been applied.

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Yes, but...

What you are discussing at the end, or almost at the end, is what it means to "optimize" an image for further PP, in LR or whatever. This could easily and properly vary by subject, as well as based on other image related factors, and by user.

Or, as you say, you could simply standardize it.

And you could get a lot done in SPP, depending on how much PP you intend to do to the image.

But as to leathery skin, if that is an issue, perhaps one approach is to use the proper amount of plus or minus fill light. Or maybe the user prefers a certain sharpening program, or a specific NR program, or the image requires that, then don't start with that process in SPP. Or acknowledge that some sharpening etc is done in SPP and keep it to the minimum.

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Indeed it looks like you've covered all the options, Richard, leaving no one workflow to be preferred over any other.

Indeed I have. And why? Because different images and purposes may require different treatments. And there is probably not one best way.

Laurence and a few others have a specific flow when they make large prints. But they cannot do many at once, and they do not "batch" process, as I see it.... Pros doing weddings, as Scott pointed out, have limited time to spend on each print, and they have to do bunches of them, each week. A landscape guy who finds himself taking pictures of his wife or girlfriend has another issue. Leathery skin on a pretty girl? I remember complaints about that from the most ardent M user.

And some people, sometimes, fall in love with a "look,"or a style, or a program typically a NR or sharpening program, which they cannot live without. Each image is subjected to that treatment. With good results, at first.

Standardization (preference, even) can also the end of creativity, in some considerations, as you close off experimentation and ways of seeing.

Optimization means doing neither the most nor the least in SPP. Or you could just ask for standardization, not optimization. Or you could use the word preferred. The words have different meanings.

I have no graphs or charts to back this up.

Richard

xpatUSA · Jul 31, 2014

MarkWW said:
xpatUSA said:

MarkWW said:

I've now taken to making a copy of the file before opening it in SPP at all. I'm going to experiment with write-protecting the files to prevent SPP from writing to them.

Click to expand...

Apropos of which, I just had an odd experience on my PC (running XP Pro SP3).

I selected a number of X3F files and set their Windows properties to 'Read only'.

Then I opened an X3F file in SPP 3.5.1 set it to monochrome and played with the sliders and 'saved as' with the 'save adjustments' box checked. No warning dialog of any kind appeared.

And, when I opened the file back up . . . guess what?

So, good luck with that write protection ;-)

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