Does your E-mount replace a DSLR?

lightgrabber · Jul 12, 2014

prtsmnn1 said:
I have the A6000 and with the 16-70mm and I really like this set combo for hiking and snapshots of family however I don't look at it as a replacement for my Canon system. For me I like the image quality that I get with my L lens and 5D2 much better. Maybe it is just my preference .
I just can't see the A6000 replacing my Canon.
Sony changes cameras and lens and systems almost daily. The system I have with the A6000 will be outdated in 6 months.
Canon is in it for the long term. The difference in the quality is huge for me, The Canon is a professional system and if you ever use one with the L lens you will see what I mean.

I have the 5DMk2also and I didn't mean for my new a6000 to be a replacement for it, just a lighter more compact camera, for when I didn't want to lug the big guy and it's big lenses around, but still wanted to be able to take some nice pictures.

Now that I've got the a6000 and have been using it I may be starting to change my mind a little.

Have you tried any of your L lenses on the a6000?

I've been using my 100-400mm with it and I've been impressed. It's true that you lose any sort of rapid AF, but then I'm beginning to appreciate MF, using focus peaking, more than I ever thought I would and frankly, I never did find the AF of the 5D Mk2 was all that stellar in speed. I've heard the Mk3 is better but that is a costly upgrade with not all that many improvements to make it all that appealing.

It's all too new to me right now to say, for sure, which way I will go but, I am liking the a6000, with it's native lenses when I want light and fast and, I think, with the Metabones adapter, it may be a viable replacement for the 5D Mk2 when I want to use the L glass I already have.

GaryW · Jul 12, 2014

Franka T.L. said:
And there's good reason why ... despite Sony's great effort , giving us 3 FF and several APS-C , there cannot be denied that similar choice also are avai from the DSLR camp ( especially Nikon ) but ultimately the body only part if the story. As system goes, there needs to be other to complete the system and well let's put it this way, decades of investment by Nikon to build up the F mount do not go un noticed, and Canon though do not have that long a timeframe with their EOS lineup , still have plenty of lead time and loads of lens that come with it .. not to mention also bodies that do cover the usage ( must say though Canon really trailing with their sensor right now )

The sensor is part of the system. I guess you have to weigh what's more important to you. But the real problem for many of us is the size and weight. I think that's been my largest motivator for switching to Nex.

Franka T.L. said:
Its perhaps an old story, and another call for that .. but seriously and if ( whoever ) wanting to actually made the mirrorless their prime platform, then by all means provide the lens and yes that mean various different bracket of performance , cost, focal length, speed, and then some. And on top of that also system accessories that can be mated native and work with instead of just work along ... Flash, Remote trigger, GPS, Wifi, NFS, off body recorder ( for Video ), etc ... How about simple things like extension tube/Bellow ( now that the lens are all electrically and electronically coupled, how hard can this be ); decent lens hood; small things that adds up ..

There are 3rd party electronic extension tubes. I've thought about getting some, although for what I've been doing, using A-mount has been working.

I think if you want a "complete system" and never have to worry about any obscure feature or lens missing, then you probably have to go with Canikon. You can find the odd thing missing from A-mount, even, although the back catalog of Minolta lenses is pretty huge.

Mel Snyder · Jul 12, 2014

GaryW said:
Al_10D said:

Mel Snyder said:

II urge you to give manual focus a fair shot. Buy a nice medium tele and adapter, and don't get frustrated by your first attempts -

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I'll urge you to take 10 frames per second burst with you MF lens of my daughter jumping to the swimming pool. I hope your skills allow you to keep her in focus.

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If you shoot from the side or have enough DOF to keep her in focus, then no problem. If trying to photograph her running head-on into the camera, then maybe you'd have something. But you have an a6000 that could do it.

If you want an 85/f1.4, is it to photograph your daughter jumping in a pool, or staged portraits where manual focus is not an issue?

GaryW said:

I also offer you to take a picture of my RC plane in flight using your best MF lenses. I have no doubts you will feel proud of the accomplishment. Just don't get frustrated by your first attempts - they are unlikely to be great.

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I used to use MF at airshows, sometimes. I would get a few less "keepers".

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Gary W.

"If you shoot from the side or have enough DOF to keep her in focus, then no problem. If trying to photograph her running head-on into the camera, then maybe you'd have something. But you have an a6000 that could do it."

You can do that easily with a MF telephoto - even at 210mm. See https://www.flickr.com/photos/melsnyder/sets/72157644253319263/

In particular, see

https://flic.kr/p/ngSNKM

and

https://flic.kr/p/nha6Ax

sequential shots with a Nikkor 70-210mm f4-f5.6 set at f8. And no, not a burst refocused as the runners came at me. I have never shot action seriously with burst. You lose the ability to select the precise moment - no matter how fast the burst.

It sounds tougher than it is. With focus peaking, you don't really need AF of burst - you just focus and shoot.

Check all the photos - all those named "nikkor" were shot that way. It was the first time I used the lens, and at first, I was using the kit lens. But it wasn't long enough to please me, so on the 70-210 went. It was easier than I thought - didn't have much time as I the only doctor's appointment I could get at Mass General was on Marathon Day - and I had just about an hour to shoot the marathon before having to thread my way through closed streets from Brookline to MGH.

I've been doing this for years, shooting football, basketball, wrestling, soccer, lacrosse, swimming.

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A "golden oldie" of mine from my high school days - Grand Prize in the 1959 Kodak High School Photo Contest - shot with a Minolta Autocord. I was 17 years old.

I'm on my boat, but if you want, I can upload other sports shot over the years MF. It just isn't as tough as you would think. I never owned an AF film camera - my first AF SLR was a DSLR in 2004, a Nikon D70. And by then, I'd shot sports and weddings for decades MF.

Take a look at Justin's incredible BIF images shot with a MF 600mm Canon on an NEX-7 - now THAT takes skill. What I've done and do is nothing compared to his MF action skills.

Mel Snyder · Jul 12, 2014

Al_10D said:
Mel Snyder said:

II urge you to give manual focus a fair shot. Buy a nice medium tele and adapter, and don't get frustrated by your first attempts -

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I'll urge you to take 10 frames per second burst with you MF lens of my daughter jumping to the swimming pool. I hope your skills allow you to keep her in focus. I also offer you to take a picture of my RC plane in flight using your best MF lenses. I have no doubts you will feel proud of the accomplishment. Just don't get frustrated by your first attempts - they are unlikely to be great.

Check post http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54015163

Where do you live? If anywhere near Boston, I'd be glad to drop by and help you get MF shots of your daughter jumping into a pool. I had a pool from 2000-2004 before I got my first AF DSLR, and was shooting both my then 13 and 10 year old kids and their friends jumping into it.

I was fortunate enough to be born the son of an industrial photographer, and for almost 2 years, I shot football (all night but one day game/year) and basketball with a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Same with weddings - 4x5 Speed Graohic, as soon as I turned 16 and could drive in PA.

Al, I see by your posts you've been shooting quite a while. I'm sure with a bit of assistance, you would discover you can get all the action shots you want with MF. When you do, you'll not lament the lack of fast native E-mount lenses.

Jerry Fusselman · Jul 12, 2014

Mel Snyder said:
Al_10D said:

Mel Snyder said:

II urge you to give manual focus a fair shot. Buy a nice medium tele and adapter, and don't get frustrated by your first attempts -

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I'll urge you to take 10 frames per second burst with you MF lens of my daughter jumping to the swimming pool. I hope your skills allow you to keep her in focus. I also offer you to take a picture of my RC plane in flight using your best MF lenses. I have no doubts you will feel proud of the accomplishment. Just don't get frustrated by your first attempts - they are unlikely to be great.

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Check post http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54015163

Where do you live? If anywhere near Boston, I'd be glad to drop by and help you get MF shots of your daughter jumping into a pool. I had a pool from 2000-2004 before I got my first AF DSLR, and was shooting both my then 13 and 10 year old kids and their friends jumping into it.

I was fortunate enough to be born the son of an industrial photographer, and for almost 2 years, I shot football (all night but one day game/year) and basketball with a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Same with weddings - 4x5 Speed Graohic, as soon as I turned 16 and could drive in PA.

Al, I see by your posts you've been shooting quite a while. I'm sure with a bit of assistance, you would discover you can get all the action shots you want with MF. When you do, you'll not lament the lack of fast native E-mount lenses.

That would be amazing, to manual focus that well. I would like that ability. Is it just a matter of practice, or is there some key mental aspect to focus on?

Mel Snyder · Jul 12, 2014

Al_10D said:
Mel Snyder said:

Al_10D said:

Al, before we had AF, we shot everything we do with AF today - active kids, sports, street photography. And you can do it, too - and enjoy the great Sony APS-C/full frame world!

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Mel, before we had cars, fridges and electricity... you got the idea, right?

Al, sorry, I don't get it.

I'm shooting what I believe are the latest/greatest cameras I've ever owned, an NEX-6 and an A7. I process my images on an MacBook Pro with Lightroom 5.5.

I drive a 2014 Mazda 3 Grand Touring with a slick nav system...and the most elegant 6-speed manual transmission I've ever driven.

I'm developing iPad sales presentations with embedded videos I've shot for a world leading rehab equipment company.

And so, no, I don't get the idea - there's nothing horse-and-buggy or icebox or gas lamps about shooting Mf lenses. There's not even a lot of skill involved - Sony has made it almost embarrassingly easy, with focus peaking and a histogram in the EVF.

In the era of split image, fresnel lens and ground glass MF film shooting, yeah, there was an art/skill involved. But today? nah, with Sony, it's like paddle-shifting in a McLaren MP4-12C. Not your father's MF, for sure. Or mine.

Al_10D · Jul 12, 2014

Mel Snyder said:
Where do you live? If anywhere near Boston, I'd be glad to drop by and help you get MF shots of your daughter jumping into a pool.

Thanks for the offer, but I see absolutely no reason to go MF road, as I have beautiful Canon AF L tele lenses and 5DIII with an excellent AF system.

Again, my point was: e-mount does not replace DSLR for me, because Sony's e-mount FF lens selection sucks big time.

It was my answer to OP question "Does your E-mount replace a DSLR?": "No, mine does not" The fact that somebody is able to take action shot with non-stabilized MF telelens does not change my answer and does not change my opinion on sucky Sony e-mount lens selection.

P.S. As I've already said, I will sell my Canon gear as soon as Sony releases e-mount stabilized fast tele primes like 85mm F/1.8, 135mm F/2, 200mm F/2.8 & 300mm F/4. Then I buy A7 or whatever FF mirrorless model at that time Sony has. For now I'll use Canon 5DIII for taking pics of fast moving objects and A6000 as a travel camera.

Mel Snyder · Jul 12, 2014

Jerry Fusselman said:
Mel Snyder said:

Al_10D said:

Mel Snyder said:

II urge you to give manual focus a fair shot. Buy a nice medium tele and adapter, and don't get frustrated by your first attempts -

Click to expand...

I'll urge you to take 10 frames per second burst with you MF lens of my daughter jumping to the swimming pool. I hope your skills allow you to keep her in focus. I also offer you to take a picture of my RC plane in flight using your best MF lenses. I have no doubts you will feel proud of the accomplishment. Just don't get frustrated by your first attempts - they are unlikely to be great.

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Check post http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54015163

Where do you live? If anywhere near Boston, I'd be glad to drop by and help you get MF shots of your daughter jumping into a pool. I had a pool from 2000-2004 before I got my first AF DSLR, and was shooting both my then 13 and 10 year old kids and their friends jumping into it.

I was fortunate enough to be born the son of an industrial photographer, and for almost 2 years, I shot football (all night but one day game/year) and basketball with a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Same with weddings - 4x5 Speed Graohic, as soon as I turned 16 and could drive in PA.

Al, I see by your posts you've been shooting quite a while. I'm sure with a bit of assistance, you would discover you can get all the action shots you want with MF. When you do, you'll not lament the lack of fast native E-mount lenses.

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That would be amazing, to manual focus that well. I would like that ability. Is it just a matter of practice, or is there some key mental aspect to focus on?

Jerry Fusselman · Jul 12, 2014

Mel Snyder said:
Jerry Fusselman said:

Mel Snyder said:

Al_10D said:

Mel Snyder said:

II urge you to give manual focus a fair shot. Buy a nice medium tele and adapter, and don't get frustrated by your first attempts -

Click to expand...

I'll urge you to take 10 frames per second burst with you MF lens of my daughter jumping to the swimming pool. I hope your skills allow you to keep her in focus. I also offer you to take a picture of my RC plane in flight using your best MF lenses. I have no doubts you will feel proud of the accomplishment. Just don't get frustrated by your first attempts - they are unlikely to be great.

Click to expand...

Check post http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54015163

Where do you live? If anywhere near Boston, I'd be glad to drop by and help you get MF shots of your daughter jumping into a pool. I had a pool from 2000-2004 before I got my first AF DSLR, and was shooting both my then 13 and 10 year old kids and their friends jumping into it.

I was fortunate enough to be born the son of an industrial photographer, and for almost 2 years, I shot football (all night but one day game/year) and basketball with a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Same with weddings - 4x5 Speed Graohic, as soon as I turned 16 and could drive in PA.

Al, I see by your posts you've been shooting quite a while. I'm sure with a bit of assistance, you would discover you can get all the action shots you want with MF. When you do, you'll not lament the lack of fast native E-mount lenses.

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That would be amazing, to manual focus that well. I would like that ability. Is it just a matter of practice, or is there some key mental aspect to focus on?

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neil holmes · Jul 13, 2014

Fstop85 said:
I have posted my response to Thom Hogan's recent article 'The Canon/Nikon problem' on my blog:

http://jimmywalsh.com.au/blog

As an A6000 user, I find it interesting to read that Sony hasn't been able to increase it's market share over Canon and Sony.

Are E-mount sales replacing or augmenting DSLR/ DSLT sales? I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

I am using my A7 in APSC mode more and more....so it replaces both a FF DSLR and a APSC one.

Regards Thom Hogan, I like a lot of what he writes but lately seems to be slipping a bit.

For instance, regards the A7S.......he wrote

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"The problem is that the higher we push current sensor technology into low light, the more we see the problem of too much dynamic range in the scene for the sensor to capture. At ISO 12,800 we’re typically worse off than the earliest sensors were in terms of dynamic range at base ISO, so we’re 50+ years behind in our image’s technical aspects, just at a different ISO value. (Update: since someone took me to task on this statement, let me point out the word “typically” as well as the fact that I’m using my measurement practices for consistency, not someone else’s.)"

So he wont test/try a A7S that has a greater dynamic range at ISO 12800 than the earliest cameras did at base ISO because OTHER cameras typically don't/didn't???? (A7S has about 9.5 stops at ISO 12800, Thom Hogan wrote on DPR in 2001 that the Nikon D1H had about 6.5 stops DR at base ISO).......I have no issue if he doesn't want to test/try it or even if he does but doesn't like it but that just doesn't make sense.

greypixelz · Jul 13, 2014

Haven't touched a SLR since I picked up the original NEX3. But then again, I'm just an amateur.

jimmy.walsh · Jul 13, 2014

moffatross said:
Fstop85 said:

... if I am working in low light I prefer to be using my D600. I have a few reasons for this:

1. Full frame gathers more light; produces less noise

2. AF is faster

3. I can use my f1.4 primes

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Although there would be a little extra light attenuation through even an optically ideal focal reducer, for a given lens area doing the gathering, end sensor size by itself should make almost no practical difference to the number of photons it can make use of. The real benefit of increasing a sensor's size is that light doesn't need as much 'bending' to get there in the first place so refraction can be better managed, and there will be less diffraction interference between adjacent pixels. I don't know what the resolution of a D600 is but for practical purposes, the noise difference from APS-C and FF is likely to be marginal between say 36MP FF and 24MP APS-C (Nex 7/A6000 to A7R).

I see your point re: a focal reducer. Do 'optically ideal' focal reducers actually exist though? I've never used one but I was under the impression that focal reducers had some negative impact on image quality (sharpness, CAs etc).

The D600 and the A6000 are both 24mp. Personally I feel that the biggest benefits of the D600 are the shallower DOF I can achieve (there aren't any AF f1.4 lenses available for the E-mount,a s far as I know) and the smoother high-ISO files. As you say, the noise difference isn't huge but it is definitely noticeable.

lightgrabber · Jul 13, 2014

GaryW said:
Al_10D said:

GaryW said:

Huh, from your comments, it's hard to tell. ;-)

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Gary, I admire your skills to take pictures of moving subject with MF lenses, but I prefer to drive a car instead of a horse and lit my house with an electrical bulbs instead of oil burning lamps.

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Poor examples. A better example would be how I drove for many years with a manual-shift car. I didn't have to, and most people in the US drive auto. Sports car enthusiasts often prefer manual shift. It certainly gives a different experience, one that connects you to the car and the road.

As for MF cameras, it wasn't that many years ago when MF was all we had. You don't have to go back to the days of oil lamps and horses.

What's great about these ILC cameras is that you can switch lenses, so you can use AF most of the time and only use MF for lenses and situations that call for it. It's not all-or-nothing, unless you alway shoot with tele primes (which would be unusual).

GaryW said:

I only use manual focus for taking macro photos now.

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I use it whenever I'm in a weird situation like shooting through a fence or where there are a lot of branches or other distractions to the AF -- so I override the AF lens. I'm surprised you haven't bumped into these situations in your many years of photography. ;-) I only have a couple of lenses where I have to use MF, and they are used for specific situations -- static portraits, airshows, etc. So, I'm glad you admire my skill to focus on people holding very still. ;-) It's a bit harder to focus on the moving planes, so I probably deserve a bit more credit there.

Richard M · Jul 13, 2014

Not for me bought the A6000 out of curiosity great fun camera would love an A7 with that AF

cant imagine why anybody would Want to shoot fast moving objects with manual focus if they have a camera that can do it with AF ? just because you can ?

just my personal view

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Regards
Richard

José B · Jul 13, 2014

Fstop85 said:
I have posted my response to Thom Hogan's recent article 'The Canon/Nikon problem' on my blog:

http://jimmywalsh.com.au/blog

As an A6000 user, I find it interesting to read that Sony hasn't been able to increase it's market share over Canon and Sony.

Are E-mount sales replacing or augmenting DSLR/ DSLT sales? I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

Slowly but surely I've replicated my Canon DSLR lens lineup. Yes the A6000 is fast enough that I haven't used my Canons for awhile.

16-70/4 for travel, events and headshots

Primes for portraits

1.8/24

Touit 1.8/32

Sonnar 1.8/55

cheers,

José

Mel Snyder · Jul 13, 2014

Jerry Fusselman said:
Mel Snyder said:

Jerry Fusselman said:

Mel Snyder said:

Al_10D said:

Mel Snyder said:

II urge you to give manual focus a fair shot. Buy a nice medium tele and adapter, and don't get frustrated by your first attempts -

Click to expand...

I'll urge you to take 10 frames per second burst with you MF lens of my daughter jumping to the swimming pool. I hope your skills allow you to keep her in focus. I also offer you to take a picture of my RC plane in flight using your best MF lenses. I have no doubts you will feel proud of the accomplishment. Just don't get frustrated by your first attempts - they are unlikely to be great.

Click to expand...

Check post http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54015163

Where do you live? If anywhere near Boston, I'd be glad to drop by and help you get MF shots of your daughter jumping into a pool. I had a pool from 2000-2004 before I got my first AF DSLR, and was shooting both my then 13 and 10 year old kids and their friends jumping into it.

I was fortunate enough to be born the son of an industrial photographer, and for almost 2 years, I shot football (all night but one day game/year) and basketball with a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Same with weddings - 4x5 Speed Graohic, as soon as I turned 16 and could drive in PA.

Al, I see by your posts you've been shooting quite a while. I'm sure with a bit of assistance, you would discover you can get all the action shots you want with MF. When you do, you'll not lament the lack of fast native E-mount lenses.

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That would be amazing, to manual focus that well. I would like that ability. Is it just a matter of practice, or is there some key mental aspect to focus on?

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ninjapimp · Jul 13, 2014

Yes it does!

I own a Nikon D800, I would often use and travel with these lens: 14-24mm, 24-70mm, 50mm and maybe a 28-300mm

all that was pretty heavy to carry.

I've converted to a Sony A7R and use the following Nikkor AIS glass: 20mm f3.5, 24mm f2, 35mm f1.4, 135 f2 plus two FE lenses the FE35 and FE55

If I do portraits I'll take 3 lens with me 135mm, 55mm and 35mm

when traveling for landscapes I take 24mm, FE35 and FE55, i travel light, these 3 lenses give me all I need

There are compromises but in the end the pros the sony offers seems better. I want FF, lightweight and quality. The Nikon D800 as much as i love it, got to big unwieldy due to its weight and size. putting bigger lenses on it does feel right and better than on the A7R. putting a nikkor 24-70mm onto the A7R seems retarded to me as it nows super heavy, i prefer to buy FE lens to keep the size factor in check.

I have felt the pleasure of holding a smaller camera in my hand and really enjoy it more. a Nikon d800 with a 24-70mm became unruly, too much weight on my wrist, it was just too much to walk around with. my wrist would fatigue after a few hours and even though i used a sling strap that camera nudging n bouncing on my hip left bruises.

I spend 8 to 12 hours a day walking, traveling and having camera plus 1 or 2 extra lenses was a lot of weight plus gota have tripod.

with the sony i have cut down the weight by more than half, i totally feel the difference so much so i needed new smaller camera bag.

Using the legacy glass has brought new enthusiasm to taking pictures, which translates to taking more pictures.

The Nikon D800 now sits in my museum cabinet....where my film Nikon F4 and F5 also sit.

I've been shooting since the 1980's I started as the high school photographer. Like many I initially resisted digital because I felt it was not to par...but when the Nikon D90 came about, this sparked my interest. I moved to D7000 than D800. With the D800 I felt I had reached a peak of excellence. However I soon realized there were two worlds...quality and the pain of carrying around the gear.

Around this time I started looking at EVIL cameras and tried the Nikon 1 V1, I was pleased with its results considering it cost me only $250, with an adapter I could use my nikon glass. However I considered it a downgrade from D700 and D800 because it had too much noise, no dials, lame menu system. i was good for small things like product photography, things where a small jpg did not matter. i did not intend its use for print or high quality landscape shots, its a good camera to just toy with and loved the super fast AF, small, fit in my front pocket with 10mm.

Clearly EVIL had to be better and I could not see myself spending money equal to a d800.

Along came the RX1 which I did not own but got to play with it, this helped me realize EVIL is about to change everything and has serious potential.

Than came A7R, a first of its kind. it offered nearly everything quality and performance wise a D800. sure there are trade offs but in the end I was able to achieve same or better quality and because its lighter i fell in love with it, its my goto camera now. My goto lens are the FE35, FE55 and Nikkor AIS 24mm f2, with these 3 lens, they fit in my small think tank retrospect 5 camera bag. I hacked a trigger remote. got myself a flash HVL-F20M and an L bracket. A mandatory purchase of wasabi charger set with extra bats. I'm set and super pleased. camera bag than weights about 5lb plus my tripod and i'm up to 7bs, which is a huge difference. With nikon I'd be near 20 to 25lbs!

JurijTurnsek · Jul 13, 2014

Mel Snyder said:
Jerry Fusselman said:

Mel Snyder said:

Jerry Fusselman said:

Mel Snyder said:

Al_10D said:

Mel Snyder said:

II urge you to give manual focus a fair shot. Buy a nice medium tele and adapter, and don't get frustrated by your first attempts -

Click to expand...

I'll urge you to take 10 frames per second burst with you MF lens of my daughter jumping to the swimming pool. I hope your skills allow you to keep her in focus. I also offer you to take a picture of my RC plane in flight using your best MF lenses. I have no doubts you will feel proud of the accomplishment. Just don't get frustrated by your first attempts - they are unlikely to be great.

Click to expand...

Check post http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54015163

Where do you live? If anywhere near Boston, I'd be glad to drop by and help you get MF shots of your daughter jumping into a pool. I had a pool from 2000-2004 before I got my first AF DSLR, and was shooting both my then 13 and 10 year old kids and their friends jumping into it.

I was fortunate enough to be born the son of an industrial photographer, and for almost 2 years, I shot football (all night but one day game/year) and basketball with a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Same with weddings - 4x5 Speed Graohic, as soon as I turned 16 and could drive in PA.

Al, I see by your posts you've been shooting quite a while. I'm sure with a bit of assistance, you would discover you can get all the action shots you want with MF. When you do, you'll not lament the lack of fast native E-mount lenses.

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That would be amazing, to manual focus that well. I would like that ability. Is it just a matter of practice, or is there some key mental aspect to focus on?

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RedFox88 · Jul 13, 2014

Al_10D said:
Sony produce just 5 native E-mount lenses for full frame cameras

1. VERY slow standard zoom 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 ( $500 )

2. Slow standard zoom 24-70mm F/4 ( $1200 !!!)

3. Slow tele zoom 70-200mm F/4 ( $1500 !!! )

4. Slow prime 35mm F/2.8 ( $800 !!! )

Since when is f/2.8 slow? Some call f/4 as fast you know!

Al_10D said:
5. Good and fast 55mm F/1.8 ( $1000 !!! )

and that's it!!!

No 14mm, 24mm, 35mm, 85mm, 135mm. 200mm, 300mm, TS-E, Macro, no F/2.8 standard and tele zooms.

If that selection does not suck big time then I don't know what does.

Jerry Fusselman · Jul 13, 2014

Mel Snyder said:
Jerry Fusselman said:

Mel Snyder said:

Jerry Fusselman said:

Mel Snyder said:

Al_10D said:

Mel Snyder said:

II urge you to give manual focus a fair shot. Buy a nice medium tele and adapter, and don't get frustrated by your first attempts -

Click to expand...

I'll urge you to take 10 frames per second burst with you MF lens of my daughter jumping to the swimming pool. I hope your skills allow you to keep her in focus. I also offer you to take a picture of my RC plane in flight using your best MF lenses. I have no doubts you will feel proud of the accomplishment. Just don't get frustrated by your first attempts - they are unlikely to be great.

Click to expand...

Check post http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54015163

Where do you live? If anywhere near Boston, I'd be glad to drop by and help you get MF shots of your daughter jumping into a pool. I had a pool from 2000-2004 before I got my first AF DSLR, and was shooting both my then 13 and 10 year old kids and their friends jumping into it.

I was fortunate enough to be born the son of an industrial photographer, and for almost 2 years, I shot football (all night but one day game/year) and basketball with a 4x5 Speed Graphic. Same with weddings - 4x5 Speed Graohic, as soon as I turned 16 and could drive in PA.

Al, I see by your posts you've been shooting quite a while. I'm sure with a bit of assistance, you would discover you can get all the action shots you want with MF. When you do, you'll not lament the lack of fast native E-mount lenses.

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That would be amazing, to manual focus that well. I would like that ability. Is it just a matter of practice, or is there some key mental aspect to focus on?

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Does your E-mount replace a DSLR?

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