Straight Out Of the Camera (SOOC) v. Post Processing

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My intent is not to discuss whether one is better than the other, but why people think one or the other is better.

SOOC is a concept new to photography with the advent of digital cameras. It is often used to imply no processing has been done, which is not strictly accurate.

For many purposes, what is produced by the camera achieves result the photographer wishes, and nothing further need be done.

No camera produces a perfect image in every circumstance, however. So, for certain outcomes, manipulation is necessary. Always has been. Will remain so until one can adjust sensitivity of sensor segments individually. Image editors are the digital equivalent of a darkroom.

Granted, one should attempt to achieve the best possible result at the moment of capturing an image. And it is truly easy to create an aesthetic nightmare in Photoshop. But why the bizarre notion of supremacy of one over the other?

To me, methods are tools: Use the most appropriate for the desired result.
 
Well, I don't think anyone likes to spend more time than necessary post processing. We would all rather be out there creating more images.

The idea of showing SOOC images is that there is a belief that cetain cameras, or certain brands produce better results SOOC than other cameras or other camera brands.

So, in theory, you wold spend less time in post and more time out making images.

That, to me anyway, is the point of comparing SOOC images.
 
For me SOOC associates only with lack of competence to do any PP.
 
What do you mean with out of cam and post process? Some refer it to jpeg vs raw, but you can have raw files without extra post process with profiles.

I think most don't like post process, as they think it is some sort of cheating. It is important to understand what type of pp is meant. Some even don't know, that each out of cam is the result of post process in the camera.

For some, I think, is important that the process of doing the photography ends with the shutter.

No method is superior in any case. Some may have advantage in some cases o not. And it strongly depends on the photographers style, which can change over time of course. Me in example uses both worlds. I use post process if the out of cam jpeg is not good enough or if I use raw file, when post process is mandatory.
 
I have one one word for those that use SOOC images. You are LAZY!

It's what defines a "picture taker" from a photographer.
 
I have one one word for those that use SOOC images. You are LAZY!
Sonny, when you've taken as many photographs as I have you've got a right to be lazy. And what's wrong with lazy, anyway? I expend as much effort as I need to achieve the results I want.

It's a hobby (now, for me) and I can't see why anyone should disapprove of how others should exercise their hobby.
It's what defines a "picture taker" from a photographer.
Nope! You may as well say that doing dye transfer or daguerrotypes defines a photographer.
 
For me SOOC associates only with lack of competence to do any PP.
The poster Mike_PEAT would probably disagree with you. He shoots small parts for web use professionally and has his lighting and exposure dialed in. He shoots in JPEG because he knows what they're going to look like; there's no need for him to waste time processing RAW files so that they look the same as his JPEGs.

He states that he does his personal shooting in RAW. I strongly believe that he is quite competent to do that.

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I have one one word for those that use SOOC images. You are LAZY!

It's what defines a "picture taker" from a photographer.
Some get it right in camera, that is efficient not lazy.

Think again about the picture taker and photographer in that respect.
 
My intent is not to discuss whether one is better than the other, but why people think one or the other is better.

SOOC is a concept new to photography with the advent of digital cameras. It is often used to imply no processing has been done, which is not strictly accurate.

For many purposes, what is produced by the camera achieves result the photographer wishes, and nothing further need be done.

No camera produces a perfect image in every circumstance, however. So, for certain outcomes, manipulation is necessary. Always has been. Will remain so until one can adjust sensitivity of sensor segments individually. Image editors are the digital equivalent of a darkroom.

Granted, one should attempt to achieve the best possible result at the moment of capturing an image. And it is truly easy to create an aesthetic nightmare in Photoshop. But why the bizarre notion of supremacy of one over the other?

To me, methods are tools: Use the most appropriate for the desired result.
There is nothing better about SOOC as far as image quality is concerned.

But if you can get really good images straight out of your camera and you don't have the skill, desire or time to do much or any post processing, there's no shame in using an image straight out of the camera.

But I get a distinct feeling about this post...
 
Well, I don't think anyone likes to spend more time than necessary post processing.
Speak for yourself! One of my joys is post processing.
 
Well, I don't think anyone likes to spend more time than necessary post processing.
Speak for yourself! One of my joys is post processing.
I stand corrected. At least one person likes to spend more time than necessary in PP.
Not more than necessary - more is necessary! Images straight out of the camera are usually boring. And if you shoot to the right like you should be, you definitely need some post processing.

And to be sure, there are a lot of people who enjoy the post processing. Why not? It's silly not to embrace it. After so many years of darkroom work, I love having this much control.
 
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Well, I don't think anyone likes to spend more time than necessary post processing.
Speak for yourself! One of my joys is post processing.
I stand corrected. At least one person likes to spend more time than necessary in PP.
Not more than necessary - more is necessary! Images straight out of the camera are usually boring. And if you shoot to the right like you should be, you definitely need some post processing.

And to be sure, there are a lot of people who enjoy the post processing. Why not? It's silly not to embrace it. After so many years of darkroom work, I love having this much control.
I never said PP was not necessary. Are you responding to the wrong person?
 
Well, I don't think anyone likes to spend more time than necessary post processing.
Speak for yourself! One of my joys is post processing.
I stand corrected. At least one person likes to spend more time than necessary in PP.
Not more than necessary - more is necessary! Images straight out of the camera are usually boring. And if you shoot to the right like you should be, you definitely need some post processing.

And to be sure, there are a lot of people who enjoy the post processing. Why not? It's silly not to embrace it. After so many years of darkroom work, I love having this much control.
I never said PP was not necessary. Are you responding to the wrong person?
No, you said that no one likes to spend more time than necessary - it kind of implies something. I'm saying more people need to spend more time on PP. They need to expand their idea of what is necessary because their results show a lack of it.
 
It's a much simpler baseline to establish until everyone post-processes an image 100% the same.
My intent is not to discuss whether one is better than the other, but why people think one or the other is better.

SOOC is a concept new to photography with the advent of digital cameras. It is often used to imply no processing has been done, which is not strictly accurate.

For many purposes, what is produced by the camera achieves result the photographer wishes, and nothing further need be done.

No camera produces a perfect image in every circumstance, however. So, for certain outcomes, manipulation is necessary. Always has been. Will remain so until one can adjust sensitivity of sensor segments individually. Image editors are the digital equivalent of a darkroom.

Granted, one should attempt to achieve the best possible result at the moment of capturing an image. And it is truly easy to create an aesthetic nightmare in Photoshop. But why the bizarre notion of supremacy of one over the other?

To me, methods are tools: Use the most appropriate for the desired result.
 
Well, I don't think anyone likes to spend more time than necessary post processing.
Speak for yourself! One of my joys is post processing.
I stand corrected. At least one person likes to spend more time than necessary in PP.
Not more than necessary - more is necessary! Images straight out of the camera are usually boring. And if you shoot to the right like you should be, you definitely need some post processing.

And to be sure, there are a lot of people who enjoy the post processing. Why not? It's silly not to embrace it. After so many years of darkroom work, I love having this much control.
I never said PP was not necessary. Are you responding to the wrong person?
No, you said that no one likes to spend more time than necessary - it kind of implies something. I'm saying more people need to spend more time on PP. They need to expand their idea of what is necessary because their results show a lack of it.
It implies I don't like to spend more time PP than is necessary to achieve the results I want.
 
If convenience and minimization of post-processing is preferred, then you optimize your exposure for jpeg output. If control and maximum image quality is preferred, then you optimize your exposure for raw output. This should be a conscious choice made before pressing the shutter, but way too many photographers think it is something that can be postponed by shooting JPEG+RAW. They are either consciously or (more likely) unconsciously compromising and, therefore, increasing the risk that the image quality for their preferred output will be suboptimal.
 
Post Processing, playing and learning can be fun too. Even after doing the necessary work, you can spend more time on it, just to see if it looks good or not or to get alternatives. You seem to have a tunnel vision, where you cannot believe anything else than your sight.
 

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