audiobomber
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I don't have any of these issues with my K-3 or K20D. It sounds like you bought that piece of crap K-5.
Maybe the focussing screen exacerbated your woes.
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Does your E-mount replace a DSLR?
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Speaking about an unwarranted exaggerations:
85/1.4 + 135/2 + 200/2.8 + 300/4 + 16-55/2.8 (for APS-C) = 6 lenses I'd buy Sony don't have, not 50.
Sony produce just 5 native E-mount lenses for full frame cameras
1. VERY slow standard zoom 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 ( $500 )
2. Slow standard zoom 24-70mm F/4 ( $1200 !!!)
3. Slow tele zoom 70-200mm F/4 ( $1500 !!! )
4. Slow prime 35mm F/2.8 ( $800 !!! )
5. Good and fast 55mm F/1.8 ( $1000 !!! )
and that's it!!!
No 14mm, 24mm, 35mm, 85mm, 135mm. 200mm, 300mm, TS-E, Macro, no F/2.8 standard and tele zooms.
If that selection does not suck big time then I don't know what does.
1. VERY slow standard zoom 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 ( $500 )
2. Slow standard zoom 24-70mm F/4 ( $1200 !!!)
3. Slow tele zoom 70-200mm F/4 ( $1500 !!! )
4. Slow prime 35mm F/2.8 ( $800 !!! )
5. Good and fast 55mm F/1.8 ( $1000 !!! )
and that's it!!!
No 14mm, 24mm, 35mm, 85mm, 135mm. 200mm, 300mm, TS-E, Macro, no F/2.8 standard and tele zooms.
If that selection does not suck big time then I don't know what does.
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FuhTeng
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Replace? No, I've never had a DSLR. I think they're all far too big. But without the brilliance of the mirrorless system, I'd be all over a top P&S (RX100 M3 has my name on it!).
Mel Snyder
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My NEX-6 was a supplement to my pair of D7000s.
My A7 replaces one of those D7000s. I'm giving the second and all my zooms to my son-in-law. I can use my MF Nikon glass on both the A7 and the D7000 "A7 backup" for pro video.
As soon as Sony releases the next version of the A7, I will buy that, sell the D7000, and be done with DSLRs. My A7 has proven to be the Leica M4P of digital photography. Simply brilliant.
A pair of 24x36 prints - one shot with a 35mm Summilux on the A7, and other with a 70-210 Nikkor - proved to me the DSLR is dead weight and dead.
Mel Snyder
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Hmmm...
I have an 85mm f1.2L, a 105mm f2.5, a 24mm f2, a 35mm f1.4, and 80-200 f2.8. And lots of others.
Like Einstein's Ghost, I don't see any shortage of fast lenses at all.
All of them are Sony native e-mount lenses? Wow!
Or you have Canon lens with bulky adapter which slow autofocus to the level of cheap P&S cameras and does not support PDAF?
EinsteinsGhost
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If you're looking for a bulked up system, you're barking up the wrong tree. It is what Sony A-mount is for, and you get all those options as a result. Sony's priorities with E-mount is about portability.
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Exactly my point: right now e-mount Sony does not and can not replace Canon DSLR for me.
BTW, Sony DSLR will be out of production very soon, IMHO, it is a matter of 2-3 years.
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Well, AL, as Mike Tyson used to say: Everyone has plans until they get hit in the face.
Canikon have backed themselves into an evolutionary cul-de-sac, a little like what happened to arachnids...when faced with the choice of getting smarter via larger brain and strangling their digestive tract in the process - or staying stupid but with a future, they chose the latter. That is Canon and Nikon whose desultory efforts at 'mirrorless' are risible. They are clinging to a dying business model.
They will shrink back to the very small core pro market and some marginal specialisations like sports that need long telephotos for a time until even these segments are enveloped by smaller, more agile competitors, the vanguard being Sony.
No shrill objections will cut it for many user groups right now - pros with a set of L lenses looking for light cameras with fabulous sensors and colour and file flexibility; those who would never contemplate a giant box of plastic in the first instance, mirrorless now is a feeder market for Sony a7/r/s; 5D2/3 video at the mid-high end just went south with the a7s; travel photographers are/will flock to the Sonys in droves; and for switched on general photographers who would not want a better, smaller, lighter camera?
The best thing for C/N is to place themselves in the Egyptian river - denial!
And so we see forums in which no one mentions the elephant in the room, where posters think mirrorless stops at APS-C...unreal but that is what is happening.
like this one, aptly named in my view:
[The Luminous Landscape forums have recently moved towards accepting the situation, good for them.]
Review sites are still using low intensity old cameras for C/N lens tests (five years old at Photozone - whoa) yet demand all Sony lenses must be done on the a7r. So there is still plenty of unwarranted blowback, like yours here.
So there are a few remaining mantras, headed up by yours: not enough lenses!
That would hold substance if Sony's E mount cameras were proprietary as are Canons and Nikons, alas for them but great for Sony users they are most definitely not - so we see people joyously rediscovering the wonder of using old fabulous manual focus lenses - ones like FD Canons that don't work on EOS, all Nikkors, Leica R, Contax - all with modern age focus and exposure aids that C/N are too useless and complacent to provide...of course you can also adapt modern AF EF lenses with slower AF yet good enough for many segments of the market, such as by Fred Miranda here:
Even users who demand OEM lenses will have a large number by next year...and don't forget the a7 bodies outperform all equivalent DSLRs and there are three of them.
'No 14mm, 24mm, 35mm, 85mm, 135mm. 200mm, 300mm, TS-E, Macro, no F/2.8 standard and tele zooms.'
Except that all are being used on the a7 cameras as we speak, with adapters, and again - very few users need lightning fast AF. All AF today is much better than 10 years ago in any case. And you do know that many or most users only every buy 1-3 lenses?
Canikon have backed themselves into an evolutionary cul-de-sac, a little like what happened to arachnids...when faced with the choice of getting smarter via larger brain and strangling their digestive tract in the process - or staying stupid but with a future, they chose the latter. That is Canon and Nikon whose desultory efforts at 'mirrorless' are risible. They are clinging to a dying business model.
They will shrink back to the very small core pro market and some marginal specialisations like sports that need long telephotos for a time until even these segments are enveloped by smaller, more agile competitors, the vanguard being Sony.
No shrill objections will cut it for many user groups right now - pros with a set of L lenses looking for light cameras with fabulous sensors and colour and file flexibility; those who would never contemplate a giant box of plastic in the first instance, mirrorless now is a feeder market for Sony a7/r/s; 5D2/3 video at the mid-high end just went south with the a7s; travel photographers are/will flock to the Sonys in droves; and for switched on general photographers who would not want a better, smaller, lighter camera?
The best thing for C/N is to place themselves in the Egyptian river - denial!
And so we see forums in which no one mentions the elephant in the room, where posters think mirrorless stops at APS-C...unreal but that is what is happening.
like this one, aptly named in my view:
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[The Luminous Landscape forums have recently moved towards accepting the situation, good for them.]
Review sites are still using low intensity old cameras for C/N lens tests (five years old at Photozone - whoa) yet demand all Sony lenses must be done on the a7r. So there is still plenty of unwarranted blowback, like yours here.
So there are a few remaining mantras, headed up by yours: not enough lenses!
That would hold substance if Sony's E mount cameras were proprietary as are Canons and Nikons, alas for them but great for Sony users they are most definitely not - so we see people joyously rediscovering the wonder of using old fabulous manual focus lenses - ones like FD Canons that don't work on EOS, all Nikkors, Leica R, Contax - all with modern age focus and exposure aids that C/N are too useless and complacent to provide...of course you can also adapt modern AF EF lenses with slower AF yet good enough for many segments of the market, such as by Fred Miranda here:
Even users who demand OEM lenses will have a large number by next year...and don't forget the a7 bodies outperform all equivalent DSLRs and there are three of them.
'No 14mm, 24mm, 35mm, 85mm, 135mm. 200mm, 300mm, TS-E, Macro, no F/2.8 standard and tele zooms.'
Except that all are being used on the a7 cameras as we speak, with adapters, and again - very few users need lightning fast AF. All AF today is much better than 10 years ago in any case. And you do know that many or most users only every buy 1-3 lenses?
jimmy.walsh
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From the posts so far it seems like there are two main types of responses:
1. users who are shooting solely with an E-mount camera
2. users who shoot with both an E-mount and an SLR
For me, I have been highly impressed with the image quality from the NEX-6 (first) and now the A6000. This has been especially so when used in conjunction with the good prime lenses. My A6000 gives me the ability to take high quality images with a kit that is significantly smaller than an equivalent SLR. I shoot the A6000 primarily with the Sony 10-18mm, Zeiss 24mm and the 50mm f1.8 OSS.
That said, the A6000 still can't compete with my D600 for ultimate image quality. The full frame SLR is still superior for resolution, AF speed, viewfinder, low light performance and subject isolation.
At the end of the day, the A6000 offers exceptional image quality for 90% of my shooting. For the other 10% of the time I use my D600.
And I love both.
Hans vdC
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That is my experience too. I seldom use my 5D3 anymore but can't miss it (yet) for those crucial things where quality, speed and handling are paramount (like weddings). But the a6000, especially with a good prime, really shines. As it is now, I can't replace my 5D3 with the a6000 because it lacks some decent (fast) zooms. That being said, I always long for the features on the a6000 when shooting my 5D3, you can get SO used to face tracking, eyeAF and just general usability. An SLR feels like a dinosaur in that respect.
I'm very much looking forward to a A7 successor which incorporates the fast AF of the a6000 with the IQ of a FF camera with an amazing sensor. That might be my #1 camera in the future.
I'm very much looking forward to a A7 successor which incorporates the fast AF of the a6000 with the IQ of a FF camera with an amazing sensor. That might be my #1 camera in the future.
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Sony still weak on Flash and lenses but closing the gap!
Sony give us some F2.8 zooms please
Sony give us some F2.8 zooms please
I have 7 cameras at this time not including my I-phone I have Canon, Nikon, Sony, Samsung.Pentax, Minolta, and a EOS M. I look at them as tools in a tool box and when I need a certain tool for a a certain kind if job I pick that tool up and use it. I have 4 film cameras and 3 of them are SLR's. I love to shoot film also. It is not a matter of brand or one camera replacing another it is about what I like to shoot with each project I am working on.
jimmy.walsh
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I completely understand this. I can see reasons why each of the mirrorless offerings would stand out under various shooting conditions. For example I would love a Sony A7S for low light whereas I would prefer a Nikon V3 if I was shooting a fast-moving subject.
Unfortunately it's impractical to invest in numerous camera systems. My feeling (at the moment) is that the A6000 performs consistently across most (if not all) of my criteria.
I will be watching Canon and Nikon's activity in this space, though.
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I did replace my DSLR kit with the Sony NEX kit, because I knew it wound fit my shooting style. I never expected MF lenses to so much fun and the sensor output is amazing.
As for the lack of lenses: E-mount is a fairly new system that now has to cater to FF standards - give it time to grow. In the meantime, buy into the system knowing what is available and not on rumors or your own wishes.
It really bothers me that so many people who are just casual shooters that want more than a P&S go straight for DSLRs and never use them to their full potential.
Nowadays, it is not hard to get a cheap used NEX camera to test out alongside your DSLR. It will not be the best available, but you will see the benefits of true portability.
As for the lack of lenses: E-mount is a fairly new system that now has to cater to FF standards - give it time to grow. In the meantime, buy into the system knowing what is available and not on rumors or your own wishes.
It really bothers me that so many people who are just casual shooters that want more than a P&S go straight for DSLRs and never use them to their full potential.
Nowadays, it is not hard to get a cheap used NEX camera to test out alongside your DSLR. It will not be the best available, but you will see the benefits of true portability.
Hopefully, that wont happen until Sony makes FF Emount lenses of the lenses you listed earlier. IE, 85/1.4 + 135/2 + 200/2.8 + 300/4 + 16-55/2.8...
IMO, the question should be, if your friend was asking for advice for a high quality ILC camera to travel and take pictures of their children with, would you suggest a Canon T5i... or an A6000?
Have the 5DM3 and use it with long lenses for birds-wildlife, motor sport, etc. Also had the a6000 for 6 weeks and can't agree with the AF, the M3 is in another leaque when it's comes to usabillity. Though, still use my NEX5N with a Summicron 35/2 ASPH for superb result.Well, not quite. I have been experimenting a lot with the a6000 lately and even bought pretty expensive lenses for it, just to see if it could replace my 5D3. When it comes to weight, AF performance and general use, it definitely can. But for really critical work, the (zoom) lenses are still a letdown. The 1670Z is ok but far from stellar imo, the 24Z is fantastic.
If I could get a very good performing 24-70/F2.8 for my a6000, I think the need for my 5D3 would be very much gone. But as it is now, I'm still too much in doubt. Sometimes the pictures from the a6000 amaze me, sometimes I just feel it's not quite there yet.
I do have to confess though that I'm someone who can get caught up in the technical side of photography way too much, so keep that in mind. It's not something I'm proud of
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EinsteinsGhost
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Then you should know better... that no single camera/system can do that. Disproving that is not the point of this discussion.
That being said, how come I don't have the problem you would? The E-mount bodies are about adaptability and one can be smart enough to recognize that feature, and benefit from it.
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