My understanding from reading these blogs is that that the A7r is already a bit outdated in that it doesn't have A6000 style super fast AF, and also suffers from shutter vibration issues. When is Sony expected to address these in the form of an update? Seems hard to imagine that they'd wait a whole other year.
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When will A7r successor with better shutter and AF come out?
Volkan Ersoy
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I'm also looking forward to it exactly for the same reasons, but c'mon, it's been only 9 months since A7r's announcement!
flyfisher99
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I'm using the 7r
Each new model will be better than the previous. I used the nex 7 before, and the 7r is much better in auto focus. The shutter is loud, and if used with light long lenses there will be vibrations. I have found it, but below 100mm it's a non issue. My grandpa was a photographer for national geographic, using a Pentax SLR, this shutter woukd wake the dead.
I also own a 5d2, but if you want the best 35mm currently available, go for it. Alternatively wait a year to get a6000 focus capability, or several more years to get more and new development.
Each new model will be better than the previous. I used the nex 7 before, and the 7r is much better in auto focus. The shutter is loud, and if used with light long lenses there will be vibrations. I have found it, but below 100mm it's a non issue. My grandpa was a photographer for national geographic, using a Pentax SLR, this shutter woukd wake the dead.
I also own a 5d2, but if you want the best 35mm currently available, go for it. Alternatively wait a year to get a6000 focus capability, or several more years to get more and new development.
The A7x cameras are high end, Soiny normaly updates the high end cameras not every year, so I expect a real update not befor the end of 2015.
I played this weekend with several Sony cameras and lenses during a Sony experience and found that the A7x cameras are not the fastest focussing cameras in the world, but they focus fast enough for many applications, so yes, the A6000 does a better job in focus tracking, but in single autofocussing (in good light ) they focussed not that different that it will make a lot of difference.
About the shutter shake, this is less of a problem as mirror shake is on real DSLRs, it is a real thing, but it is less of a problem as many people here make out of it.
So to answer your question: the new camera will not be out before end of 2015 (my opinion, Sony might make a fool out of me). When you want a fast focussing good tracking camera without shutter vibration go for the A6000 or for a real DSLR(but don't use liveview, as shutter vibration will be there too!
I played this weekend with several Sony cameras and lenses during a Sony experience and found that the A7x cameras are not the fastest focussing cameras in the world, but they focus fast enough for many applications, so yes, the A6000 does a better job in focus tracking, but in single autofocussing (in good light ) they focussed not that different that it will make a lot of difference.
About the shutter shake, this is less of a problem as mirror shake is on real DSLRs, it is a real thing, but it is less of a problem as many people here make out of it.
So to answer your question: the new camera will not be out before end of 2015 (my opinion, Sony might make a fool out of me). When you want a fast focussing good tracking camera without shutter vibration go for the A6000 or for a real DSLR(but don't use liveview, as shutter vibration will be there too!
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Your best bet is a new model that would focus on speed and not resolution. A fast AF needs to be coupled with a large buffer and frame rate and 36mpx would be too much (for now).
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A7 already is much better than the A7r with electronic first curtain shutter, making it quieter and with less vibration during the time the shutter is open. Same story with flash-sync.
Also I'm sure I've read at least one reviewer say that the A7s is quieter again than the A7 (ignoring silent shutter), although I'd love to find other confirmation.
Also I'm sure I've read at least one reviewer say that the A7s is quieter again than the A7 (ignoring silent shutter), although I'd love to find other confirmation.
sgoldswo
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To be honest, as an owner of a D800E and a A7R, the shutter vibration issues produces effects the same or just slightly worse than mirror slap in that camera. The biggest issue is that this is vibration caused by the shutter itself - in an A7R you can't switch to LV or MUP mode to mitigate the vibration like you can with a DSLR. The A7 removes this issue entirely and in my view is a better camera than the A7r for practical use.
All of that needs to be qualified by the fact that low shutter speed vibration isn't the end of the world, you are far more likely to have issues related to the photographer in most cases
flyfisher99
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A7R is way better with 36mp (compared to 24mp of A7) Also no AA filter for much sharper images, and full metal build (rather than A7 plastic)
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in fact both us are right, if you want ultimate image quality go for 7R. Ultimate low light 7S, A7 is the most balanced body. For me i wanted the ultimate IQ, and ready to perfect my knowledge accordingly, actually love the feeling that I (the photographer) is the variable these days. The 7R is harder to use, so if you are just a weekend snap-shooter you wouldn't like it. It has made me a better photographer though, and the images i am getting blow my 5Dc and 5D2 away.
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sgoldswo
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Yes, but 36 mp and no AA filter are no use if you've missed the shot because the subject has moved slightly due to lag or if you have vibration. I actually think the lag/slow AF in the A7R is much worse than the vibration, but still I struggle with the idea its a "better" camera than the A7. I don't believe the AA filter in the A7 is very strong anyway, its certainly capable of incredibly sharp images. I challenge anyone to detect the fact some parts in the A7 are plastic compared to the A7R (the A7 feels more solid if anything, I think because its just slightly heavier).A7R is way better with 36mp (compared to 24mp of A7) Also no AA filter for much sharper images, and full metal build (rather than A7 plastic)
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The A7R can make great pictures, but I'm not happy with the compromises around that. It strikes me very much like the early firmware X-Pro1, a beta camera put into mass production.
My A7R is likely to be ebayed soon, I plan to keep my A7 for a while.
flyfisher99
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Actually agree with you, it takes more of the photographer for sure. But all brands have compromises these days, or the last few days. I see on your Flickr page you use the D800? This is a great camera, but the compromises of 36mp there are slow frame rate and somewhat greenish WB preference (used D700 for many years and upgraded) I have found that the Grip for A7r takes away the issues of shutter shake completely.Yes, but 36 mp and no AA filter are no use if you've missed the shot because the subject has moved slightly due to lag or if you have vibration. I actually think the lag/slow AF in the A7R is much worse than the vibration, but still I struggle with the idea its a "better" camera than the A7. I don't believe the AA filter in the A7 is very strong anyway, its certainly capable of incredibly sharp images. I challenge anyone to detect the fact some parts in the A7 are plastic compared to the A7R (the A7 feels more solid if anything, I think because its just slightly heavier).A7R is way better with 36mp (compared to 24mp of A7) Also no AA filter for much sharper images, and full metal build (rather than A7 plastic)
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The A7R can make great pictures, but I'm not happy with the compromises around that. It strikes me very much like the early firmware X-Pro1, a beta camera put into mass production.
My A7R is likely to be ebayed soon, I plan to keep my A7 for a while.
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I aslo shoot a 5d2 for instance, this is almost USELESS for auto focus (basically use the same auto focus motor as 5Dc, which is 8 years old) which sucks. But great images.
guess the only perfect cams are 1dx and d4, ohh wait, they dont have wifi
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