Mirrorless & DSLR Weight Comparison

My DSLR is little heavy at close to a lb. However, going mirrorless is not going to save much weight at all. Just get a D5300 instead and use the same lens. Mirrorless camera might be thinner making it hard to grip, but weight is about the same just looking at the numbers.

Am I missing something or is something more to the weights comparison.
I don't care what you use or why. I enjoyed using my DSLR, and I enjoy using my E-M10. For me, there is a noticeable difference in size and weight, but that isn't why I bought it. I like 4/3 systems overall.

You just go ahead and use whatever you want, I don't give a rip.
 
The small weight difference doesn't matter much. It's the total M43 package which has less usable ergonomics. The smaller size with almost the same weight is less comfortable to handle. The EVF isn't as natural as the OVF with its limited dynamic range and odd look.

After getting past the human factors issues you have to make excuses for the less than stellar low light performance and lesser image quality. Finally there is a limitation in lens choices. Sorry, M43 lags in these areas no matter what you tell yourself.

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Am I missing something or is something more to the weights comparison.
To me weight is a factor, but size is even more important. I can put my EOS M with 22mm f/2 in my pocket. My D7000 + 35mm f/1.8 has no hope of fitting in even the largest of pockets.
 
For the camera, a light DSLR is not that much heavier than mirrorless APS-C. Not a huge amount of savings there as far as weight is concerned. See below.



This is my conclusion:

My DSLR is little heavy at close to a lb. However, going mirrorless is not going to save much weight at all. Just get a D5300 instead and use the same lens. Mirrorless camera might be thinner making it hard to grip, but weight is about the same just looking at the numbers.

Am I missing something or is something more to the weights comparison.
Your comparison may be relevant to your specific uses. I did detailed comparisons between my Nikon DX gear and m43 gear for my uses and found weight savings that really mattered. My comparisons:

Nikon D7000 + Sigma 150mm macro - 3.72 lb. for my macro/closeup setup. With a tripod and a grip head it is 9.46 lb.

Panasonic G6 + Olympus 60mm macro - 1.34 lb. With a light head and tripod, just under 4 lbs. With an even lighter tripod and head, the total is 3 lbs.

For a wildlife setup, the difference was even bigger.

Nikon D7000 + Nikon F4 300mm lens + 1.4x Teleconverter for wildlife pictures - 5.3 lbs.

G6 + 100-300mm lens - just under 2 lbs.

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I agree that a D5x00 series body is effective in keeping the weight down. However, the lenses may still be heavier than m43 equivalents.

My wife was using a Nikon D5000 + Tamron 90mm macro lens which weighed 2.1 lbs. for closeup shots. I could have stolen her setup and foisted my heavier gear on her. There wasn't an easy way out for the wildlife gear. Her D5000 + Sigma 150-500mm lens was 5.4 lbs.

I chose to move to m43 systems for both of us. Focus peaking and other EVF features have been as important as weight savings.

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I think the part you're missing is owning the systems in that chart and taking them both on the daily. It's a big difference. Especially using high quality glass. I'm not sure how long your gigs are, but sometimes going 8 hours in a day can be quite daunting.
Most people don't use a dslr 8 hours a day, this is not the norm when shooting photography.

For the pros that do uses cameras 8 hrs a day, they usually use pro or FF cameras with no issue. I think this point is moot.
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For instance, why show the top Olympus models, but not the top models from Canon and Nikon? That would pit the E-M1 against the very large D800 or D4s. Not fair, right?

Ok, how about just the E-M10 against the DX format D7100 with nearly equivalent lenses:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#440.322,521.412,ha,t

The E-M10, with the excellent 12-40/2.8 lens on it weighs only 17 grams more than just the 17-55 Nikon lens. And, the 12-40 is stabilized on the E-M10.

This is the sort of comparisons people make when switching. It's the sort I made when I switched.

[edit: sorry, I meant to reply to the OP]

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If you can afford it, I think it's nice to have both mirrorless and DSLR gear. I really like having that choice. But if you can only afford one or the other, it just depends on what kind of shooting you do, and what your priorities are. Eventually, I'd love to dump all my DSLR gear, and go exclusively mirrorless. But mirrorless isn't quite there yet. So until then, I use both. Each has its pros and cons.
^This explains my recent change of heart.

It's more than weight, it's size. This isn't meant as a definitive comparison since everyone is different, but it's the one comparison that matters to me.
If you are concerned with size or weight or both, take the grip off the nikon when not using it for work. It will be a lot smaller. When you do the size difference is not that big. if you want a sony a6000 because you need a new toy great. But the reality the size is not that different when you compare camera to camera and not a grip.
Size matters
Size matters
 
Size is one of the only reason to buy these cameras and if you try to prove that it is not the different in size and weight, they will get upset because you question their purchase.
In almost every conversation, it is always brought up that Mirrorless is lighter than DSLR. You can save weight by going mirrorless. Quick search of the forum will show many such advise. I have always consider mirrorless to replace DSLR as well. With the fast focus Sony a6000, seems like the gap is closing.

I have been looking closely at a mirrorless APS-C system, and how much lighter they are. Micro 4/3 are definitely small, but they are just lacking for low light situation that I find myself in. In the last two weeks, one was at a dance, and another at an aquarium. Not happy with the high ISO pictures. If you have remote flash and possibly reflectors and an assistant, you can make a beautiful picture, but I don't want to go thru that effort in those particular situations.

Here are two graphs that shows the weight comparison: Source .

For the camera, a light DSLR is not that much heavier than mirrorless APS-C. Not a huge amount of savings there as far as weight is concerned. See below.

Mirrorless vs DSLR Weight Comparison
Mirrorless vs DSLR Weight Comparison

Lens:

For the fast f2.8 mid range zoom weight are about the same for Mirrorless and DSLR. That is what I typically use. Nothing gained there. The only exception is for the slower 16-50mm f3.5-5.6 where mirrorless is half the weight. However, if you compare the exact zoom range of 18-55mm f3.5-5.6, the mirrorless lens is exactly the same as DSLR lens. There are no difference unless you count the worst case 40g (about the weight of my car keys) as difference.

Note that for tele zoom that goes up to 200mm, there is also minimal weight difference also.

Mirrorless Lens vs DSLR Lens Weight Comparison
Mirrorless Lens vs DSLR Lens Weight Comparison

This is my conclusion:

My DSLR is little heavy at close to a lb. However, going mirrorless is not going to save much weight at all. Just get a D5300 instead and use the same lens. Mirrorless camera might be thinner making it hard to grip, but weight is about the same just looking at the numbers.

Am I missing something or is something more to the weights comparison.
 
Am I missing something or is something more to the weights comparison.
To me weight is a factor, but size is even more important. I can put my EOS M with 22mm f/2 in my pocket. My D7000 + 35mm f/1.8 has no hope of fitting in even the largest of pockets.
One feels good in your pocket, one feels good in your hand. I prefer it to fit my hand and small cameras do not do that. I can put the camera in a bag, a backpack, whatever but it must be comfortable and easy to hold in my hand. That is what is important to me.
 
When my wife and I used to go to the park, I wouldn't bring my DSLR, because it meant bringing my camera bag along with everything else on our 1.5 mile walk to the park. Now I just toss the a6000 in our blanket/beach towel bag and call it good.
That's not an advantage of the camera being different, that is the advantage of not bringing other stuff. This is part of the discussion that confuses me. People talk about how much lighter the mirrorless is, compared to their entire camera bag. You can just carry your DSLR, without the whole bag of lenses and other high quality stuff, and it will be lighter too. That's what I do. My camera bag usually makes it as far as the car, but when I arrive at where I am going, I leave the bag behind, bringing only the camera, and the lens mounted on it. On rare occasion I put a lens in a belt pouch.

Looking at the numbers, yes, there is a difference, and if you express it in percents, it looks like a lot. I don't intuitively grasp grams, so I convert, and the difference is a few ounces, maybe as much as seven ounces. I have a 16 ounce bottled water here, it's just not that much weight. A bag full of them would get heavy, but that's a different matter. Especially if you, like one of my friends, get MORE stuff to carry around, because it is lighter. It's funny, he complains about the weight of his stuff, often, despite having the mirrorless system, because he is lugging around that bag of stuff, and I don't complain about camera weight, despite having one of the heaviest camera bodies available. I try to tell him, he should get a full frame DSLR like mine, but he's not interested.
 
Same size sensor using the same sensor technology will need the same amount of light for a given F stop/focal length. Mirrorless does not alter the laws of physics.

There are some size savings on ultrawides: the short registration distance negates the need for a retrofocal design. Arguably, the mirrorless mount APS lenses will be a bit lighter and smaller than legacy film lenses adapted to a DSLR: the latest mirrorless lenses have an image circle optimized for the smaller than 35mm sensor.

Otherwise, no, the lenses probably won't be substantially lighter for the same size sensor, because the same amount of light will be needed, so the same size/weight of glass will be needed.

There are some other advantages - the more slender package doesn't stick out as far when it's looped over your shoulder. You just aren't as aware you're carrying photo gear, it doesn't intrude on your other activities as much.

The latest EVF's have some very interesting preview options that OVF's can't do, while their image quality is good enough that the OVF doesn't have quite the resolution and clarity advantage it once had. Plus, they boost their output when the light gets dim.
 
Adding a single µ4/3 camera in the comparison including the lens would reveal some real difference. Of course it's OK if you feel µ4/3 sensor too small for you, but when people refer to mirrorless, they very often mean µ4/3 and sometimes Nikon 1 or even Pentax Q. Those all have smaller than APS-C sensors and thus smaller total camera size (including camera size + lens).
 
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Am I missing something or is something more to the weights comparison.
To me weight is a factor, but size is even more important. I can put my EOS M with 22mm f/2 in my pocket. My D7000 + 35mm f/1.8 has no hope of fitting in even the largest of pockets.
One feels good in your pocket, one feels good in your hand. I prefer it to fit my hand and small cameras do not do that. I can put the camera in a bag, a backpack, whatever but it must be comfortable and easy to hold in my hand. That is what is important to me.
Yup, I agree. I agree that everyone has different needs. I value being able to put my EOS M in my pocket and not have to worry about it while I am dealing with other logistical issues involved in being outside of my house with my family.
 
I think the part you're missing is owning the systems in that chart and taking them both on the daily. It's a big difference. Especially using high quality glass. I'm not sure how long your gigs are, but sometimes going 8 hours in a day can be quite daunting.
Most people don't use a dslr 8 hours a day, this is not the norm when shooting photography.
Most people use their cameras when traveling. If I am on tour in Paris or St Petersburg, I WILL have the camera literally on me 8 hours a day or more, and the weight makes a difference after a day of touring. Also, what you can fit into your carry-on luggage with everything else you need in there also differs a great deal, even with one lens, let alone 2 or more. You can check out the sizes and prices of E-M5+12-50+40-150 vs, say, 70D+15-85+55-250, which will give you approximately the same abilities.

And of course unfailing speed and precision of CDAF in modern m43 cameras and convenience of EVF with multiple focus and exposure aids, real-time WB preview etc cannot be overestimated. Simply much fewer headaches, especially for JPEG shooters who will not spend many days after the trip reprocessing all the thousands of their pictures from RAWs.
 
Simply much fewer headaches, especially for JPEG shooters who will not spend many days after the trip reprocessing all the thousands of their pictures from RAWs.
By the way, how do people actually shoot JPEG-only on a DSLR? I am sure it's possible but... It's not just you don't see the image on EVF as it would be directly BEFORE you take the image, but you don't see it automatically AFTERWARDS, either? I don't get what's the point of high burst rate (jpeg-only) if you have no idea how the images look like, e.g. if they are all blurred? On a bright light you remove your eye from the OVF and look the LCD and the histograms and try to see if the colors are right? Or do you always use a gray card?

My point is not that DSLR's are bad, but that the way of shooting is very different on a DSLR and a mirrorless. Ultimately, these camera types should not be compared directly.

Just to make sure, I am a mirrorless user and shoot mostly RAW.
 
Simply much fewer headaches, especially for JPEG shooters who will not spend many days after the trip reprocessing all the thousands of their pictures from RAWs.
By the way, how do people actually shoot JPEG-only on a DSLR? I am sure it's possible but... It's not just you don't see the image on EVF as it would be directly BEFORE you take the image, but you don't see it automatically AFTERWARDS, either? I don't get what's the point of high burst rate (jpeg-only) if you have no idea how the images look like, e.g. if they are all blurred? On a bright light you remove your eye from the OVF and look the LCD and the histograms and try to see if the colors are right? Or do you always use a gray card?
Chimping all the time, like it's 1999. :)
 
In almost every conversation, it is always brought up that Mirrorless is lighter than DSLR. You can save weight by going mirrorless. Quick search of the forum will show many such advise. I have always consider mirrorless to replace DSLR as well. With the fast focus Sony a6000, seems like the gap is closing.

I have been looking closely at a mirrorless APS-C system, and how much lighter they are. ...

For the camera, a light DSLR is not that much heavier than mirrorless APS-C.
A CanonT5i body is 236g heavier than a Sony A6000, given that the Sony only weights 344g to begin with, that's a big difference.
Just get a D5300 instead and use the same lens.
A D5300 is still almost 6 oz heavier than some small mirrorless (E-M10, A6000, X-E2).
Mirrorless camera might be thinner making it hard to grip, but weight is about the same just looking at the numbers.
See numbers below.
Am I missing something or is something more to the weights comparison.
** Camera and a Fast Wide-Zoom Lens **

Olympus E-M10 + 12-40/2.8 • 782g
Sony A6000 + 16-70/4 • 652g
Fuji X-E2 + 18-55/2.8-4 • 660g

vs

Sony A65 + 16-50/2.8 • 1200g
Pentax K3 + 16-50/2.8 • 1365g
Nikon D5300 + 17-55/2.8 • 1235g
Nikon D7100 + 17-55/2.8 • 1520g
Canon 70D + 17-55/2.8 • 1400g

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** Camera with step-up kit-type lens **

Olympus E-M10 + 12-50 • 611g
Sony A6000 + 18-105/4 • 826g
Fuji X-E2 + 18-135 • 840g

vs

Sony A65 + 18-135 • 1019g
Pentax K3 + 18-135 • 1221g
Nikon D5300 + 18-140 • 970g
Nikon D7100 + 18-140 • 1165g
Canon 70D + 18-135 • 1235g

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** Camera and Kit Lens **

Olympus E-M10 + 14-42 II R • 513g
Sony A6000 + 16-50 • 460g
Fuji X-A1 + 16-50 • 525g

vs

Sony A65 + 18-55 • 844g
Nikon D5300 + 18-55 • 675g
Canon T5i + 18-55 • 730g
Pentax K50 + 18-55 • 905g
Canon 70D + 18-55 • 960g

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** Camera and All-in-one Lens **

Olympus E-M10 + 14-150 • 680g
Sony A6000 + SEL18-200 • 868g

vs

Sony A65 + 18-250 • 1062g
Pentax K50 + 18-270 • 1103g
Nikon D5300 + 18-200 • 1040g
Canon T5i + 18-200 • 1090g

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People will see what they want to see in numbers, for some, if the weight difference isn't 3x then it's no big deal, for others, a tiny difference 20g could be life altering. I've had 3 DSLRs and 2 Mirrorless ILC cameras. I like the size of the ILCs better. I know the DSLRs offer more lenses, accessories, etc, but I don't need most of that, YMMV. I've never owned more than 3 lenses at time. And pretty much every system out there has the ones I'd use anyway. If you like the SLR look/feel then get one. My E-M10 kit, to me, is tiny and weightless compared with my A65; it takes great photos and will now go with me more places because of it's smaller size/weight.
 
If you can afford it, I think it's nice to have both mirrorless and DSLR gear. I really like having that choice. But if you can only afford one or the other, it just depends on what kind of shooting you do, and what your priorities are. Eventually, I'd love to dump all my DSLR gear, and go exclusively mirrorless. But mirrorless isn't quite there yet. So until then, I use both. Each has its pros and cons.
^This explains my recent change of heart.

It's more than weight, it's size. This isn't meant as a definitive comparison since everyone is different, but it's the one comparison that matters to me.
If you are concerned with size or weight or both, take the grip off the nikon when not using it for work. It will be a lot smaller. When you do the size difference is not that big. if you want a sony a6000 because you need a new toy great. But the reality the size is not that different when you compare camera to camera and not a grip.
Size matters
Size matters
Funny, I'm a DSLR user. Have been for years and years and wil continue to be. However, I'm not going to hide my head in the sand and pretend there isn't a difference in size compared to mirrorless. I can and will happily shoot both. I purchased the a6000 because I need occasional video for work. I don't buy toys or fall for the latest and greatest gear. If I did, I wouldn't still have a D700.

But to your point - sure if you take the grip off the D700 is smaller. But it's still much larger than the a6000.

D700 without grip compared to a6000.

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It's even more lopsided when you consider thickness.

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When my wife and I used to go to the park, I wouldn't bring my DSLR, because it meant bringing my camera bag along with everything else on our 1.5 mile walk to the park. Now I just toss the a6000 in our blanket/beach towel bag and call it good.
That's not an advantage of the camera being different, that is the advantage of not bringing other stuff. This is part of the discussion that confuses me. People talk about how much lighter the mirrorless is, compared to their entire camera bag. You can just carry your DSLR, without the whole bag of lenses and other high quality stuff, and it will be lighter too. That's what I do. My camera bag usually makes it as far as the car, but when I arrive at where I am going, I leave the bag behind, bringing only the camera, and the lens mounted on it. On rare occasion I put a lens in a belt pouch.

Looking at the numbers, yes, there is a difference, and if you express it in percents, it looks like a lot. I don't intuitively grasp grams, so I convert, and the difference is a few ounces, maybe as much as seven ounces. I have a 16 ounce bottled water here, it's just not that much weight. A bag full of them would get heavy, but that's a different matter. Especially if you, like one of my friends, get MORE stuff to carry around, because it is lighter. It's funny, he complains about the weight of his stuff, often, despite having the mirrorless system, because he is lugging around that bag of stuff, and I don't complain about camera weight, despite having one of the heaviest camera bodies available. I try to tell him, he should get a full frame DSLR like mine, but he's not interested.
Here's the thing, I decide if it makes a difference to me. If I'm not working, I only carry one camera and one small prime lens, occasionally I will carry an alternate prime.

When I'm already carrying two bags of stuff to the park or the beach, I don't usually choose to carry my DSLR (either in a bag or hanging off my shoulder). It's just more stuff. But, when I can squeeze the little Sony in between our blanket and towels in a stuffed bag I already have to carry, it's a difference.

It's not necessarily the weight as I'll happily carry my Hasselblad all day or drag my huge 8x10 and heavy wooden tripod up and down subway steps. The small Sony just doesn't feel like anything extra when I'm already carrying a bunch of stuff. I can even toss it into my wife's bag or purse and she doesn't even notice it. Can't say that about my D700.

This doesn't affect my relationship with my FF DSLR. It's still one of my favorite cameras ever, but I don't have to carry it everywhere when the Sony gets the job done.
 

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