S602Zoom Grainy Pics

Armando Caro · Jun 19, 2003

I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it. All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

hooverfocus · Jun 19, 2003

Armando Caro said:
I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it.
All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what
settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out
worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

Am not a pro so feel free to ignore my post.

Anyway, have you tried changing the ISO settings ? In the Fuji one you used ISO-200, in the Nikon it was ISO-100. Try shooting at ISO-160 with the Fuji (the lowest) and see if you get better results. Also, keep in mind that in one you used flash while in the other not; I do believe it gives different results. Try shooting either with or without flash in both cameras, then compare.

Consider also that pictures are most likely to be grainier when shot in low light.

I hope you'll get better result hence be pleased with your purchase. I find the 602 an overall fine camera !

-Sabine
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Rasmus Soerensen · Jun 19, 2003

It's obvious that you need to use a flash on that pic, the shutterspeed is way too low without in the poor light. Try the flash and I will promise you a huge difference in image quality. Hey, it's just basic knowledge to use flash indoor in poor light.

Armando Caro said:
I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it.
All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what
settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out
worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

--
s602... gotta love it!

Timothy Dunnigan · Jun 19, 2003

Hello Armando,

I agree with the previous poster. The EXIF indicates a shutter speed of 1/4 sec. not only is it grainy, but it is blurred from the slow shutter speed. Also, the EXIF indicates that the Exposure Status is "Bad". You need more light or a flash. The ISO will help a bit at 160, but that's not the primary issue.

Also, you are better off if you do not link full-size images to your posts. Those with dial-up connections won't wait for the image to display. If you add a semi-colon to the end of the link to your photos, the link will appear (see below) and give people the option to open the photo or not.

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.helpforfamilies.com/photos/index.htm
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/

Armando Caro said:
I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it.
All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what
settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out
worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0001.JPG

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCN4029.JPG

Armando Caro · Jun 19, 2003

Timothy and others: Thanks for help. The pics are better when I turn on flash, but they are not as good as I would expect. The flash should be stronger than my compact Nikon Coolpix 775. Maybe since the Nikon uses 100 ISO, it's doing better? I tried playing with the ISO settings

160 ISO:
http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0007.JPG

200 ISO:
http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0008.JPG

400 ISO:
http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0009.JPG

Reply below...

Timothy Dunnigan said:
Hello Armando,
I agree with the previous poster. The EXIF indicates a shutter
speed of 1/4 sec. not only is it grainy, but it is blurred from the
slow shutter speed. Also, the EXIF indicates that the Exposure
Status is "Bad". You need more light or a flash. The ISO will help
a bit at 160, but that's not the primary issue.

The thing is that I thought the room was well lit enough to not need flash.So in low light conditions, low ISO, fast shutter, and flash should help... right?

Btw, How do you check the EXIF of a picture without using the camera? How did you check them for my pics?

Timothy Dunnigan said:
Also, you are better off if you do not link full-size images to
your posts. Those with dial-up connections won't wait for the image
to display. If you add a semi-colon to the end of the link to your
photos, the link will appear (see below) and give people the option
to open the photo or not.

Ok, thanks for suggestion.

Timothy Dunnigan said:
Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.helpforfamilies.com/photos/index.htm
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/

Armando Caro said:

I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it.
All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what
settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out
worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0001.JPG

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCN4029.JPG

Click to expand...

Timothy Dunnigan · Jun 19, 2003

Hello Armando,

You are getting closer. The difference between ISO 160 and 100 will be a bit of a factor. Also, we don't know how the brightness of the onboard flash of the Nikon compares to the Fuji. The S602's flash is good for only a few meters. You can boost the output of the flash through the Photography Menu setting. However, most here with the S602 use an external flash as they produce far greater light. I only use the onboard flash in fill-flash situations.
Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.helpforfamilies.com/photos/index.htm
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/

Armando Caro said:
160 ISO:
http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0007.JPG

200 ISO:
http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0008.JPG

400 ISO:
http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0009.JPG

Reply below...

Timothy Dunnigan said:

Hello Armando,
I agree with the previous poster. The EXIF indicates a shutter
speed of 1/4 sec. not only is it grainy, but it is blurred from the
slow shutter speed. Also, the EXIF indicates that the Exposure
Status is "Bad". You need more light or a flash. The ISO will help
a bit at 160, but that's not the primary issue.

Click to expand...

The thing is that I thought the room was well lit enough to not
need flash.So in low light conditions, low ISO, fast shutter, and
flash should help... right?

Btw, How do you check the EXIF of a picture without using the
camera? How did you check them for my pics?

Armando Caro said:

Also, you are better off if you do not link full-size images to
your posts. Those with dial-up connections won't wait for the image
to display. If you add a semi-colon to the end of the link to your
photos, the link will appear (see below) and give people the option
to open the photo or not.

Click to expand...

Ok, thanks for suggestion.

Armando Caro said:

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.helpforfamilies.com/photos/index.htm
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/

Armando Caro said:

I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it.
All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what
settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out
worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0001.JPG

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCN4029.JPG

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Armando Caro · Jun 19, 2003

Timothy Dunnigan said:
Hello Armando,

You are getting closer. The difference between ISO 160 and 100 will
be a bit of a factor. Also, we don't know how the brightness of the
onboard flash of the Nikon compares to the Fuji.

Yeah, that's true.

Timothy Dunnigan said:
The S602's flash
is good for only a few meters. You can boost the output of the
flash through the Photography Menu setting.

Thanks a lot! Tried that, and that worked MUCH better:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0011.JPG

Timothy Dunnigan said:
However, most here with
the S602 use an external flash as they produce far greater light. I
only use the onboard flash in fill-flash situations.

Yeah, I haven't invested in an external flash yet, but the situation is a fill-flash situation (I thought).

Timothy Dunnigan said:
Timothy Dunnigan said:

Timothy Dunnigan said:

The EXIF indicates a shutter speed of 1/4 sec.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

How do you check the EXIF of a picture without using the camera? How did you check them for my pics?

Thanks,
Armando

Ron AKA · Jun 19, 2003

Armando Caro said:
How do you check the EXIF of a picture without using the camera?
How did you check them for my pics?

Just right click on the photo and save to your computer. Then open the file with a program that displays EXIF data such as FinePixViewer that came with your s602.

Ron

VBall · Jun 19, 2003

Armando,

btw, what quality are you shooting your pics at? if you haven't already, choose "fine".

Jimmy

Armando Caro said:
I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it.
All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what
settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out
worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0001.JPG

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCN4029.JPG

Armando Caro · Jun 19, 2003

Cool, thanks. I didn't notice that functionality in FinePixViewer.

Ron AKA said:
Armando Caro said:

How do you check the EXIF of a picture without using the camera?
How did you check them for my pics?

Click to expand...

Just right click on the photo and save to your computer. Then open
the file with a program that displays EXIF data such as
FinePixViewer that came with your s602.

Ron

Armando Caro · Jun 19, 2003

Yeah, I used "fine". Thanks for checking though.

VBall said:
btw, what quality are you shooting your pics at? if you haven't
already, choose "fine".

Jimmy

Armando Caro said:

I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it.
All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what
settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out
worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0001.JPG

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCN4029.JPG

Click to expand...

Timothy Dunnigan · Jun 19, 2003

Hi again,

I'm glad you're seeing better results.

I forgot the EXIF part of the question.
Use this link to download ExifRead.
It's a fantastic, free utility.
http://www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/minisoft/exifread/english/
I saved your photos to my computer and dragged them onto this utility.

Timothy

Armando Caro said:
Timothy Dunnigan said:

Hello Armando,

You are getting closer. The difference between ISO 160 and 100 will
be a bit of a factor. Also, we don't know how the brightness of the
onboard flash of the Nikon compares to the Fuji.

Click to expand...

Yeah, that's true.

Armando Caro said:

The S602's flash
is good for only a few meters. You can boost the output of the
flash through the Photography Menu setting.

Click to expand...

Thanks a lot! Tried that, and that worked MUCH better:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0011.JPG

Armando Caro said:

However, most here with
the S602 use an external flash as they produce far greater light. I
only use the onboard flash in fill-flash situations.

Click to expand...

Yeah, I haven't invested in an external flash yet, but the
situation is a fill-flash situation (I thought).

Armando Caro said:

Armando Caro said:

Armando Caro said:

The EXIF indicates a shutter speed of 1/4 sec.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

How do you check the EXIF of a picture without using the camera?
How did you check them for my pics?

Thanks,
Armando

Gerwyn Gibbs · Jun 20, 2003

I have to agree with others who have replied to your post, that the grain is caused by low light and slow, very slow, shutter speed. In fact the capture under those conditions is not too bad, certainly as good as you would get with film under such conditions. Take the camera outside and shot on 6mp fine, the images with the 602 will be quite stunning. Given two images printed and placed side by side it is quite difficult to tell the difference between the 602 at 6mp and my S2 at 12.

Just one more thing, downsize your web images to 850 pixels wide, big enough for all to see but a lot quicker to download.

gibbsy
http://www.pbase.com/gibbsy

sydney21 · Jun 20, 2003

Timothy Dunnigan said:
I'm glad you're seeing better results.

I forgot the EXIF part of the question.
Use this link to download ExifRead.
It's a fantastic, free utility.
http://www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/minisoft/exifread/english/
I saved your photos to my computer and dragged them onto this utility.

Timothy

Armando Caro said:

Timothy Dunnigan said:

Hello Armando,

You are getting closer. The difference between ISO 160 and 100 will
be a bit of a factor. Also, we don't know how the brightness of the
onboard flash of the Nikon compares to the Fuji.

Click to expand...

Yeah, that's true.

Timothy Dunnigan said:

The S602's flash
is good for only a few meters. You can boost the output of the
flash through the Photography Menu setting.

Click to expand...

Thanks a lot! Tried that, and that worked MUCH better:

http://www.cis.udel.edu/~acaro/pics/test/DSCF0011.JPG

Timothy Dunnigan said:

However, most here with
the S602 use an external flash as they produce far greater light. I
only use the onboard flash in fill-flash situations.

Click to expand...

Yeah, I haven't invested in an external flash yet, but the
situation is a fill-flash situation (I thought).

Timothy Dunnigan said:

Timothy Dunnigan said:

Timothy Dunnigan said:

The EXIF indicates a shutter speed of 1/4 sec.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

How do you check the EXIF of a picture without using the camera?
How did you check them for my pics?

Thanks,
Armando

Click to expand...

cgripp · Jun 20, 2003

one more thing to check might be the sharpening setting. Search the forums on the LENGTHY discussions on which to use and why.

Suffice it to say that if you are using hard or normal the in camera sharpening may accentuate the noise. When using soft the pics may appear to be slightly less crisp to you but the use of a postprocessing sharpening tool works much better than the in camera versions and there is some debate over how much of the original picture quality is maintained when not using soft.

Chris

rustedborg · Jun 20, 2003

Armando,

I just saw this thread and finished reading all the posts here. I hate to say it, but I think you may have a broken camera.

Unless you are SERIOUSLY messing with the settings on your S602 the pictures should not have that much noise and lack of detail. It's good that many people in this forum suggested that you check your camera settings, but these images are so bad that I thought you must have put a layer of Vasaline on the lens.

My old Fuji 4900 delivers images with less noise and more detail than this ... so I think your S602 is ill. You may need to return it to the store or send it to Fuji for repair.

I'm sorry you had trouble with your camera.

Armando Caro said:
I have had my S602Zoom for 2 days now, but I am unhappy with it.
All the pics are grainy. They graininess remains no matter what
settings I use and what the subject is. Even the 3MP pics come out
worse than the same picture taken on my Nikon Coolpix 775 at 2MP!

Anyone else have the same problem?

FujiFilm FinePix S602Zoom on auto @ 3MP:

Nikon Coolpix 775 on auto @ 2MP:

Bill Brosen · Jun 20, 2003

My s602 produced blurry, grainy photos almost all the time 99.9 percent as a matter of fact, aftyer showing some pics to the fuji folks they had me send mine in, should be back before the 4th of july celebrations

http://www.pbase.com/wbrosen/photoart

Boo · Jun 20, 2003

cgripp said:
Suffice it to say that if you are using hard or normal the in
camera sharpening may accentuate the noise. When using soft the
pics may appear to be slightly less crisp to you but the use of a
postprocessing sharpening tool works much better than the in camera
versions and there is some debate over how much of the original
picture quality is maintained when not using soft.

I have certainly found (having been very sceptical at first when recommended to try it myself for other types of work) that the soft sharpening at low light/high ISO considerably improves the noise situation - I use soft as a matter of course now and of the last batches of live music shots I have only felt it necessary to use NeatImage on a handful of shots. I really does seem to help.

--
Fuji S602Z and 2800Z
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music photos
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk/lowlight.html - live music photography tutorial

MikeBee · Jun 20, 2003

rustedborg said:
Armando,
I just saw this thread and finished reading all the posts here. I
hate to say it, but I think you may have a broken camera.

Unless you are SERIOUSLY messing with the settings on your S602 the
pictures should not have that much noise and lack of detail. It's
good that many people in this forum suggested that you check your
camera settings, but these images are so bad that I thought you
must have put a layer of Vasaline on the lens.

My old Fuji 4900 delivers images with less noise and more detail
than this ... so I think your S602 is ill. You may need to return
it to the store or send it to Fuji for repair.

I'm sorry you had trouble with your camera.

I must disagree, I can easily make such bad pics from my properly functional 602 at these settings ! I think that 602 has the potential for making worse pics than a 4900 or 6900 ( which I have had) under bad conditions, peversely due to noise reduction which can make things worse by clumping together blobs of same coloured pixels

my 2 cents

Mike Bee

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