alexisgreat
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I just found this moon shot, HS20 + Raynox 2.2x. Doesn't look half bad- maybe a little soft but what do you expect at over 1500mm?
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Is the Raynox 2.2x all that bad?
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J o m s
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I guess the only issue with Raynox lenses are the corner sharpness and CA. Center is sharp and decent from what I have seen in many shots.
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alexisgreat
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As you have stated though Joms, when using TC center sharpness matters much more.
Here are larger versions of the images I found
that one was cropped hs20+raynox 2.2x- still looking good in the center as you said
uncropped hs20+raynox 2.2x
for reference- the hs20 by itself
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Here are larger versions of the images I found
that one was cropped hs20+raynox 2.2x- still looking good in the center as you said
uncropped hs20+raynox 2.2x
for reference- the hs20 by itself
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alexisgreat
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BTW Joms. PR did some tests since he has both the HS20 and the HS50 and the HS20+Canon 58A combo he said produces a very similar image scale to the HS50 at 1,000mm and the resolution is also very similar. Because of the big front element on that TC, you actually gain a third of a stop of light so the camera actually becomes a 24mm-1000mm f/2.8-5.0 lens. It also does very well on the HS50, and that combo would be 1,500mm f/5.0
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darobin1
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I picked one up to use with my HS50 -- so far so good. Here are some results:
Turtles - Great Falls
Kayakers - Great Falls
Kayakers - Great Falls
Blue Heron - Great Falls
Turtles - Great Falls
Kayakers - Great Falls
Kayakers - Great Falls
Blue Heron - Great Falls
Orion12
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Hi Alex,
I used to have a Raynox DCR-2020 Pro and SOLD IT ! ( It was a Good Fantasy but that's All )
The Following BOLD Specs are From the Raynox Site and Actually TELL the Story. . .
There is no quality difference between DCR-2020PRO and DCR-2025PRO lens. ( 2.2x TC )
High-Resolution 260-Line/mm
The Kicker is the LOWER Lens Resolution. . . Which was ALWAYS Disappointing in Results !
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There is no difference in the quality of lens between DCR-1542PRO, DCR-1541PRO and DCR-1540PRO.
High-Resolution 340-line/mm
I STILL HAVE My Raynox 1540 Pro ( Earlier Model of the 1541 / 1542 ) which has the SAME 340-line/mm Spec & Is Killer GOOD. . .
I would Not have Assumed the SAME Company Made BOTH Models IF I hadn't Owned BOTH. . .
You will be FAR Better Off IQ Wise with a HS50EXR + 1540, 1541 or 1542 Pro. . .
That will Give You a CLEAN 1,000mm + 1.54x TC = 1,540mm CLEAN Optical and You can Add the 1.4 IDZ for 2,156mm CLEAN ->
That's Exactly How I Shot to ABOVE Moon Shot @ 2,156mm It's Pretty CLEAN imho
You can DEFINITELY SEE the Lower Quality of the 260-Line/mm Spec of the 2.2X Model
Looks GOOD on Paper BUT Not GOOD in Image Captures. . . ( Compared to 1540 + Images )
The 2.2x TC Lens was NOT Designed for the Newer Gen of Super-Zooms. It's Ok for Older Lower-Mag Video Cams ect. . .
You've Been Warned. . . I know I HAD to HAVE ONE - Before I Learned My Lesson. . .
Cheers from Orion
Orion12
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The ABOVE Raynox 2.2x TC Images are SOFT when Compared to Raynox 1540Pro 1.54x TC ImagesI picked one up to use with my HS50 -- so far so good. Here are some results:
Turtles - Great Falls
Kayakers - Great Falls
Kayakers - Great Falls
Blue Heron - Great Falls
The Raynox 2.2x has a Lens Resolution of 260-lines/mm VERSES the Raynox 1.54x TC @ 340-lines/mm. . . View the Below Pic in Original Size & You'll SEE the Difference. . .
HS50EXR + Raynox 1540 Pro 1.54x TC
Reality Check from Orion
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However, getting back to the Raynox 2.2x TC, it's terrible. Before I got rid of mine it produced noticeably inferior results compared with cameras that didn't use any TC at all. The Flickr photos you linked to only look good when viewed at their small web size. Look closer and the detail isn't nearly as impressive. It's mostly 'false detail' caused by shadows, which is what you see at the terminator. Move to other areas of the moon's surface and there's little to see. Here are crops of John's photos. The second is from the same photo, but John didn't crop it as much so more of the top of the moon is visible. In both you can see the terrible CA that the Raynox TC adds to its photos.
J o m s
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Looks good at web size. What is the point of shooting it at that FL if you will display the result at size similar or worse to a FL less than 1000mm.Hi Alex,
I used to have a Raynox DCR-2020 Pro and SOLD IT ! ( It was a Good Fantasy but that's All )
The Following BOLD Specs are From the Raynox Site and Actually TELL the Story. . .
There is no quality difference between DCR-2020PRO and DCR-2025PRO lens. ( 2.2x TC )
High-Resolution 260-Line/mm
The Kicker is the LOWER Lens Resolution. . . Which was ALWAYS Disappointing in Results !
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There is no difference in the quality of lens between DCR-1542PRO, DCR-1541PRO and DCR-1540PRO.
High-Resolution 340-line/mm
I STILL HAVE My Raynox 1540 Pro ( Earlier Model of the 1541 / 1542 ) which has the SAME 340-line/mm Spec & Is Killer GOOD. . .
I would Not have Assumed the SAME Company Made BOTH Models IF I hadn't Owned BOTH. . .
You will be FAR Better Off IQ Wise with a HS50EXR + 1540, 1541 or 1542 Pro. . .
That will Give You a CLEAN 1,000mm + 1.54x TC = 1,540mm CLEAN Optical and You can Add the 1.4 IDZ for 2,156mm CLEAN ->
That's Exactly How I Shot to ABOVE Moon Shot @ 2,156mm It's Prett
y CLEAN imho
You can DEFINITELY SEE the Lower Quality of the 260-Line/mm Spec of the 2.2X Model
Looks GOOD on Paper BUT Not GOOD in Image Captures. . . ( Compared to 1540 + Images )
The 2.2x TC Lens was NOT Designed for the Newer Gen of Super-Zooms. It's Ok for Older Lower-Mag Video Cams ect. . .
You've Been Warned. . . I know I HAD to HAVE ONE - Before I Learned My Lesson. . .
Cheers from Orion
alexisgreat
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Wow, that's horrible PR. In your tests, did the Canon have the lowest CA, followed by the Sony?
I found this
I dont like the look of the kit, Ive bought a few tele-converters and macro lenses for my HS10 and apart from the Sony VCL-DH1758 they have all been pretty poor, even offerings from canon and Raynox which was really annoying as everyone seems to rave about their raynox. The Sony actually improves picture quality, check this link, its a page Im meaning to expand a bit with several more comparisons
http://www.mysticshome.co.uk/hs10sony.html
those examples were all hand held, spur of the moment shots, I have been working on much better examples using a tripod or using my camera bag for support, I will get back to you on this. Most of the recent bird pics and a moon pic in my gallery were taken with the Sony attached, I dont have any pics good enough to show using any of the other tele-converters.
the second link seems to be dead unfortunately
I found this
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I dont like the look of the kit, Ive bought a few tele-converters and macro lenses for my HS10 and apart from the Sony VCL-DH1758 they have all been pretty poor, even offerings from canon and Raynox which was really annoying as everyone seems to rave about their raynox. The Sony actually improves picture quality, check this link, its a page Im meaning to expand a bit with several more comparisons
http://www.mysticshome.co.uk/hs10sony.html
those examples were all hand held, spur of the moment shots, I have been working on much better examples using a tripod or using my camera bag for support, I will get back to you on this. Most of the recent bird pics and a moon pic in my gallery were taken with the Sony attached, I dont have any pics good enough to show using any of the other tele-converters.
the second link seems to be dead unfortunately
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They were all pretty good, but I only examined the center of the frame. Going back and examining the left edge of the frame, the photo using the Sony 1758 shows a lot of CA but photos shot with the DC58A and with no TC didn't. Like so :
No TC.
Using Sony 1758 TC.
Using Canon DC58A TC.
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Is there anything worth considering there? I skimmed it pretty quickly and it didn't appear that there was any useful information.
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Firefox says "Sorry, We could not find www.mysticshome.co.uk".
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Oh, now you tell me.
And since you've seen what my V2 gets with the 300mm f/4 mounted, you know why I can never go back to a bridge camera with a TC. They all require a tripod to get usable photos at maximum zoom, and if I have to carry a decent tripod, carrying the extra weight of my 300mm f/4 isn't as onerous.
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alexisgreat
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Yes exactly! Maybe I just need to exercise more but after awhile, like an hour of shooting the HS20+58A combo, my back actually started hurting! And if you need a tripod, which I know I need for this combo, even in bright light, it simply isn't worth it.
With that said, I guess you could calculate the actual magnification of both TC from the images above. Could you post one of the HS20+58A vs the HS50 so we can see the image scale please? Thanks, PR!
With that said, I guess you could calculate the actual magnification of both TC from the images above. Could you post one of the HS20+58A vs the HS50 so we can see the image scale please? Thanks, PR!
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All of the photos are already in my "Tests 2014/06" gallery. These include the HS20 and HS50 with no TC and with the Sony 1758 and Canon DC58A TCs. If you hover the mouse pointer over the gallery thumbnails you'll see the file names that I created that identify the cameras and the TCs as part of DPReview's image URLs. When you select one of these, the file name (such as "DSCF0953bbb_HS20_DC58A") will appear above the image. Let's see if I can get this one to display.
Nope, if there's a way to do it I haven't yet discovered the easy way to do it. Using the "Insert image" tool at the top right of the text entry area fails for the two reasonable choices, "Insert image from web" and "Insert image from dpreview Galleries". The latter lets me select any image, but it doesn't provide any way to distinguish between many different thumbnails that all look the same.
Orion12
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They were all pretty good, but I only examined the center of the frame. Going back and examining the left edge of the frame, the photo using the Sony 1758 shows a lot of CA but photos shot with the DC58A and with no TC didn't. Like so :
No TC.
Using Sony 1758 TC.
Using Canon DC58A TC.
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Is there anything worth considering there? I skimmed it pretty quickly and it didn't appear that there was any useful information.
.
Firefox says "Sorry, We could not find www.mysticshome.co.uk".
.
Oh, now you tell me.
And since you've seen what my V2 gets with the 300mm f/4 mounted, you know why I can never go back to a bridge camera with a TC. They all require a tripod to get usable photos at maximum zoom, and if I have to carry a decent tripod, carrying the extra weight of my 300mm f/4 isn't as onerous.
Hand-Held 1,540mm Shot with HS50EXR + Raynox 1540Pro 1.54x TC ( EXR : SN Mode Capture )
At the Long End of the HS50EXR You're Looking at f5.6 but that's @ 1,000mm or 1,540mm with TC
The Sony 1.7x TC Might be an Exception but I've personally Tested SEVERAL Other Canon Model TC's and NOTHING has Matched the Raynox 1540 Series TC ( Surprisingly the Raynox 2.2x TC is Terrible Also )
Cheers from Orion
alexisgreat
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Orion if you can, please pick up the Canon 58A and the Sony 1758. They, along with the Raynox 1540 Pro, might be the only three TC worth getting.
How much did you pick up your 1540 Pro for? I find them going for $200 used on Amazon.
How much did you pick up your 1540 Pro for? I find them going for $200 used on Amazon.
Orion12
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That's Right it does. . . You CAN'T Create that Level of Sharpness with a Low-Res piece of Glass NO MATTER What the Mag-Factor. . .Looks good at web size.Hi Alex,
I used to have a Raynox DCR-2020 Pro and SOLD IT ! ( It was a Good Fantasy but that's All )
The Following BOLD Specs are From the Raynox Site and Actually TELL the Story. . .
There is no quality difference between DCR-2020PRO and DCR-2025PRO lens. ( 2.2x TC )
High-Resolution 260-Line/mm
The Kicker is the LOWER Lens Resolution. . . Which was ALWAYS Disappointing in Results !
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There is no difference in the quality of lens between DCR-1542PRO, DCR-1541PRO and DCR-1540PRO.
High-Resolution 340-line/mm
I STILL HAVE My Raynox 1540 Pro ( Earlier Model of the 1541 / 1542 ) which has the SAME 340-line/mm Spec & Is Killer GOOD. . .
I would Not have Assumed the SAME Company Made BOTH Models IF I hadn't Owned BOTH. . .
You will be FAR Better Off IQ Wise with a HS50EXR + 1540, 1541 or 1542 Pro. . .
That will Give You a CLEAN 1,000mm + 1.54x TC = 1,540mm CLEAN Optical and You can Add the 1.4 IDZ for 2,156mm CLEAN ->
That's Exactly How I Shot to ABOVE Moon Shot @ 2,156mm It's Prett
Lens quality is more important now than ever, due to the ever-increasing number of megapixels found in today's digital cameras. Frequently, the resolution of your digital photos is actually limited by the camera's lens — and not by the resolution of the camera itself. However, deciphering MTF charts and comparing the resolution of different lenses can be a science unto itself. This tutorial gives an overview of the fundamental concepts and terms used for assessing lens quality. At the very least, hopefully it will cause you to think twice about what's important when purchasing your next digital camera or lens. . .
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/lens-quality-mtf-resolution.htm <- Will Answer You Questions. . .
Cheers from Orion
J o m s
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I just got my C-180 in mint condition woot!
Test shots with X20
TC ON + IDZ (Upper Left), TC ON (Upper Right), Full Zoom (Lower Left), Full Zoom + IDZ (Lower Right)
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Test shots with X20
TC ON + IDZ (Upper Left), TC ON (Upper Right), Full Zoom (Lower Left), Full Zoom + IDZ (Lower Right)
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alexisgreat
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These are sets with and without the Canon 58A on the HS20.
I dont know what the exact magnification factor was but it's somewhere between 1.44x to 1.49x since the lower squares on the window pane in these images was approximately 215-217 pixels wide in the 2 images without the 58A and 314-319 pixels wide in the 3 images with the 58A as measured with Irfanview.
First two images are vanilla HS20 last three are with the 58Am, this window is from a building about a block and a half away.
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I dont know what the exact magnification factor was but it's somewhere between 1.44x to 1.49x since the lower squares on the window pane in these images was approximately 215-217 pixels wide in the 2 images without the 58A and 314-319 pixels wide in the 3 images with the 58A as measured with Irfanview.
First two images are vanilla HS20 last three are with the 58Am, this window is from a building about a block and a half away.
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A rose in my back yard, taken from the second floor to achieve enough distance- first two images vanilla HS20, last four images with the 58A
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