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I just had some spare time to install Mint 17 Cinnamon.

I'm an old fashioned guy who likes the active title-bar to change color. With all three default themes, Themes > Other settings > Window borders > Bright changes color. I didn't like the light green color, so I changed it to teal by finding /usr/share/themes/Mint-X and editing gtk-3.0/gtk-main.css

@define-color selected_bg_color #008080

I guess I can change the other light green colors as well? It's not as important however.

Also, how can I make the Terminal opaque instead of Windows 7 style transparent? There is no menu bar. Oh wait a minute, there is a right-click menu in the Terminal's text area. The answer seems to be Background > Transparent background (unclick? set to maximum? either works).

Bottom line, Mint 17 Cinnamon is very nice, except color settings are immature. The Cinnamon theme is somewhat grey, but that is the current fashion.
 
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I'm running Mint 17 Cinnamon on 2 computers (laptop has dual-boot with Windows Vista) and am pretty happy with it.
I have Mint 13 Mate on 2 computers and will certainly upgrade both of them to Mint 17 Cinnamon. Reviewers say it's faster than Mate and Cinnamon does feel faster.

Shortly after it appeared, I installed Kubuntu 14.04, but the KDE terminal (Konsole) does not expand size when you increase the font size. That was my only objection but it was a show stopper.
 
I'm running Mint 17 Cinnamon on 2 computers (laptop has dual-boot with Windows Vista) and am pretty happy with it.
I have Mint 13 Mate on 2 computers and will certainly upgrade both of them to Mint 17 Cinnamon. Reviewers say it's faster than Mate and Cinnamon does feel faster.

Shortly after it appeared, I installed Kubuntu 14.04, but the KDE terminal (Konsole) does not expand size when you increase the font size. That was my only objection but it was a show stopper.
Manually increasing the size of Konsole (click and drag corner) wasn't working? That works on my Kubuntu 14.04, and there's a box in the middle of Konsole that shows the current number of rows and columns chosen.
 
KDE terminal (Konsole) does not expand size when you increase the font size.
Manually increasing the size of Konsole (click and drag corner) wasn't working? That works on my Kubuntu 14.04, and there's a box in the middle of Konsole that shows the current number of rows and columns chosen.
Yes you can do that, however I am talking about Ctrl + and Ctrl - to increase and decrease font size. In Gnome this also expands the terminal to maintain the same number of lines and columns.

I run SUSE for certain development projects. It uses Gnome as the default window manager, like Ubuntu and Mint. Now it has been 7 years since I used KDE every day, and it will be another 2 years before I try it again.
 
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KDE terminal (Konsole) does not expand size when you increase the font size.
Manually increasing the size of Konsole (click and drag corner) wasn't working? That works on my Kubuntu 14.04, and there's a box in the middle of Konsole that shows the current number of rows and columns chosen.
Yes you can do that, however I am talking about Ctrl + and Ctrl - to increase and decrease font size. In Gnome this also expands the terminal to maintain the same number of lines and columns.

I run SUSE for certain development projects. It uses Gnome as the default window manager, like Ubuntu and Mint. Now it has been 7 years since I used KDE every day, and it will be another 2 years before I try it again.
If you prefer gnome terminal, just install it. I'm running 64 Bit OpenSUSE 13.1 (The Edu Li-F-E release, which has more default programs already included with popular apps from both the Gnome and KDE projects) right now under KDE, and I have Konsole, Gnome Terminal and XTerm installed (including a menu choice to start xTerm in 32 bit mode for better compatibility with some terminal base programs, even though I'm running 64 Bit OpenSUSE).

There are plenty of other terminals around you could install, too. Now, I use Konsole most of the time (I have no issues with it and could care less if the screen resizes when I increase font size, as I wouldn't normally increase font size anyway, since I have fonts setup like I want them already).

Note these screen captures. This is the Lancelot Menu system (and I also have a button to the right of it setup for the KDE Classic Menu style, too (as I don't like the KDE Kick-Off style launcher and keep it set to Classic), as you can have multiple types of menu launchers if desired.

Lancelot is available for most any system running KDE (usually as a package you can install via a distro's software manager, then it becomes an available plasma widget you can add to your panel) Again, I have buttons for both Lancelot and KDE menu launchers side by side, so I can use either menu system.

Konsole is setup under Favorites on my menu (first screen capture), but you could put gnome-terminal there if desired (and make it your default terminal). If I want to use a different terminal program, I can go to Applications>System>Terminals and pick a different terminal one (I have xTerm and gnome-terminal installed). See the menu choices for Terminals in my second screen capture below.

I could add launchers to the panel, desktop, etc. for gnome-terminal if desired, too.

There is nothing preventing you from installing gnome-terminal and using it with a KDE Desktop if you prefer it. ;-)

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Note the Gnome Terminal choice under Applications>System>Terminals in this next screen capture (and if you want to, you could "right click on the Gnome Terminal choice and add it to your desktop, panel, and/or favorites).

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If you prefer gnome terminal, just install it. I'm running 64 Bit OpenSUSE 13.1 ... right now under KDE, and I have Konsole, Gnome Terminal and XTerm installed.
Hey, good idea Jim. I'll try it on my Kubuntu VM, which I haven't deleted yet. Perhaps it will have to install GTK libraries as a dependency, but they might be needed for something else anyway.

Why Xterm? Seems ultra primitive in comparison.
I use Konsole most of the time (I have no issues with it and could care less if the screen resizes when I increase font size, as I wouldn't normally increase font size anyway, since I have fonts setup like I want them already).
Mostly it is useful when someone visits your office and you want to show them something.
Note these screen captures...
Looks awfully gray and dark to me, like winter weather in Syracuse NY. Can't you make it look more like Windows 8? ;-)
There is nothing preventing you from installing gnome-terminal and using it with a KDE Desktop if you prefer it.
Thanks! Although there is nothing wrong with Gnome. I have been totally happy with it over the past 7 years, with Ubuntu 8.04, 10.04, and Mint 13.
 
If you prefer gnome terminal, just install it. I'm running 64 Bit OpenSUSE 13.1 ... right now under KDE, and I have Konsole, Gnome Terminal and XTerm installed.
Hey, good idea Jim. I'll try it on my Kubuntu VM, which I haven't deleted yet. Perhaps it will have to install GTK libraries as a dependency, but they might be needed for something else anyway.

Why Xterm? Seems ultra primitive in comparison.
It was already installed (as was gnome-terminal and konsole) in OpenSuse 13.1 Education Life. So, I didn't bother to remove it.
I use Konsole most of the time (I have no issues with it and could care less if the screen resizes when I increase font size, as I wouldn't normally increase font size anyway, since I have fonts setup like I want them already).
Mostly it is useful when someone visits your office and you want to show them something.
Note these screen captures...
Looks awfully gray and dark to me, like winter weather in Syracuse NY. Can't you make it look more like Windows 8? ;-)
I usually tweak the themes, colors, etc. with a KDE based distro. For example, note this forum thread with screen captures showing some of the changes I usually make with a distro (showing changes I made to a Kubuntu install in VirtualBox):

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41502125

But, the default OpenSUSE 13.1 theme and colors started growing on me after using it for a little while, and I haven't really felt any need to change it. So, I'm still using the default OpenSUSE Theme and Color Settings.

About the only tweaks I made to the appearance was increasing the font size a bit for all the default fonts, then enabling sub pixel hinting under the font anti-aliasing settings (using "slight" rgb hinting) to smooth out the fonts some, (as the defaults were not very appealing to me).

Then, I just changed the default desktop folder view settings to behave more like a typical desktop (showing the contents of the desktop folder) versus having separate plasma widgets for those folders. That way, I see shortcut icons directly on the desktop (versus inside of a folder view the way most KDE 4.x desktops come preconfigured). Then, I just installed Lancelot as my menu launcher, with a separate KDE classic launcher right beside it in the bottom panel.

I also added the color management app to the desktop settings available (since it's very full featured app that lets you setup default behavior for most image viewers and editors under KDE). It's far more advanced than the color management utilities available for other desktops.

That setup works fine for me.

I'm more comfortable with distros using apt and debs for package management.

But, OpenSUSE has so many neat features anymore that I decided to go with it instead when I got my latest Desktop (refurb Dell XPS 8500 with a Core i7 3770 in it) and installed a Samsung 830 series SSD for the boot drive.

For example, I love the "One Click" installs of applications OpenSUSE has, that you can use by searching their package lists, including newer versions of applications from a lot of different third party repos.

IOW, if I want the latest version of virtually any app, I can search for it at software.opensuse.org, then click on "show unstable packages" and get the latest version (including the latest builds from git for many programs) for almost anything I want to use by simply clicking on the "One Click Install" button from my browser.

Then, the YAST "One Click Install" module installs the program for me, handling all dependencies, adding GPG keys for the third party repo hosting it after verifying if I want to trust the repo, etc.

That's a lot easier than searching for Ubuntu PPAs with newer versions of software available, adding their keys, etc. (since you can find virtually anything you need on OpenSUSE's web sites, with "One Click" install available for versions of programs hosted by third party repositories, too.

I'm also using BTRFS (versus ext4) as the file system, and OpenSUSE has a GUI based front end to Snapper that allows you to easily setup how often it's making Snapshots, roll back changes using any previous snapshot, etc.

I have a couple of notebooks setup using Debian 7.0/Wheezy based distros using BTRFS as their file system now, too (and I also use snapper with them, as OpenSUSE offers packages for snapper for other platforms like Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, etc.). But, only OpenSUSE has a nice GUI available for managing btrfs snapshots now. BTRFS is a really slick file system, since you can take snapshots very often, using virtually no additional disk space for them.

For example, I've got two notebooks setup to make hourly snapshots when they're being used, using a BTRFS file system with MX-14 (a very light weight Mepis community developed distro with an XFCE desktop using a Debian 7/Wheezey stable base), with the available text based snapper utility from OpenSUSE's software repos installed (as they have debian packages available for snapper there, too).
There is nothing preventing you from installing gnome-terminal and using it with a KDE Desktop if you prefer it.
Thanks! Although there is nothing wrong with Gnome. I have been totally happy with it over the past 7 years, with Ubuntu 8.04, 10.04, and Mint 13.
With OpenSUSE 13.1 Education Li-f-e (Linux for Education), if you download the larger 3.3GB DVD .iso, both KDE and Gnome are included. So, you can just choose the desktop you want to use each time you login. ;-)

IOW, I can simply logout, then select from Gnome, Gnome Classic, KDE Plasma, IceWM and other desktops from the login screen if I feel the need to use something different.

Of course, you can do the same thing with other distros (Kubuntu, Mint, etc.) and install more than one desktop, then select the one you want to use each time you logout and log back in again. But, the 3.3GB DVD version of OpenSUSE 13.1 "Education Li-f-e" already has multiple desktops included when you install it (as well as a lot more software included by default, with extra third party repos like pacman already added to YAST).

I prefer KDE, since it's the most configurable desktop around, by far (nothing else even comes close to it's customization options). But, you can always use Gnome if you prefer it.

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Jim, you make a good case for OpenSUSE.

The SLES 11 that I run has a nice desktop, but access to the Terminal is very inconvenient until one adds a shortcut, which seems weird because most Linux people like the command line.

SUSE people at a conference advised me to install OpenSUSE - it seems their advice was on-target.

Except for the mint green color I do not appreciate, the only customization I made to Mint 17 was adding Workspace Switcher.

I'm not a person who enjoys customization, so perhaps KDE is not for me.
 
Jim, you make a good case for OpenSUSE.

The SLES 11 that I run has a nice desktop, but access to the Terminal is very inconvenient until one adds a shortcut, which seems weird because most Linux people like the command line.

SUSE people at a conference advised me to install OpenSUSE - it seems their advice was on-target.
OpenSUSE is a very powerful system. I'm not sure I'd recommend it to Linux newbies, since it's "quirks" with YAST can take some getting used to, and you need to do a bit more in the way of font tweaks, adding third party repositories for installing codecs, etc. compared to more newbie friendly distros like Linux Mint.

But, since you're already using SLES, you're already familiar with zipper. etc. So, OpenSUSE would probably be a good distro for you if you've used SLED, too (Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop) and are accustomed to YAST for software management and system configuration.
Except for the mint green color I do not appreciate, the only customization I made to Mint 17 was adding Workspace Switcher.

I'm not a person who enjoys customization, so perhaps KDE is not for me.
Well... I don't think Gnome 3 is a very good choice for most users of a non touch system. Have you tried to use it yet (versus the older Gnome release used by SLED)?

Basically, you get a totally blank desktop when you boot into a Gnome 3 desktop, with an Activities button in the upper left. That's it.

Then, if you click on the Activities button, you get a docky style bar on the left side (similar to what you'd see with Ubuntu's Unity interface), with application icons for favorite apps. As long as you add your frequently used apps (and some are already there by default like LibreOffice, Firefox, etc.), then you wouldn't need to dig through the "All Applications" section.

To see more applications, if you click on the bottom icon in the activities menu panel that appears on the left with icons for favorite apps, then you'll get a full screen view of your available applications.

But, there is no hierarchy of any kind, and they're not divided into categories like graphics, system, etc.

Instead, you get icons for everything installed on your system in alphabetical order, with a search box at the top of the full screen "All Applications" list (icons for all apps), although you do have another view of only "Frequently" used apps.

To each their own. But, for someone using a lot of different applications often, I think Gnome 3 is probably one of the the least desirable implementations of an application menu system for a desktop without a touch interface, when compared to KDE, LXDE, XFCE, Cinnamon, Mate, and more. Perhaps the Gnome developers are trying to make it more touch friendly or something.

I guess if you don't mind taking the time to add what you use more often to "Favorites", so that you see icons for them in the menu panel (docky/unity style bar) on the left side of the screen, then it may not be too bad, where you'd only need to use the full screen "All Applications" list on a less frequent basis. But, for someone using a lot of different apps, a menu system with a hierarchy of some type (at least divided into sections for graphics, system, word processing, utilities, etc.) would be a much better bet IMO.

Update...

It looks like you can use the Gnome Tweak Tool and get an applications menu divided into sections (like you'd get with other menu systems).So, perhaps it's not as bad as I thought.

Here's a review of Gnome 3.10 from last month mentioning that kind of thing showing the Applications Menu you can get with the Gnome Tweak tool, so that instead of one huge list of all applications in alphabetical order (what you see with a default install), you can get a menu with available apps divided into categories like most other menu systems provide

http://www.osnews.com/story/27745/My_Trip_to_GNOME_a_3_10_Review

But, first impressions of it left me thinking WTF; as Gnome 3 is just very different compared to a traditional desktop user interface and menu systems. I've got Gnome 3 available in my OpenSUSE 13.1 install (I can choose it from the login screen instead of KDE if I want to use it).

But, it's just so different compared to what I'm accustomed to, I haven't bothered to spend any time trying to use it. The same thing applies to my Win 8.1 installation. I avoid the new style interface and menus entirely via the use of Classic Shell. That way, I have a more traditional style desktop UI and menu system, instead of the new style stuff that appears to be designed more for touch screen use.

Again, to each their own. So, I'd try the latest Gnome and see what you think (as it does like you can customize it more to taste using the Gnome Tweak Tool).

If you want a UI that's closer to Gnome 2.x (like it sounds like you're accustomed to), then I'd use Mate instead of Gnome (as Mate is a "fork" of Gnome 2, and is also available for OpenSUSE 13.1). In fact, the OpenSUSE Education Li-f-e version I installed can also be downloaded with Mate now.

They also have a "Gnome Classic" download available (but, I'd just use Mate if you want more Gnome 2 features).

Personally, I just installed the 3.3GB .iso released in January (as it has both KDE 4.x and Gnome 3.x on the same .iso, with more default apps preinstalled). But, they have multiple "flavors" available including downloads setup with Gnome Classic and Mate desktops now.

Again, I installed the Education Li-f-e version of OpenSUSE 13.1 (3.3GB .iso with KDE 4.x and Gnome 3.x), since it includes more third party repos configured for YAST, more apps installed, etc. See the available .iso files here:

 
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Jim, I installed gnome-terminal on Kubuntu, however Ctrl-plus and Ctrl-minus do not work under KDE. It was an interesting but fruitless excercise.

Also KDE seems much slower than Cinnamon, perhaps due to all the special effects.
Well... I don't think Gnome 3 is a very good choice for most users of a non touch system. Have you tried to use it yet (versus the older Gnome release used by SLED)?
No, but given what you say below, it seems like a waste of time! Actually I think Cinnamon uses GTK3 but implements a different window manager. Not sure about all this, but I like Mint, both Mate and Cinnamon window managers, which are similar.

There does not seem to be any reason for me to try another Linux distro. Mint is better than Windows 7 already, and given what you say and my Kubuntu test, I remain happy with Mint.
Basically, you get a totally blank desktop when you boot into a Gnome 3 desktop, with an Activities button in the upper left. That's it.
Yuck!
To see more applications, if you click on the bottom icon in the activities menu panel that appears on the left with icons for favorite apps, then you'll get a full screen view of your available applications.

But, there is no hierarchy of any kind, and they're not divided into categories like graphics, system, etc.

Instead, you get icons for everything installed on your system in alphabetical order, with a search box at the top of the full screen "All Applications" list (icons for all apps), although you do have another view of only "Frequently" used apps.

To each their own. But, for someone using a lot of different applications often, I think Gnome 3 is probably one of the least desirable implementations of an application menu system for a desktop without a touch interface, when compared to KDE, LXDE, XFCE, Cinnamon, Mate, and more.
Sometimes I think Linux GUI developers are trying to drive users back to Windows or forward to Mac OS X.
 
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Sometimes I think Linux GUI developers are trying to drive users back to Windows or forward to Mac OS X.
There's a lot of wasted effort in Linux, IMO. Probably many people would agree...but not agree on just which efforts were wasted. ;-)

And whether Mac OS X is a step forwards or backwards from all the other UIs is debatable. Count me as a fan of diversity, variety, and user choice.
 
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Well.. again, given your use of SUSE Enterprise Linux (since you're probably already familiar with YAST, zipper, etc.), and your apparent fondness for Gnome (at least the 2.x releases), you may want to test drive the latest Mate edition of OpenSUSE 13.1 Edu Li-f-e

Mate 1.8 became available for OpenSUSE 13.1 in mid May 2014, and a Mate Edu Li-f-e version became available right after that, complete with all of the updates available to OpenSUSE 13.1 at that point (versus needing to install a lot more updates from a release of OpenSUSE 13.1 from the end up last year).

If you look at the press releases for OpenSUSE on Distrowatch, you'll see the announcement for the new Mate release:

http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08446

It looks like it's pointing to the original Edu Li-F-e release announcement, versus the announcement for the newer Mate version. The actual Mate release announcement is here:

https://lizards.opensuse.org/2014/05/19/opensuse-edu-li-f-e-mate/#more-10809

That way, you'd get a UI you're comfortable with (since Mate is a fork of Gnome 2) with a very full featured distro in OpenSUSE 13.1 (and 13.1 is also going to be an "Evergreen" release, with support for 3 years); complete with all of the available OpenSUSE 13.1 updates until last month's release of the Mate version of it (which is one reason they're calling it an OpenSUSE 13.1.1 point release versus OpenSUSE 13.1, since you'll have most updates already included).

One benefit of the Edu-Life releases is that they have a lot of extra software installed by default (including more development tools, multimedia apps, wine preinstalled, etc.); and also have third party repos (pacman, etc.) already added to YAST for getting more software.

So, don't view it as a release for kids in school, as it's much more than that. Whenever I take a closer look at OpenSUSE, I wait for the Edu Li-f-e releases before any test drive, as they seem to be much better as a "starting point" compared to the vanilla OpenSUSE releases (less work as far as adding third party repos, etc.).

That's why I installed the OpenSUSE 13.1 Edu Li-f-e release on my PC (the 3.3GB download from December 2013 with KDE and Gnome included, that was released a month after the standard OpenSUSE 13.1 release was announced). The Edu Li-f-e spins save some work compared to tweaking the standard OpenSUSE releases.

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Very interesting review by an above average web publication:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...for-linux-ers-to-wait-out-ubuntu-uncertainty/

Page 3 says the following, which makes me want to test drive the MATE desktop.
Mint 17 MATE edition is unquestionably the fastest of the three desktops, Cinnamon generally falls in the middle when it comes to performance, and the heavyweight Unity brings up the rear.
Probably it makes very little difference, but some web posters assert that MATE is more easily customizable than Cinnamon; other posters vehemently disagree. I shall find out.
 
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...for-linux-ers-to-wait-out-ubuntu-uncertainty/

"Mint 17 MATE edition is unquestionably the fastest of the three desktops, Cinnamon generally falls in the middle when it comes to performance, and the heavyweight Unity brings up the rear."
I installed MATE desktop on one Mint 17 virtual machine, and Cinnamon desktop on another. After software updates, I ran Firefox and System Monitor on both.

At first Cinnamon used less memory, but after leaving them overnight, memory use was similar. Both had similar CPU usage when quiescent.

The main difference is that MATE uses less CPU when active, whereas Cinnamon spikes when changing windows etc. This could be due to lack of hardware acceleration.

Cinnamon has a Unity like stack of important applications in its pop-up Menu, while MATE offers a choice of Favorites or All (in categories). Also MATE has more control over theme colors. Cinnamon is a little better looking IMO.

I guess a coin toss is the best way to make a decision!
 
The main difference is that MATE uses less CPU when active, whereas Cinnamon spikes when changing windows etc. This could be due to lack of hardware acceleration.

Cinnamon has a Unity like stack of important applications in its pop-up Menu, while MATE offers a choice of Favorites or All (in categories). Also MATE has more control over theme colors. Cinnamon is a little better looking IMO.

I guess a coin toss is the best way to make a decision!
Personally, I find that the newer releases of KDE are much better from a responsiveness perspective compared to Cinnamon or Mate, as long as you have more than 1GB of memory available.

XFCE is slightly better, depending on the distro. But, for a machine with more than 1GB of memory, I'd always go with KDE over any of them.

For example, I tried several different desktop environments with an old PC with 1.5GB of memory using one of the older AMD Athlon XP 3200+ model CPUs that my niece wanted help with (with Windows XP on it) so I could set it up in a dual boot config with Linux after spending a *lot* of time removing malware from it.

I was surprised that the KDE version of Mint (16 at the time) was *far* more responsive compared to the Cinnamon version of Mint with an older CPU model with limited memory available, even though the Cinnamon installation has more free memory to start with. I installed Mint Cinnamon to begin with and also tried the Mate edition. But, both were a bit "sluggish" and I decided to install the KDE release for comparison purposes (thank goodness I tried that, as it was much better on an older machine).

Basically, the KDE installation was a lot "snappier" with desktop effects enabled, compared to the Cinnamon installation with desktop effects disabled.

I've seen the same type of thing in the past with even lower powered machines. Newer versions of KDE are very responsive compared to the releases available just a few years back, with continuing improvements in performance as time passes, even though the memory used tends to be slightly higher than other desktop environments. 1GB or less? Go XFCE (or try Mate if you're a Gnome 2 fan; but IMO XFCE or LXDE are better bets). More than 1GB? I'd always go with KDE.

But, to each their own, as choice is good. So, if you like Mate or Cinnamon better, go for it.

Personally, I think KDE is dramatically better in many areas (especially for photographers), with vastly superior color management utilities available, much better image viewing/editing/management apps and more (not to mention a nice choice in available menu launchers, desktop effects that use less resources, etc.). Heck, you even see users of lighter desktops like XFCE install Kwin for desktop effects (since it's so light on resources compared to other options). But, again, to each, their own.

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Personally, I find that the newer releases of KDE are much better from a responsiveness perspective compared to Cinnamon or Mate, as long as you have more than 1GB of memory available...

I was surprised that the KDE version of Mint (16 at the time) was *far* more responsive compared to the Cinnamon version of Mint with an older CPU model with limited memory available, even though the Cinnamon installation has more free memory to start with. I installed Mint Cinnamon to begin with and also tried the Mate edition. But, both were a bit "sluggish" and I decided to install the KDE release for comparison purposes (thank goodness I tried that, as it was much better on an older machine).

Basically, the KDE installation was a lot "snappier" with desktop effects enabled, compared to the Cinnamon installation with desktop effects disabled.
I think you are onto something here. An April 2013 Datamation article GNOME or KDE: the Old Question says that much of the KDE interface has been rewritten lately, and release 4.10 uses "55% of the memory" of Cinnamon/MATE, with about the same number of buffers. However just afterwards they say they are tied for performance and memory consumption, which seems contradictory.

Anyway the problem with KDE has been that it is buggier than Gnome 2. The Mint team took at least an additional month after Cinnamon/MATE to iron out all the bugs and introduce Mint KDE. Mint forum remarks indicate that Kubuntu had many problems, so people are thankful that Mint KDE is finally available.

So if anyone prefers KDE, go for it!
 
Anyway the problem with KDE has been that it is buggier than Gnome 2. The Mint team took at least an additional month after Cinnamon/MATE to iron out all the bugs and introduce Mint KDE. Mint forum remarks indicate that Kubuntu had many problems, so people are thankful that Mint KDE is finally available.

So if anyone prefers KDE, go for it!
I'm surprised that KDE was buggy; I've had zero crashes or even weirdness on Kubuntu 14.04 so far, and I was an early adopter. I had no idea there were problems; blissful ignorance, very nice!

What that probably means is I'm not stressing it enough. ;-)
 
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