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I was tremendously frustrated when Nikon failed to offer a roadmap when they introduced the D800 and ignored the need for a D700 replacement altogether. I was disappointment by the high price tag for Df, which is, to say the least, a strange type of camera - trying to hard to be retro at the expense of handling and functionality.

For my day-to-day needs I have already bought the Fuji X-Pro 1 which I must say is surprisingly good for such a small cam and if I were to upgrade would definitely go for the X-T 1.

If Nikon sticks to just having a 36MP camera this fall and doesn't get anything out in the category of the 5D Mark III (24MP with fantastic video quality and handling), and doesn't properly address the Mirrorless threat, I'll be off-boarding Nikon as quickly as possible.

Because:

1. In the long run I can only trust Canon for my high end 35mm needs - as they provide a clear roadmap for their cameras

2. For my small camera needs - both Canon and Nikon have failed big time. But if one of the two will eventually catch up - I'm pretty sure Canon will be the one to address the issue properly, rather than with a half-ar**d solution as the over-priced Df. So I'll stick with Fuji

3. Sony for the time being is a bit of funny beast. The lenses are just way too big for the camera - the handling becomes awkward at best and making the complete system not really that small… in which case I rather stick with DSLR than go Fullframe Mirrorless. However if Sony or Fuji or someone else comes up with a Fullframe system that is small, well then…

4. Needless to say that the D600 had major quality issues and the body cripples functionality.

5. And D300 users are waiting for an upgrade since 2005 (?) which really isn't exactly providing me with a lot of trust either.

I don't understand why Nikon or Canon cannot do it like Apple.

Apple gives you three bodies as well: the Air, the Pro and the normal Book. Depending on your needs you choose how much space and RAM you want and then you get a laptop that suits your needs…

Why not have a D4, D800, D600 (and the same in the DX and Mirrorless section) and then you can choose wether you want:

- a 36 MP sensor,
- a 24 MP sensor or
- a 16 MP sensor
With their various advantages and disadvantages? I personally would probably go for a 16 MP D800, and if I needed a more high res camera I can always get a second body …

TL;DR: Nikon has been a disappointment in the past 3 years, with unclear roadmaps, unaddressed needs and quality issues. If they can't address these issues by Photokina .. I'm switching to more reliable partners.
 
Oh, hang on you said Nikon - I thought you might have come from the Canon forum :)
 
I was tremendously frustrated when Nikon failed to offer a roadmap when they introduced the D800 and ignored the need for a D700 replacement altogether. I was disappointment by the high price tag for Df, which is, to say the least, a strange type of camera - trying to hard to be retro at the expense of handling and functionality.

For my day-to-day needs I have already bought the Fuji X-Pro 1 which I must say is surprisingly good for such a small cam and if I were to upgrade would definitely go for the X-T 1.

If Nikon sticks to just having a 36MP camera this fall and doesn't get anything out in the category of the 5D Mark III (24MP with fantastic video quality and handling), and doesn't properly address the Mirrorless threat, I'll be off-boarding Nikon as quickly as possible.

Because:

1. In the long run I can only trust Canon for my high end 35mm needs - as they provide a clear roadmap for their cameras

2. For my small camera needs - both Canon and Nikon have failed big time. But if one of the two will eventually catch up - I'm pretty sure Canon will be the one to address the issue properly, rather than with a half-ar**d solution as the over-priced Df. So I'll stick with Fuji

3. Sony for the time being is a bit of funny beast. The lenses are just way too big for the camera - the handling becomes awkward at best and making the complete system not really that small… in which case I rather stick with DSLR than go Fullframe Mirrorless. However if Sony or Fuji or someone else comes up with a Fullframe system that is small, well then…

4. Needless to say that the D600 had major quality issues and the body cripples functionality.

5. And D300 users are waiting for an upgrade since 2005 (?) which really isn't exactly providing me with a lot of trust either.
Um, no. It came out in 2007 so it'd be like 2009 for an upgrade not 2005, lol!
I don't understand why Nikon or Canon cannot do it like Apple.

Apple gives you three bodies as well: the Air, the Pro and the normal Book. Depending on your needs you choose how much space and RAM you want and then you get a laptop that suits your needs…

Why not have a D4, D800, D600 (and the same in the DX and Mirrorless section) and then you can choose wether you want:

- a 36 MP sensor,
- a 24 MP sensor or
- a 16 MP sensor
With their various advantages and disadvantages? I personally would probably go for a 16 MP D800, and if I needed a more high res camera I can always get a second body …

TL;DR: Nikon has been a disappointment in the past 3 years, with unclear roadmaps, unaddressed needs and quality issues. If they can't address these issues by Photokina .. I'm switching to more reliable partners.
 
I was tremendously frustrated when Nikon failed to offer a roadmap when they introduced the D800 and ignored the need for a D700 replacement altogether. I was disappointment by the high price tag for Df, which is, to say the least, a strange type of camera - trying to hard to be retro at the expense of handling and functionality.

For my day-to-day needs I have already bought the Fuji X-Pro 1 which I must say is surprisingly good for such a small cam and if I were to upgrade would definitely go for the X-T 1.

If Nikon sticks to just having a 36MP camera this fall and doesn't get anything out in the category of the 5D Mark III (24MP with fantastic video quality and handling), and doesn't properly address the Mirrorless threat, I'll be off-boarding Nikon as quickly as possible.

Because:

1. In the long run I can only trust Canon for my high end 35mm needs - as they provide a clear roadmap for their cameras

2. For my small camera needs - both Canon and Nikon have failed big time. But if one of the two will eventually catch up - I'm pretty sure Canon will be the one to address the issue properly, rather than with a half-ar**d solution as the over-priced Df. So I'll stick with Fuji

3. Sony for the time being is a bit of funny beast. The lenses are just way too big for the camera - the handling becomes awkward at best and making the complete system not really that small… in which case I rather stick with DSLR than go Fullframe Mirrorless. However if Sony or Fuji or someone else comes up with a Fullframe system that is small, well then…

4. Needless to say that the D600 had major quality issues and the body cripples functionality.

5. And D300 users are waiting for an upgrade since 2005 (?) which really isn't exactly providing me with a lot of trust either.

I don't understand why Nikon or Canon cannot do it like Apple.

Apple gives you three bodies as well: the Air, the Pro and the normal Book. Depending on your needs you choose how much space and RAM you want and then you get a laptop that suits your needs…

Why not have a D4, D800, D600 (and the same in the DX and Mirrorless section) and then you can choose wether you want:

- a 36 MP sensor,
- a 24 MP sensor or
- a 16 MP sensor
With their various advantages and disadvantages? I personally would probably go for a 16 MP D800, and if I needed a more high res camera I can always get a second body …

TL;DR: Nikon has been a disappointment in the past 3 years, with unclear roadmaps, unaddressed needs and quality issues. If they can't address these issues by Photokina .. I'm switching to more reliable partners.
Ah.... and what, exactly, is it that you cannot do with the cameras available from .... well ... just about everyone?

I don't understand why you are spending so much energy being angry and resentful when you could be out taking pictures.
 
I was tremendously frustrated when Nikon failed to offer a roadmap when they introduced the D800 and ignored the need for a D700 replacement altogether. I was disappointment by the high price tag for Df, which is, to say the least, a strange type of camera - trying to hard to be retro at the expense of handling and functionality.

For my day-to-day needs I have already bought the Fuji X-Pro 1 which I must say is surprisingly good for such a small cam and if I were to upgrade would definitely go for the X-T 1.

If Nikon sticks to just having a 36MP camera this fall and doesn't get anything out in the category of the 5D Mark III (24MP with fantastic video quality and handling), and doesn't properly address the Mirrorless threat, I'll be off-boarding Nikon as quickly as possible.

Because:

1. In the long run I can only trust Canon for my high end 35mm needs - as they provide a clear roadmap for their cameras

2. For my small camera needs - both Canon and Nikon have failed big time. But if one of the two will eventually catch up - I'm pretty sure Canon will be the one to address the issue properly, rather than with a half-ar**d solution as the over-priced Df. So I'll stick with Fuji

3. Sony for the time being is a bit of funny beast. The lenses are just way too big for the camera - the handling becomes awkward at best and making the complete system not really that small… in which case I rather stick with DSLR than go Fullframe Mirrorless. However if Sony or Fuji or someone else comes up with a Fullframe system that is small, well then…

4. Needless to say that the D600 had major quality issues and the body cripples functionality.

5. And D300 users are waiting for an upgrade since 2005 (?) which really isn't exactly providing me with a lot of trust either.

I don't understand why Nikon or Canon cannot do it like Apple.

Apple gives you three bodies as well: the Air, the Pro and the normal Book. Depending on your needs you choose how much space and RAM you want and then you get a laptop that suits your needs…

Why not have a D4, D800, D600 (and the same in the DX and Mirrorless section) and then you can choose wether you want:

- a 36 MP sensor,
- a 24 MP sensor or
- a 16 MP sensor
With their various advantages and disadvantages? I personally would probably go for a 16 MP D800, and if I needed a more high res camera I can always get a second body …

TL;DR: Nikon has been a disappointment in the past 3 years, with unclear roadmaps, unaddressed needs and quality issues. If they can't address these issues by Photokina .. I'm switching to more reliable partners.
You should switch out of nikon buddy
 
Happy for you that you like Apple.

The problem I have with Apple is that they don't make computers like Bianchi makes bikes.I can buy from Bianchi a huge amount of combination having a choice of frames, wheels,gears,shifters, pedals,saddles and even different colours from the factory "celeste" .So why can't Apple sell computers like Bianchi sells bikes ?
 
Come to R/Pentax, we have cookies t-shirts! ;-)
 
Don't let the door hit you on the fanny on the way out.
 
1. In the long run I can only trust Canon for my high end 35mm needs - as they provide a clear roadmap for their cameras
I hear you, man. I always found it impossible to shoot without a roadmap.

Just the other day I was gonna shoot an event. Had to cancel, why? Nikon didn't give me a roadmap, can't shoot today without knowing what's gonna happen 5 years from now.

In any case, I'm sure Nikon is already scrambling now that they've read your post.
 
Fine… the apple comparision was silly.

Here's another one: Sony Alpha 7. They seem to get what I was suggesting they have a Sony 7 with 36 MP one with 24 MP and one more (I don't remember how many MP).

If Sony can, why can't Nikon. What if you can't work with huge clunky 36 MP sized images but do need the body of a D800?

That's my main concern really.

I don't think Canon is doing it 100% right either. They should take a peak at Sony on that matter too… But compared to 36 MP overkill, I can live with a 24 MP 5D
 
Indeed but happy with the x-pro as a portable solution for the time being. I do need a DSLR in a pro body though - they are simply more reliable. But I don't need a 36 MP DSLR or a 16 MP with this massive grip.

Anyway all this is a rant..
 
A least I'm getting some Fanny without the GAS you're having … look at that gear list my friend!
 
Fine… the apple comparision was silly.

Here's another one: Sony Alpha 7. They seem to get what I was suggesting they have a Sony 7 with 36 MP one with 24 MP and one more (I don't remember how many MP).

If Sony can, why can't Nikon. What if you can't work with huge clunky 36 MP sized images but do need the body of a D800?

That's my main concern really.

I don't think Canon is doing it 100% right either. They should take a peak at Sony on that matter too… But compared to 36 MP overkill, I can live with a 24 MP 5D
There's no 24MP 5D. Try 12.8, 21.1 or 22.3.
 
I'm caught between the need of a camera with video functionality (due to client requests) and thinking 36 MP is overkill and not wanting to invest in further lenses into a system that expensive and inflexible.

I do also agree that, in the end, my post was a pointless rant. But it sure felt good.
 
Thanks - it makes no difference to me if it's 22 or 24 MP. The sweet spot is somewhere between 16 and 24.
 

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