Tom Ferstl
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If it were not for Carl Zeiss, there wouldn't be any lens!
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Tom Ferstl
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I doubt that! Most if not all, professional aerial photographers use the Hasselblad. All photo's from the McDonnell Douglas Aircraft are shot using a Hasselblad. Ditto for Northrup and Gruman!
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Tom Ferstl
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Forgot to add: Contex uses Carl Zeiss lens! Wonder why? Wonder why Sony uses Zeiss and the other wannabes do not?
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Capital Man
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Contax, Hasselblad, Sony. What do they have in common? Carl Zeiss optics.
maxiebill
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a camera is an inanimate object. a picture speaks. it takes PHOTOGRAPHER/ARTIST/OBSERVER to put them togeather
with what ever tool they have from a Kodac Brownie on up.
I love my 717
with what ever tool they have from a Kodac Brownie on up.
I love my 717
Marc Gambardella
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If you are going to come on the Sony forum and bash our cameras by dismissing them as "posing toys", (and...I'm sorry...after seeing the images created by those here, I'd have to disagree) then I'd suggest you at least know the names of the digital cameras you are touting as "real". Last time I checked, a "cannon" was a weapon, not a camera.
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Tom Ferstl
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I also forgot to add that Hasselblad uses the Zeiss lens!
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Tom Ferstl
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I totally agree! I remember back in 1967 I had just purchased my Asahi Pentax Spotmatic 35mm. I think I paid something like $350.00 for it, that was a huge sum to pay at the time.
A friend showed me an album of the Swiss Alps he had taken the year before. Magnificent photo's and looked like post cards taken with a Hasselblad. Made me question my judgement.
His camera, a $14.00 Brownie!
I have swapped my old 35mm out and now use the F717 and are approaching those shots my friend made.
Regards.
Tom
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A friend showed me an album of the Swiss Alps he had taken the year before. Magnificent photo's and looked like post cards taken with a Hasselblad. Made me question my judgement.
His camera, a $14.00 Brownie!
I have swapped my old 35mm out and now use the F717 and are approaching those shots my friend made.
Regards.
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Tom Ferstl
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2003-05-23 Hasselblad announced today the launch of a new extremely high-performance, wide-angle Distagon 4/40 mm IF lens for its renowned V System cameras. The new lens is a part of the ongoing redesign of all Carl Zeiss lenses for Hasselblad. The lens features a CFE-design with an electrical interface through which to transfer lens data to 203FE and 205FCC cameras for automatic aperture priority exposure.
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Roy van der Woning
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Now that's an interesting statement when held next to one of your recent posts:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=5306140
How does that relate to the Canon "pedigree" you mentioned?
Roy.
Roy van der Woning
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I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
One day we were discussing lenses, and suddenly everyone is talking "glass".
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Akkers
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And is it the real Carl Zeies lens on the Sony? Is it the genuine article?
Tom Ferstl
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Yep you got it. The three finest camera's in the world! All three are used by NASA, DOD, FBI, MARSHAL SERVICE, STATE DEPT, ARMY, NAVY, USMC AND AF. PLUS ALL Aircraft Flight Testing. I would say the F717 is in good company and hands.
Sony is a leader in the optical divisions and the Zeiss Organization is world renown winning every single award known to photography; not to mention medical instrumentations and lab equipment. Ditto for Sony!
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Sony is a leader in the optical divisions and the Zeiss Organization is world renown winning every single award known to photography; not to mention medical instrumentations and lab equipment. Ditto for Sony!
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Tom Ferstl
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Maybe you just need a lens correction like LASIK? Me, I've never had a problem with mine and I do wear corrective lens!
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Michael Jones
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So the Carl Zeiss is inferior optics?
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it seems for some people the best is not enough, they just prefer to go for the worse 
Capital Man
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Carl Zeiss only endorses lenses that meet its high quality standards. The Carl Zeiss lenses for Contax cameras are manufactured in Japan, not Germany.
So yes, it's a real Carl Zeiss lens.
Although the lens on the V1 doesn't seem to be living up to the Carl Zeiss name...
Akkers
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Many perfectionists will point out to you that the lens on 7x7 are not real Carl Zeis as they are MIJ. Personally, I dont have a problem with the lens - its just the problems on the camera.
My personal complaints against the 505v and 7x7 have been:
Bad focusing in low light. Even the HAF has not really solved the problem.
Terrible flash pics.
Lack of flashgun choice. Here in the UK, its the Sony flash or the Sony flash...
Shutter lag problems. Even though I did not attempt many sport shots with the 717, I still had problems taking family pics. By the time you frame, and press the button and the camera has thought about it, the photo moment has gone. Whilst the Sony apologists did not accept that it was a problem with Sony cameras and were aready to otracise anyone who spoke out, now it is a commonly accepted fact that the shutter lag is a BIG BIG problem.
In 2 years that I had the 505v and the 6 months I have had the 717, I have yet to attain consisten landscape photos. Everytime I go out on a shoot (under similar lighting/weather conditions), I get different results. Hell, since when did trees go neon green.
Focusing is a problem even on landscape pics (maybe its just my camera). It regularly tries to focus on 10-15 feet in front of the camera instead of the distant secenery, even when focus is set to landscape. Setting to infinity on manual is a workaround.
Manual focus is non-existent (go on admit it - its a joke).
Having said all that, I do miss some of the things on the 717 (now that I have a D100 and the 717 is lying a cupboard). The swivel body and the live EVF/LCD are sadly missed. I also miss the zoom buttons. But these are insignificant things compared to being able to take good pics.
These are my personal opinions based on my experiences.
btw - there are no perfect digital cameras. Quality control on digital cameras has been appaulling. Even on the DSLRs, you have the underexposure problem on the D100, the bad focus on 10D......
Has this been a problem all along? Maybe the internet and fast turnarounds bring the problems to light faster. Or is it that the digital market is so volatile and has short shelf-life that they try to ship half-finished cameras out to recover their investment?
http://www.pbase.com/akkers
-- Blessed with Sony U20 & Sony 717 --
My personal complaints against the 505v and 7x7 have been:
Bad focusing in low light. Even the HAF has not really solved the problem.
Terrible flash pics.
Lack of flashgun choice. Here in the UK, its the Sony flash or the Sony flash...
Shutter lag problems. Even though I did not attempt many sport shots with the 717, I still had problems taking family pics. By the time you frame, and press the button and the camera has thought about it, the photo moment has gone. Whilst the Sony apologists did not accept that it was a problem with Sony cameras and were aready to otracise anyone who spoke out, now it is a commonly accepted fact that the shutter lag is a BIG BIG problem.
In 2 years that I had the 505v and the 6 months I have had the 717, I have yet to attain consisten landscape photos. Everytime I go out on a shoot (under similar lighting/weather conditions), I get different results. Hell, since when did trees go neon green.
Focusing is a problem even on landscape pics (maybe its just my camera). It regularly tries to focus on 10-15 feet in front of the camera instead of the distant secenery, even when focus is set to landscape. Setting to infinity on manual is a workaround.
Manual focus is non-existent (go on admit it - its a joke).
Having said all that, I do miss some of the things on the 717 (now that I have a D100 and the 717 is lying a cupboard). The swivel body and the live EVF/LCD are sadly missed. I also miss the zoom buttons. But these are insignificant things compared to being able to take good pics.
These are my personal opinions based on my experiences.
btw - there are no perfect digital cameras. Quality control on digital cameras has been appaulling. Even on the DSLRs, you have the underexposure problem on the D100, the bad focus on 10D......
Has this been a problem all along? Maybe the internet and fast turnarounds bring the problems to light faster. Or is it that the digital market is so volatile and has short shelf-life that they try to ship half-finished cameras out to recover their investment?
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-- Blessed with Sony U20 & Sony 717 --
Akkers
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Marc
FYI I have been on STF since year 2000 when I bought the 505v. I stuck with Sony and eventually went with the 717 hoping they would get things right. They did not. I bought the 717 when it first came out - it had bad focusing problems. Nobody here would accept that nor would Sony. I had to send the camera back to the retailer at a huge shipping cost to me to get a refund. A few weeks later, Sony admitted that batches of 717 did indeed have focusing problem and recalled them. My retailer did not refund my shipping costs even after this news.
When things settled down, I bought the 717 again. I struggled to get any kind of consistency from this camera for several weeks. The shutter lag problems had not gone away. Whilst Sony fan club will tell you one thing, I felt that in some cases, the shutter lag on 717 was slightly worse than 505v. I put down my problems to bad weather and lack of light (we dont see much light in the UK until about April/May). Anyway, come April and May, I did a lot of shoots and I kept getting different results. My final conclusion was that this camera performed brilliantly under perfect laboratory-like conditions but anything else and I had no chance - it was like a spoilt Spanish bull.
I just dont have the time to 'fight' a machine. I want to spend my time on the creative side. I accept that every electro-mechanical machine has problems and quirks which you have to learn to live with and make the best. However, the 717 was driving me up the wall. So the 717 has gone into a cupboard and the D100 has taken its place. Mind you, its not all green grass on the other side either. Using the D100 is much harder; you have to put a lot of effort into getting the exposure etc right. But when you do get it right....boy!!! The shutter speed and the DOF - you can only dream about. For the price I would have paid for 256MB memory stick, I bought 1Gb of compact flash.
As I said, I still have the 717 and I am no Nikon snob. I could not give 2 hoots about what the name was on the machine as long it performs. However, I know that I have to avoid the name Sony on digital cameras. But on digital camcorders, Sony is the big boss - nobody can touch them. All my camcorders have been Sony since 1993.
Regards.
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-- Blessed with Sony U20 & Sony 717 --
FYI I have been on STF since year 2000 when I bought the 505v. I stuck with Sony and eventually went with the 717 hoping they would get things right. They did not. I bought the 717 when it first came out - it had bad focusing problems. Nobody here would accept that nor would Sony. I had to send the camera back to the retailer at a huge shipping cost to me to get a refund. A few weeks later, Sony admitted that batches of 717 did indeed have focusing problem and recalled them. My retailer did not refund my shipping costs even after this news.
When things settled down, I bought the 717 again. I struggled to get any kind of consistency from this camera for several weeks. The shutter lag problems had not gone away. Whilst Sony fan club will tell you one thing, I felt that in some cases, the shutter lag on 717 was slightly worse than 505v. I put down my problems to bad weather and lack of light (we dont see much light in the UK until about April/May). Anyway, come April and May, I did a lot of shoots and I kept getting different results. My final conclusion was that this camera performed brilliantly under perfect laboratory-like conditions but anything else and I had no chance - it was like a spoilt Spanish bull.
I just dont have the time to 'fight' a machine. I want to spend my time on the creative side. I accept that every electro-mechanical machine has problems and quirks which you have to learn to live with and make the best. However, the 717 was driving me up the wall. So the 717 has gone into a cupboard and the D100 has taken its place. Mind you, its not all green grass on the other side either. Using the D100 is much harder; you have to put a lot of effort into getting the exposure etc right. But when you do get it right....boy!!! The shutter speed and the DOF - you can only dream about. For the price I would have paid for 256MB memory stick, I bought 1Gb of compact flash.
As I said, I still have the 717 and I am no Nikon snob. I could not give 2 hoots about what the name was on the machine as long it performs. However, I know that I have to avoid the name Sony on digital cameras. But on digital camcorders, Sony is the big boss - nobody can touch them. All my camcorders have been Sony since 1993.
Regards.
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-- Blessed with Sony U20 & Sony 717 --
I stopped reading your thread after this following statement of yours regarding the way Sony manufactures it's line of cameras......
they're dumbed down for the folks at Best Buy
"dumbed down" ?
Do you realize how down you are talking to US Sony camera owners by saying that? You are implying that the cameras are creating for dumbies who need their hands held to make a camera purchase (or to use one for that matter)
I resemble that
I resent that
you decide which one is more fitting?
I'm outa here before my sarcastic side takes over and I cause another "flame thread"
Mark J
they're dumbed down for the folks at Best Buy
"dumbed down" ?
Do you realize how down you are talking to US Sony camera owners by saying that? You are implying that the cameras are creating for dumbies who need their hands held to make a camera purchase (or to use one for that matter)
I resemble that
I resent that
you decide which one is more fitting?
I'm outa here before my sarcastic side takes over and I cause another "flame thread"
Mark J
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