A bit tired of hearing Sony/Nikon fanboys go on&on about sensors - their pics NEVER show it! Show!

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Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
 
I have the M and many other cameras and yes, the Nikon and Sony APS-C sensors are better. There must be millions of pictures on the internet, all searchable by you so what is the point of posting here.

You won't change your mind so why bother?
 
Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53762234

There is a pic of a recent Sony sensor that has certain flaws in high dynamic range or flare situations. The truth is the 16Mp Sony Exmor, the 24MP D6x0, and 36MP D800 are the 'golden-age' of dynamic range sensors...there have been plenty of sensors made *afterwards* that may have higher pixel densities but worse performance in pattern noise, etc. DxOMark rates the A6000 sensor as being very good in dynamic range, but the engineering definition of signal and noise does not account for subjective appearance of noise. For example if there was noise that happened to put swastikas all over your image, the calculated signal/noise completely disregards how your eyes/brain happen to interpret that noise, etc.

The interesting thing is if you look at many sensors made *after* the golden age of Sony Exmor's many exhibit banding problems worse than many of the most recent Canons...

That is not to say that Canon sensors are good enough blah blah...the 16Mp Sony Exmor and the FF equivalents are very very nice sensors to have. Some can be bought at heavy discounts too because the 16MP is considered 'outdated'.
 
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I am so delighted that you have more knowledge of my decision making and whether I can change my mind that I do, plz tell me of this infinite wisdom you have of my mental ability.

On the subject of wisdom, why not show some by showing me pictures by the lousy Canon sensor and the PERFECT Sony/ET-al sensors and how the superiority creates a true real difference to the picture.

If there are MILLIONS, then show me 2 or 4 plz - that prove the point of course.

Of course the pictures MUST be of the exact same scene and time and very close settings, equal processing, etc.

To my very awful misfiring imperfect mind, that is the only way of real proof, no one-off picture can show this PERFECTION!

And yes I have seen lousy shot pictures, high contrast which show the AWFUL Canon sensor can not be as forgiving of lousy photographers, when processed to pull up shadows,etc, but those are NOT what I call normal pics.

But then maybe your inordinate wisdom is just too much for this itty-bitty intellect.

;)

SHOW ME!
I have the M and many other cameras and yes, the Nikon and Sony APS-C sensors are better. There must be millions of pictures on the internet, all searchable by you so what is the point of posting here.

You won't change your mind so why bother?
 
Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
Look at http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/

The differences are often blown out of proportion, but Sony sensor shadow recovery is genuinely superior to Canon. Fred Miranda shows this quite clearly.
 
Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
Look at http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/

The differences are often blown out of proportion, but Sony sensor shadow recovery is genuinely superior to Canon. Fred Miranda shows this quite clearly.
I never get "shadow recovery". I tend to make blacks more black, not more grey.
 
Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
Look at http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/

The differences are often blown out of proportion, but Sony sensor shadow recovery is genuinely superior to Canon. Fred Miranda shows this quite clearly.
I never get "shadow recovery". I tend to make blacks more black, not more grey.
hmmm. I guess tastes vary.



Not a great photo, but a heck of a lot better than before I pulled the shadows big time

Not a great photo, but a heck of a lot better than before I pulled the shadows big time
 
Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
Look at http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review/

The differences are often blown out of proportion, but Sony sensor shadow recovery is genuinely superior to Canon. Fred Miranda shows this quite clearly.
I never get "shadow recovery". I tend to make blacks more black, not more grey.
hmmm. I guess tastes vary.

Not a great photo, but a heck of a lot better than before I pulled the shadows big time

Not a great photo, but a heck of a lot better than before I pulled the shadows big time
What is the result? Not a great photo. Problem is the foreground and composition.

So what good did all that shadow pulling do?I can pull shadows up with my 6D too, but i'd rather concentrate on nice photos... Those are hard enough to make as it is.
 
Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
Nex-6 against the sun, foreground pulled a great deal with great results.

No doubt better than the M I've got now.



DSC00395.jpg




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Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
Nex-6 against the sun, foreground pulled a great deal with great results.

No doubt better than the M I've got now.

DSC00395.jpg


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Good example.
 
I actually quite like the look I get with the Canon sensor a lot of the time. The colors are "yummy" and it has a bit more contrast and "punch". But it is not as forgiving - especially in very high contrast situations. I'm very glad to have that extra dynamic range with Sony for certain dramatic landscape scenes.

As far as I'm concerned each has its own appeals - and frustrations. Kind of like using different kinds of film.

This comparison I did shows some of that difference (though I was not trying to compare DR & sensors).

 
I actually quite like the look I get with the Canon sensor a lot of the time. The colors are "yummy" and it has a bit more contrast and "punch". But it is not as forgiving - especially in very high contrast situations. I'm very glad to have that extra dynamic range with Sony for certain dramatic landscape scenes.

As far as I'm concerned each has its own appeals - and frustrations. Kind of like using different kinds of film.

This comparison I did shows some of that difference (though I was not trying to compare DR & sensors).

http://www.talkemount.com/showthread.php?t=5663
 
I will personally wait until photokina for new eos m. If canon does not release new model by then, I will move to Sony A6000
 
Nex-6 against the sun, foreground pulled a great deal with great results.

No doubt better than the M I've got now.
How do you know that?
Did you try EOS M immediately after that shot?
btw, that pic is horrible, bad NEX colors. But it is ok, I didn’t see good NEX pic ever, NEX sensors are mess.
 
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I will personally wait until photokina for new eos m. If canon does not release new model by then, I will move to Sony A6000
How far do we keep on going on making excuses? As I recalled, many of us were disappointed with Canon last year site 2014 CP+ Show in March as an absolute deadline for leaving.

I love my "M" (will keep the M+22 until it broke). But the news of a cheap $299 Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5–5.6 IS STM with USA warranty (no import worrys) is making me reconsidering Canon SL1 DSLR for my future needs.

I prefer not going back to any DSLR, but Canon is pricing the SL1 very aggressively and it is increasing hard to say NO.
 
Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
Nex-6 against the sun, foreground pulled a great deal with great results.

No doubt better than the M I've got now.

DSC00395.jpg


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http://torbenbrenden.com
Good example.
Since it's it's not even an example, it can't possibly be a good example. An example, good, bad, or otherwise, would involve the same shot taken with two different cameras. Unless we see that shot taken with the M (or another Canon with similar sensor), we can't possibly tell whether the DR advantages of the Sony sensor would make an actual difference. Simply saying that's it's better than the M doesn't get us anywhere. The OP's perfectly reasonable point was that we never get to see actual pictures taken with both cameras in the same conditions that are worthwhile. No-one disputes that you can come up with situations in which extreme shadow recovery on Sony sensors looks better than the same degree of shadow recovery on Canon sensors. All the examples I have seen are simply horrible pictures, that I wouldn't want to keep anyway. This picture isn't horrible, though it isn't that great either, but I have taken similar shots with my M that look good too.

Here are a couple of similar examples, shooting into the sun (sunrise in this case) with the M:



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To my eye, these look just as good, if not better, than the Nex-6 example. Of course, I don't have a Nex-6 version of these to compare. So they are also not examples of how one camera is better or worse than the other. They are examples, though, of what the M can do shooting into the sun.

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I will personally wait until photokina for new eos m. If canon does not release new model by then, I will move to Sony A6000
How far do we keep on going on making excuses? As I recalled, many of us were disappointed with Canon last year site 2014 CP+ Show in March as an absolute deadline for leaving.

I love my "M" (will keep the M+22 until it broke). But the news of a cheap $299 Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5–5.6 IS STM with USA warranty (no import worrys) is making me reconsidering Canon SL1 DSLR for my future needs.

I prefer not going back to any DSLR, but Canon is pricing the SL1 very aggressively and it is increasing hard to say NO.
Well I have DSLR (5d3) but since I have M i am using 5d only when I go somewhere with plan to shoot. M is almost always with me as the size allows that and I really enjoy it... But it would be really great to get EVF, improved AF, tilting LCD, manual focus aid... I would pay for such M without hesitating the price Sony asks for A6000. And current M sensor is just fine for me, if we do not take AF performance into account. Currently taking foto of kids is quite difficult and that is what I mostly want to do... Of course, i have so much Canon equipment that move to Sony mirrorless would be expensive and that is the reason I am still hoping for new sexy M.
 
I will personally wait until photokina for new eos m. If canon does not release new model by then, I will move to Sony A6000
How far do we keep on going on making excuses? As I recalled, many of us were disappointed with Canon last year site 2014 CP+ Show in March as an absolute deadline for leaving.

I love my "M" (will keep the M+22 until it broke). But the news of a cheap $299 Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5–5.6 IS STM with USA warranty (no import worrys) is making me reconsidering Canon SL1 DSLR for my future needs.

I prefer not going back to any DSLR, but Canon is pricing the SL1 very aggressively and it is increasing hard to say NO.
Well I have DSLR (5d3) but since I have M i am using 5d only when I go somewhere with plan to shoot. M is almost always with me as the size allows that and I really enjoy it... But it would be really great to get EVF, improved AF, tilting LCD, manual focus aid... I would pay for such M without hesitating the price Sony asks for A6000. And current M sensor is just fine for me, if we do not take AF performance into account. Currently taking foto of kids is quite difficult and that is what I mostly want to do... Of course, i have so much Canon equipment that move to Sony mirrorless would be expensive and that is the reason I am still hoping for new sexy M.
Not really, an AF/aperture enabling adapter for an A6000 is basically the same as the adapter for EOS EF/MP-E/TS-E lenses for the EOS M.
 
Plz show me the diff !!

Post a 'normal' artsy or otherwise pic that ACTUALLY SHOWS this miraculous difference that gives you fanboys your orgasms!!!

Plz, I really want to see this incredible diff, AND NOT poorly exposed high contast BS pics - REAL honest to God and Man pictures !

Thanks, and I really mean this.
Nex-6 against the sun, foreground pulled a great deal with great results.

No doubt better than the M I've got now.

DSC00395.jpg


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http://torbenbrenden.com
Good example.
Since it's it's not even an example, it can't possibly be a good example. An example, good, bad, or otherwise, would involve the same shot taken with two different cameras. Unless we see that shot taken with the M (or another Canon with similar sensor), we can't possibly tell whether the DR advantages of the Sony sensor would make an actual difference. Simply saying that's it's better than the M doesn't get us anywhere. The OP's perfectly reasonable point was that we never get to see actual pictures taken with both cameras in the same conditions that are worthwhile. No-one disputes that you can come up with situations in which extreme shadow recovery on Sony sensors looks better than the same degree of shadow recovery on Canon sensors. All the examples I have seen are simply horrible pictures, that I wouldn't want to keep anyway. This picture isn't horrible, though it isn't that great either, but I have taken similar shots with my M that look good too.

Here are a couple of similar examples, shooting into the sun (sunrise in this case) with the M:

webraw2-2588-X2.jpg


webraw2-2591-XL.jpg


To my eye, these look just as good, if not better, than the Nex-6 example. Of course, I don't have a Nex-6 version of these to compare. So they are also not examples of how one camera is better or worse than the other. They are examples, though, of what the M can do shooting into the sun.

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The latter image looks like quite unattractive, surly you would agree? Just look at the posterised sky. If we are going by exposure, the first image has about 4times the amount of light as the one I posted.

f/8, 1/60s, ISO400 vs f/8, 1/125, ISO200

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I will personally wait until photokina for new eos m. If canon does not release new model by then, I will move to Sony A6000
How far do we keep on going on making excuses? As I recalled, many of us were disappointed with Canon last year site 2014 CP+ Show in March as an absolute deadline for leaving.

I love my "M" (will keep the M+22 until it broke). But the news of a cheap $299 Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5–5.6 IS STM with USA warranty (no import worrys) is making me reconsidering Canon SL1 DSLR for my future needs.

I prefer not going back to any DSLR, but Canon is pricing the SL1 very aggressively and it is increasing hard to say NO.
Well, I have SL1 and really considering going for M instead. It has one more button here and dial here, which is not so important in my case, and only better thing about it is fast focus, while M has faster liveview, better image preview (color histogram, now focus peaking and stuff). This became to have greater weigt than being able to focus as many times in a second as I managed to push the button with SL1. Cool feature, but it will be forgotten in dust.
Sl1 is not really pocketable and definitely not with bigger than 40mm pancake, holding is not really that great (but good for size) so maybe 600D/700D is better anyway. But I think main reason is unusable LV and pretty unusable viewfinder. Unles it has much bigger magnification and 100% covering, the camera is LOST.

Can you please tell me why you want to go away from M to SL1? I´m curious to hear when I´m on exactly on the opposite way.
 

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