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This morning, I shot a bunch of Macro's in TIFF mode, and downloaded them via card reader to my PC. I should state that I'm running XP Pro, which automatically starts a Microsoft viewer so you can look at your pictures after the download completes. This is where I do a quick look see, and delete the obvious bad ones. I also will rotate shots 90 degrees, as needed. This morning, I couldn't decide on which perspective looked better on some of the shots, and rotated them several times - something I usually do in PS, but I was still in the Microsoft viewer at this time.

When opening these pictures in PS, I got a message box saying these files may be truncated or corrupted, do I want to continue - Y/N? I chose Y, and the pictures did open. Of course, this happened as I was getting ready to come into work, so I didn't have time to investigate what this message means, or verify anything other then the pictures do open in PS.

My guess is the rotation is the cause, but I don't know if these shots are negatively effected, or even still usable.

My question is really two-fold:

Are these files (pictures) usable? Or do they go to the recycle bin?

Are they repairable? I wonderd if doing a slight crop, then "save", or "save- as", would correct the problem?

Any help or insight would be appreciated!!!

DaveZ
UZI
 
Are the originals still on the card?
Dave Zz said:
This morning, I shot a bunch of Macro's in TIFF mode, and
downloaded them via card reader to my PC. I should state that I'm
running XP Pro, which automatically starts a Microsoft viewer so
you can look at your pictures after the download completes. This is
where I do a quick look see, and delete the obvious bad ones. I
also will rotate shots 90 degrees, as needed. This morning, I
couldn't decide on which perspective looked better on some of the
shots, and rotated them several times - something I usually do in
PS, but I was still in the Microsoft viewer at this time.

When opening these pictures in PS, I got a message box saying these
files may be truncated or corrupted, do I want to continue - Y/N?
I chose Y, and the pictures did open. Of course, this happened as I
was getting ready to come into work, so I didn't have time to
investigate what this message means, or verify anything other then
the pictures do open in PS.

My guess is the rotation is the cause, but I don't know if these
shots are negatively effected, or even still usable.

My question is really two-fold:

Are these files (pictures) usable? Or do they go to the recycle bin?

Are they repairable? I wonderd if doing a slight crop, then "save",
or "save- as", would correct the problem?

Any help or insight would be appreciated!!!

DaveZ
UZI
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No, I erased them right after downloading and looking at them with the Microsoft viewer. That's my normal workflow when I am at home, and I've never had this error before.

It's also my luck!!!!

Thanks for your post Gordon!

DaveZ
UZI
Gordon Uchenick said:
Dave Zz said:
This morning, I shot a bunch of Macro's in TIFF mode, and
downloaded them via card reader to my PC. I should state that I'm
running XP Pro, which automatically starts a Microsoft viewer so
you can look at your pictures after the download completes. This is
where I do a quick look see, and delete the obvious bad ones. I
also will rotate shots 90 degrees, as needed. This morning, I
couldn't decide on which perspective looked better on some of the
shots, and rotated them several times - something I usually do in
PS, but I was still in the Microsoft viewer at this time.

When opening these pictures in PS, I got a message box saying these
files may be truncated or corrupted, do I want to continue - Y/N?
I chose Y, and the pictures did open. Of course, this happened as I
was getting ready to come into work, so I didn't have time to
investigate what this message means, or verify anything other then
the pictures do open in PS.

My guess is the rotation is the cause, but I don't know if these
shots are negatively effected, or even still usable.

My question is really two-fold:

Are these files (pictures) usable? Or do they go to the recycle bin?

Are they repairable? I wonderd if doing a slight crop, then "save",
or "save- as", would correct the problem?

Any help or insight would be appreciated!!!

DaveZ
UZI
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Dave, many of us (who wouldn't bet on a horse) always have a plan - Ha!

Plan A: When I download from my Sandisk Dual Reader to my hard drive using Windows Explorer, I use the copy command and paste them into two directories, one for the originals and one for working on. Never work on the originals and if something goes wrong on the working copy you can go to the originals and copy it again.

Plan B: When I have enough of the originals I burn them to a CD, in the meantime I burn them to a backup CD just in case.

CC
Dave Zz said:
It's also my luck!!!!

Thanks for your post Gordon!

DaveZ
UZI
Gordon Uchenick said:
Dave Zz said:
This morning, I shot a bunch of Macro's in TIFF mode, and
downloaded them via card reader to my PC. I should state that I'm
running XP Pro, which automatically starts a Microsoft viewer so
you can look at your pictures after the download completes. This is
where I do a quick look see, and delete the obvious bad ones. I
also will rotate shots 90 degrees, as needed. This morning, I
couldn't decide on which perspective looked better on some of the
shots, and rotated them several times - something I usually do in
PS, but I was still in the Microsoft viewer at this time.

When opening these pictures in PS, I got a message box saying these
files may be truncated or corrupted, do I want to continue - Y/N?
I chose Y, and the pictures did open. Of course, this happened as I
was getting ready to come into work, so I didn't have time to
investigate what this message means, or verify anything other then
the pictures do open in PS.

My guess is the rotation is the cause, but I don't know if these
shots are negatively effected, or even still usable.

My question is really two-fold:

Are these files (pictures) usable? Or do they go to the recycle bin?

Are they repairable? I wonderd if doing a slight crop, then "save",
or "save- as", would correct the problem?

Any help or insight would be appreciated!!!

DaveZ
UZI
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I see the logic in your workflow, but where do you weed out the non-keepers? I take a lot of shots that I delete right after I download them ~ too hard to tell by looking on the camera sometimes!!

The first thing I do, when editing a picture, is make a duplicate. I have folders labeled by Month/Year, and both originals and any copies are in the same folder. I don't see that as a problem, except for organization ~ but that's enough reason for me to rethink my workflow....

But wait ~ it gets better!! To date, every picture I've taken is on my hard drive!! I don't think I have as many as you do, but so far i haven't gotten around to burning any of them to CD yet!! I have a copy of Photo Album, but it's still in the box! I've been too wrapped up in taking and editing the pictures ~ hey, that's the fun stuff!!

Maybe this little glitch is a blessing in disguise! Thanks for sharing your workflow CC!! With my wife now owning a digital camera, I think I need to orginize things, and come up with a plan that is safe and logical for all.

Now, if I could just find out if those pictures are ruined.....

DaveZ
UZI
Canadian Club said:
Plan A: When I download from my Sandisk Dual Reader to my hard
drive using Windows Explorer, I use the copy command and paste them
into two directories, one for the originals and one for working on.
Never work on the originals and if something goes wrong on the
working copy you can go to the originals and copy it again.

Plan B: When I have enough of the originals I burn them to a CD, in
the meantime I burn them to a backup CD just in case.

CC
Dave Zz said:
It's also my luck!!!!

Thanks for your post Gordon!

DaveZ
UZI
Gordon Uchenick said:
Dave Zz said:
This morning, I shot a bunch of Macro's in TIFF mode, and
downloaded them via card reader to my PC. I should state that I'm
running XP Pro, which automatically starts a Microsoft viewer so
you can look at your pictures after the download completes. This is
where I do a quick look see, and delete the obvious bad ones. I
also will rotate shots 90 degrees, as needed. This morning, I
couldn't decide on which perspective looked better on some of the
shots, and rotated them several times - something I usually do in
PS, but I was still in the Microsoft viewer at this time.

When opening these pictures in PS, I got a message box saying these
files may be truncated or corrupted, do I want to continue - Y/N?
I chose Y, and the pictures did open. Of course, this happened as I
was getting ready to come into work, so I didn't have time to
investigate what this message means, or verify anything other then
the pictures do open in PS.

My guess is the rotation is the cause, but I don't know if these
shots are negatively effected, or even still usable.

My question is really two-fold:

Are these files (pictures) usable? Or do they go to the recycle bin?

Are they repairable? I wonderd if doing a slight crop, then "save",
or "save- as", would correct the problem?

Any help or insight would be appreciated!!!

DaveZ
UZI
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/otfchallenge/george_mocks_3d_frame_gallery
Canadian Club (with a chaser)
C-21OO&Nikon95O&E1OORS&DPS9OOO



Marshal Ferdinand Foch in 1911: 'Airplanes are interesting toys,
but they have no military value.'
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Dave Zz said:
But wait ~ it gets better!! To date, every picture I've taken is on
my hard drive!! I don't think I have as many as you do, but so far
i haven't gotten around to burning any of them to CD yet!!
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Are you aware of the average hard drive failure rate?
100%

Just like light bulb failures, they all eventually go. Not a matter of IF , but WHEN .

Time to start burning. What to burn? All of it. Blanks are cheap, your pix are irreplaceable.

If you're pressed for time, and have USB (preferably 2.0) or Firewire on your system, run out and buy an external hard drive, hook it up, copy everything over to that, and then remove the drive for shelf storage when done. That'll keep you covered until you do burn them.
 
Dave,
Your files are still on the card unless you wrote more files to it.
Just use a recovery program and you can get them back.

When you delete a file the first letter in the file name is changed to a ?.
The tells the fat that it can use the space to right to.

The data is not removed or written over until you put more pictures on the card.
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Bill Huber, Fort Worth, Tx
UZI, http://www.pbase.com/wlhuber
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Dave Zz said:
But wait ~ it gets better!! To date, every picture I've taken is on
my hard drive!! I don't think I have as many as you do, but so far
i haven't gotten around to burning any of them to CD yet!!
Click to expand...
Are you aware of the average hard drive failure rate?
100%
Just like light bulb failures, they all eventually go. Not a
matter of IF , but WHEN .
Time to start burning. What to burn? All of it. Blanks are
cheap, your pix are irreplaceable.
If you're pressed for time, and have USB (preferably 2.0) or
Firewire on your system, run out and buy an external hard drive,
hook it up, copy everything over to that, and then remove the drive
for shelf storage when done. That'll keep you covered until you do
burn them.
Click to expand...
 
It's late now (here!), so I'll have to look into that tomorrow. I erased the card in the camera, if that makes a difference. Also, I opened the suspect files. duplicated them. then did a save-as ~ they look fine! I don't really know if they were damaged at all???

But, I will try to follow some of the very sound advice shared with me in this thread! Lessons learned....

Thanks again Bill!!

DaveZ
UZI
Bill Huber said:
Dave,
Your files are still on the card unless you wrote more files to it.
Just use a recovery program and you can get them back.

When you delete a file the first letter in the file name is changed
to a ?.
The tells the fat that it can use the space to right to.

The data is not removed or written over until you put more pictures
on the card.
--
Bill Huber, Fort Worth, Tx
UZI, http://www.pbase.com/wlhuber
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Dave, when I copy from the card to my hard drive, the originals are untouched, it doesn't matter about non keepers, even if it is black with nothing on it stays in the originals - it gets weeded out in the work directory.

You might say that is dumb, but space is not a problem and the same burning them to a CD, so it is not necessary to take the time to even think about weeding out the originals - do it in the working directory and if you accidentally do something wrong there you can go and copy it again from the originals.

One other thing, when I have finished downloading, I look at the files in the working directory, (I use ThumbsPlus) and if they are okay, I delete the card while it is in the card reader, take it out and insert it back into the camera and ready to go again. I never have deleted while in the camera.

Hope this helps.

CC
Dave Zz said:
This morning, I shot a bunch of Macro's in TIFF mode, and
downloaded them via card reader to my PC. I should state that I'm
running XP Pro, which automatically starts a Microsoft viewer so
you can look at your pictures after the download completes. This is
where I do a quick look see, and delete the obvious bad ones. I
also will rotate shots 90 degrees, as needed. This morning, I
couldn't decide on which perspective looked better on some of the
shots, and rotated them several times - something I usually do in
PS, but I was still in the Microsoft viewer at this time.

When opening these pictures in PS, I got a message box saying these
files may be truncated or corrupted, do I want to continue - Y/N?
I chose Y, and the pictures did open. Of course, this happened as I
was getting ready to come into work, so I didn't have time to
investigate what this message means, or verify anything other then
the pictures do open in PS.

My guess is the rotation is the cause, but I don't know if these
shots are negatively effected, or even still usable.

My question is really two-fold:

Are these files (pictures) usable? Or do they go to the recycle bin?

Are they repairable? I wonderd if doing a slight crop, then "save",
or "save- as", would correct the problem?

Any help or insight would be appreciated!!!

DaveZ
UZI
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/otfchallenge/george_mocks_3d_frame_gallery
Canadian Club (with a chaser)
C-21OO&Nikon95O&E1OORS&DPS9OOO



Marshal Ferdinand Foch in 1911: 'Airplanes are interesting toys, but they have no military value.'
 
Depending on the formatting of the card, and whether you've written to it since, you should be able to get the originals off the card even after deleting them. With software such as easy recovery from ontrack, it is possible to recover the images. it might be worth a shot. Also, you might try the windows cache folders as the built in viewer in XP might make caches of the files when viewing in a similar manner as Internet Explorer.

B
Dave Zz said:
This morning, I shot a bunch of Macro's in TIFF mode, and
downloaded them via card reader to my PC. I should state that I'm
running XP Pro, which automatically starts a Microsoft viewer so
you can look at your pictures after the download completes. This is
where I do a quick look see, and delete the obvious bad ones. I
also will rotate shots 90 degrees, as needed. This morning, I
couldn't decide on which perspective looked better on some of the
shots, and rotated them several times - something I usually do in
PS, but I was still in the Microsoft viewer at this time.

When opening these pictures in PS, I got a message box saying these
files may be truncated or corrupted, do I want to continue - Y/N?
I chose Y, and the pictures did open. Of course, this happened as I
was getting ready to come into work, so I didn't have time to
investigate what this message means, or verify anything other then
the pictures do open in PS.

My guess is the rotation is the cause, but I don't know if these
shots are negatively effected, or even still usable.

My question is really two-fold:

Are these files (pictures) usable? Or do they go to the recycle bin?

Are they repairable? I wonderd if doing a slight crop, then "save",
or "save- as", would correct the problem?

Any help or insight would be appreciated!!!

DaveZ
UZI
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