My boss found out...

Lou Gonzalez

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...that I'm a "photographer" and wants me to take the photo for the front cover of our University's Faculty Staff Directory. I work in the Telecommunications division of a private college in Upstate NY and its a real honor for me to be chosen to do this since more than 20,000 copies get disbursed throughout our campus. Lots of people are gonna see it.

Which brings me to my question. I'm nervous becasue I don't know much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish" type of cardstock. The frustraating thing is that the people I'm doing this for have no clue what I need to provide as far as file formats or DPI. In the past all we've done is plain font headings and square graphics...

Can someone please give me some tips? Thanks!!!
--
Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
 
Increasing resolution can be done several different ways through Photoshop, True Fractals, or other programs. If this is below an 8X10, which it should be if it's going on the front of a directory, I don't think you'll have to increase the resolution from the max your 717 can produce. If you want to get the colors right you can either calibrate your screen (hardware adverstised on this site) or you can do test prints after you edit but before you submit the image. Don't worry about file type...the printer can give you that info, and I doubt it will be anything more exotic than a bitmap, jpeg, or something equally common.

Make the colors look the way you want, confirm that it'll look like that when they print it, and enjoy the compliments.
...that I'm a "photographer" and wants me to take the photo for the
front cover of our University's Faculty Staff Directory. I work in
the Telecommunications division of a private college in Upstate NY
and its a real honor for me to be chosen to do this since more than
20,000 copies get disbursed throughout our campus. Lots of people
are gonna see it.

Which brings me to my question. I'm nervous becasue I don't know
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock. The frustraating thing is that the people I'm
doing this for have no clue what I need to provide as far as file
formats or DPI. In the past all we've done is plain font headings
and square graphics...

Can someone please give me some tips? Thanks!!!
--
Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
--
Matt
 
I have a question for you, Lou.

Is your boss also paying you for this job? Or does he think he's getting a high-quality freebie?

A job like that would normally command a nice price. Just letting you know.

Additionally, while it's "fun" to get your work out there, will there be any indication as to WHO took the photo? Will your name receive credit somehow, so that using this as a tear sheet actually gets some mileage for future work and potential clients?
...that I'm a "photographer" and wants me to take the photo for the
front cover of our University's Faculty Staff Directory. I work in
the Telecommunications division of a private college in Upstate NY
and its a real honor for me to be chosen to do this since more than
20,000 copies get disbursed throughout our campus. Lots of people
are gonna see it.

Which brings me to my question. I'm nervous becasue I don't know
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock. The frustraating thing is that the people I'm
doing this for have no clue what I need to provide as far as file
formats or DPI. In the past all we've done is plain font headings
and square graphics...

Can someone please give me some tips? Thanks!!!
--
Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
--

Ulysses
 
I would shoot in TIF mode. Any print shop can use this format, although jpg in Fine mode is almost indistinguishable from TIF. Especially in the size they will be printing. Do an early morning or late evening shoot and catch the golden lights to add warmth to the photo. And of course, probably the best advise would be to personally contact the print shop and see what they can work with. Create folders on the CD, assuming you're burning one, and save different sampled images in each. If you shoot high rez, create some lower rez samples by resampling and talk to the webmaster of your school's homepage, providing them with a CD as well. He/she may be interested in using the final choice image on the page (maybe with a photographers credit). hehe!

Just my thoughts...
...that I'm a "photographer" and wants me to take the photo for the
front cover of our University's Faculty Staff Directory. I work in
the Telecommunications division of a private college in Upstate NY
and its a real honor for me to be chosen to do this since more than
20,000 copies get disbursed throughout our campus. Lots of people
are gonna see it.

Which brings me to my question. I'm nervous becasue I don't know
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock. The frustraating thing is that the people I'm
doing this for have no clue what I need to provide as far as file
formats or DPI. In the past all we've done is plain font headings
and square graphics...

Can someone please give me some tips? Thanks!!!
--
Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
--
Stewart Marston
DSC-F717, DSC-S50, Promaster 5750DX

\(')/
(o o)
-----------------------------ooO-( )-Ooo------------------------------
 
What an opportunity. Even if you don't get paid, I hope you'll get credited. Sorry I can't help you out regarding getting an image ready for publishing. One thing I do recall is that publishers use CMYK instead of RBG color, so you might need to convert and edit in that format to get exactly what you want. Have you tried a Google search?
 
Hi, Lou, all you should need to provide is the highest resolution image your equipment is capable of. Don't be intimidated by printers, they always seem, to me anyway, to act like they're doing you some big favor to print your work. If something needs to be "converted" whatever that means, let them do it. Of course they're going to try to get you to do it because if you do it it's less work and therefore more $$ for them, and they can blame you if something goes wrong. Don't fall for it. Give them a highest res file on disk and a sample print of what you want it to look like and they have to take it from there, except don't let them crop or reproportion the picture, if a certain proportion of width to height is needed, you do that so it looks how you want it. Also be sure to let them know that you want to approve a sample before they print all the covers. Can you tell that I have had less than satisfactory interactions with printers? Maybe your printer will be friendly and cooperative, who knows?
Lou Gonzalez wrote:
I'm nervous becasue I don't know
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock.
 
...that I'm a "photographer" and wants me to take the photo for the
front cover of our University's Faculty Staff Directory. I work in
the Telecommunications division of a private college in Upstate NY
and its a real honor for me to be chosen to do this since more than
20,000 copies get disbursed throughout our campus. Lots of people
are gonna see it.

Which brings me to my question. I'm nervous becasue I don't know
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock. The frustraating thing is that the people I'm
doing this for have no clue what I need to provide as far as file
formats or DPI. In the past all we've done is plain font headings
and square graphics...

Can someone please give me some tips? Thanks!!!
--
Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
--
Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
 
It is not going to make any difference if you take your photo in TIFF or JPEG Fine or JPEG Standard on the F717. Remember, you're not printing a giant billboard or in the National Geographic. For this project, the photo will end up on "a 'phonebookish' type of cardstock".

If you like TIFF, and have big Memory Sticks, go right ahead. But trust me, your photo will go through so many changes by the time it gets onto the cardstock that TIFF vs. JPEG Fine vs. JPEG Standard will be the least of your worries.

HOW MANY PIXELS?

The halftone screen used by the printer to turn continuous-tone photos into little printable blobs ...



... is measured in Lines Per Inch. A printed line does not equal a digital photographic pixel. To find how many Pixels Per Inch are necessary to give good quality, multiply LPI by 1.5 or (to be extra safe) 2. This page has one of the best, quick overviews of this concept:

http://faculty.kutztown.edu/decoster/IntroDigital_1/introDigital_1_images2.html

If your university's publication uses 133 or 150 LPI halftone screens, which is standard for typical magazines, then using the extra-safe formula of LPI*2=PPI, you will need to provide 266 or 300 pixels per printed inch. (I'll bet that the cardstock cover uses 133 LPI or less, but since you were asked to provide a photo at 300 PPI, let's use that figure.)

How big should your photo be? Multiply the cover photo dimensions in inches by 300. For example, if the cover is 8.5 x 11 and your photo fills the cover, then at 300 PPI your submitted photo should be (8.5*300) x (11*300) or 2550 x 3300 pixels.

This is actually nominal, since to print a full bleed (off the edge) you should provide about 1/8 inch over on each side that bleeds. The final result for 1/8" full bleed on all four sides is (8.75*300) x (11.25*300) or 2625 x 3375 pixels.

PICTURE FORMAT AND SIZE

While you want your photographic subject to fill the frame pretty well, don't get too close to the edge when framing the shot. This is because of two factors:

-- Your photo and the printed page are likely to be different proportions. The F717's highest resolution format, of 2560 x 1920, is 1.33:1. An 11 x 8.5 sheet of paper is slightly narrower, at 1.294:1. A bit of the F717 photo will have to be cut off.

-- If there is a bleed remember to have a little "breathing room" on each bleed side, which may get cut off or not printed.

ENLARGING IN PHOTOSHOP

You will have to use Photoshop or equivalent to enlarge the photo to the desired 300PPI size. For an 8.5 x 11 bleed (2625 x 3375), the enlargement from the F717's maximum size of 1920 x 2560 will be 136%. The result will be 2625 x 3500. Remember about the proportion -- you'll have to cut 62 pixels off one side and 63 off the other to get to the final size of 2625 x 3375.

Although there is always some loss of quality in enlarging, 136 percent is nothing to worry about for this particular print project.

For the next step, getting the file to the printer, there are two potentially confusing things.

WHAT FILE FORMAT? IT SHOULDN'T MATTER

One is that the printer will probably say they must have the digital file in TIFF mode (or maybe BMP or EPS or whatever). They don't -- you could supply a high quality JPEG (saved using low compression) and they should be competent enough to convert it into their preferred format. But I have found that printers tend to be obstinant and stick to lines like "We must have it in TIFF mode, all others are unacceptable."

So if you can provide TIFF (or BMP or EPS or whatever), great. But its just as fine if you can provide a high quality JPEG and they can convert it. Hooray for the more advanced print shop!

On your print project, there will be no difference in printed quality between TIFF and a high-quality JPEG. None, zip, nada. However, in file size the difference is big. A 2625 x 3375 TIFF photo is about 15MB vs 3.6MB for the same picture in high-quality JPEG.

CONVERTING FROM RGB TO CMYK: LET THEM DO IT

The second point is more important. The picture will have to get converted from RGB color space (what the F717 provides) to CMYK (4-color printed ink) color space. RGB color space is wider meaning your photo will appear duller (less color range) in CMYK. Sorry, not much can be done about this.

I firmly believe the print shop should do the conversion from RGB to CMYK. They can tweak it and do whatever to make it look as good as possible. But if for some reason they make YOU do it, here's the procedure in Photoshop.

Open the photo. Note the Photoshop title bar has "(RGB)" in it, indicating an RGB colorspace photo. Go to Image/Mode; note that RGB Color is checked. Select CMYK Color instead. Save the file, adding "CMYK" to the filename (before the .tif or .jpg suffix) so you can tell it is in CMYK mode. You may want to close the picture, then reopen your saved CMYK version to be sure it loads back in and says "(CMYK)" in the Photoshop title bar.

A FINAL NOTE

Congratulations on getting the recognition and chance to do a high-profile cover for your university! You'll be very excited once you see your work in print.

Best wishes on getting it done with as high a quality and least amount of hassle as possible,

-- Patrick Murphy
 
I should have mentioned that when you are in Photoshop (or whatever editing program), it is a good idea to set the image size at 300 pixels per inch. For Photoshop proper, use the Image Size dialog:



If your image is at the 2625 x 3375 pixels discussed in my previous message, when you type "300" in the Resolution box, the Width and Height box should magically say 8.75 and 11.25 (the size including 1/8" bleed area on all four sides).

Note that you haven't really changed the image size! Your photo still has 2625 x 3375 pixels. What you changed is a scaling factor so if you happen to print your 2625 x 3375 pixels at 300 PPI, then you conveniently are told the printed size will be 8.75 x 11.25. This scaling information gets saved into the file.

This is not a vital step. It just makes printers happy to see 300 PPI and the correct print dimensions when they open the file. If they see 72 PPI and dimensions of 36.458 x 46.875 inches, they may freak out even though it is the exact same thing -- an image with 2625 x 3375 pixels.



-- Patrick "Now, that's an answer!" Murphy
 
Patrick Murphy wrote VERY ENLIGHTENING and vital information.

Something I always wanted to know, but did not know how to ask the questions nor whom to ask them.

Thank you so much for the essence of years of practise and knowledge shared so freely to us, thirsty to know. You just about leveled the last hurdle on the subject put up by my ignorance. We are now more free to attempt a larger circle of opportunities, hidden before you spoke.
Thank YOU again.

--
Bernd Taeger
 
It's "nice" to feel honored by the boss using your pics for a front cover and all that, but if they were hiring a photographer to do this job, I'd dare say that it could command a pretty penny.

--

Ulysses
 
It is not going to make any difference if you take your photo in
TIFF or JPEG Fine or JPEG Standard on the F717. Remember, you're
not printing a giant billboard or in the National Geographic. For
this project, the photo will end up on "a 'phonebookish' type of
cardstock".

If you like TIFF, and have big Memory Sticks, go right ahead. But
trust me, your photo will go through so many changes by the time it
gets onto the cardstock that TIFF vs. JPEG Fine vs. JPEG Standard
will be the least of your worries.

HOW MANY PIXELS?

The halftone screen used by the printer to turn continuous-tone
photos into little printable blobs ...



... is measured in Lines Per Inch. A printed line does not equal a
digital photographic pixel. To find how many Pixels Per Inch are
necessary to give good quality, multiply LPI by 1.5 or (to be
extra safe) 2. This page has one of the best, quick overviews of
this concept:

http://faculty.kutztown.edu/decoster/IntroDigital_1/introDigital_1_images2.html

If your university's publication uses 133 or 150 LPI halftone
screens, which is standard for typical magazines, then using the
extra-safe formula of LPI*2=PPI, you will need to provide 266 or
300 pixels per printed inch. (I'll bet that the cardstock cover
uses 133 LPI or less, but since you were asked to provide a photo
at 300 PPI, let's use that figure.)

How big should your photo be? Multiply the cover photo dimensions
in inches by 300. For example, if the cover is 8.5 x 11 and your
photo fills the cover, then at 300 PPI your submitted photo should
be (8.5*300) x (11*300) or 2550 x 3300 pixels.

This is actually nominal, since to print a full bleed (off the
edge) you should provide about 1/8 inch over on each side that
bleeds. The final result for 1/8" full bleed on all four sides is
(8.75*300) x (11.25*300) or 2625 x 3375 pixels.

PICTURE FORMAT AND SIZE

While you want your photographic subject to fill the frame pretty
well, don't get too close to the edge when framing the shot. This
is because of two factors:

-- Your photo and the printed page are likely to be different
proportions. The F717's highest resolution format, of 2560 x 1920,
is 1.33:1. An 11 x 8.5 sheet of paper is slightly narrower, at
1.294:1. A bit of the F717 photo will have to be cut off.

-- If there is a bleed remember to have a little "breathing
room" on each bleed side, which may get cut off or not printed.

ENLARGING IN PHOTOSHOP

You will have to use Photoshop or equivalent to enlarge the photo
to the desired 300PPI size. For an 8.5 x 11 bleed (2625 x 3375),
the enlargement from the F717's maximum size of 1920 x 2560 will be
136%. The result will be 2625 x 3500. Remember about the proportion
-- you'll have to cut 62 pixels off one side and 63 off the other
to get to the final size of 2625 x 3375.

Although there is always some loss of quality in enlarging, 136
percent is nothing to worry about for this particular print project.

For the next step, getting the file to the printer, there are two
potentially confusing things.

WHAT FILE FORMAT? IT SHOULDN'T MATTER

One is that the printer will probably say they must have the
digital file in TIFF mode (or maybe BMP or EPS or whatever). They
don't -- you could supply a high quality JPEG (saved using low
compression) and they should be competent enough to convert it into
their preferred format. But I have found that printers tend to be
obstinant and stick to lines like "We must have it in TIFF mode,
all others are unacceptable."

So if you can provide TIFF (or BMP or EPS or whatever), great. But
its just as fine if you can provide a high quality JPEG and they
can convert it. Hooray for the more advanced print shop!

On your print project, there will be no difference in printed
quality between TIFF and a high-quality JPEG. None, zip, nada.
However, in file size the difference is big. A 2625 x 3375 TIFF
photo is about 15MB vs 3.6MB for the same picture in high-quality
JPEG.

CONVERTING FROM RGB TO CMYK: LET THEM DO IT

The second point is more important. The picture will have to get
converted from RGB color space (what the F717 provides) to CMYK
(4-color printed ink) color space. RGB color space is wider meaning
your photo will appear duller (less color range) in CMYK. Sorry,
not much can be done about this.

I firmly believe the print shop should do the conversion from RGB
to CMYK. They can tweak it and do whatever to make it look as good
as possible. But if for some reason they make YOU do it, here's the
procedure in Photoshop.

Open the photo. Note the Photoshop title bar has "(RGB)" in it,
indicating an RGB colorspace photo. Go to Image/Mode; note that RGB
Color is checked. Select CMYK Color instead. Save the file, adding
"CMYK" to the filename (before the .tif or .jpg suffix) so you can
tell it is in CMYK mode. You may want to close the picture, then
reopen your saved CMYK version to be sure it loads back in and says
"(CMYK)" in the Photoshop title bar.

A FINAL NOTE

Congratulations on getting the recognition and chance to do a
high-profile cover for your university! You'll be very excited once
you see your work in print.

Best wishes on getting it done with as high a quality and least
amount of hassle as possible,

-- Patrick Murphy
--
Burnie/SAIII
 
I'm not getting anything extra for this (maybe a pat on the back :). She did however clearly state that I will get full credit for it in the directory. And if it went over well, I could do it every year if I wished. But before she found out about me, they were given 640x480 images from PR to look through at no cost to them, but the choices were pitiful.

Nonetheless I'm excited to be a part of it.

Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
Is your boss also paying you for this job? Or does he think he's
getting a high-quality freebie?

A job like that would normally command a nice price. Just letting
you know.

Additionally, while it's "fun" to get your work out there, will
there be any indication as to WHO took the photo? Will your name
receive credit somehow, so that using this as a tear sheet actually
gets some mileage for future work and potential clients?
...that I'm a "photographer" and wants me to take the photo for the
front cover of our University's Faculty Staff Directory. I work in
the Telecommunications division of a private college in Upstate NY
and its a real honor for me to be chosen to do this since more than
20,000 copies get disbursed throughout our campus. Lots of people
are gonna see it.

Which brings me to my question. I'm nervous becasue I don't know
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock. The frustraating thing is that the people I'm
doing this for have no clue what I need to provide as far as file
formats or DPI. In the past all we've done is plain font headings
and square graphics...

Can someone please give me some tips? Thanks!!!
--
Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
--

Ulysses
 
Those are some good suggestions! And the image I cook up for the front page will be posted on many web pages so I'll keep that in mind. And I'll definitely talk to the print shop.

Thanks!

Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
Just my thoughts...
...that I'm a "photographer" and wants me to take the photo for the
front cover of our University's Faculty Staff Directory. I work in
the Telecommunications division of a private college in Upstate NY
and its a real honor for me to be chosen to do this since more than
20,000 copies get disbursed throughout our campus. Lots of people
are gonna see it.

Which brings me to my question. I'm nervous becasue I don't know
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock. The frustraating thing is that the people I'm
doing this for have no clue what I need to provide as far as file
formats or DPI. In the past all we've done is plain font headings
and square graphics...

Can someone please give me some tips? Thanks!!!
--
Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
--
Stewart Marston
DSC-F717, DSC-S50, Promaster 5750DX

\(')/
(o o)
-----------------------------ooO-( )-Ooo------------------------------
 
Very helpful feedback! Thanks!

Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock.
 
Yes. My boss says I will get full credit for it though in the directory. And frankly speaking, I don't mind not getting paid. Other than Photographers, how many people get to take pictures during the work day. I'm loving the fact that I get to leave my desk!

:)

Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
...that I'm a "photographer" and wants me to take the photo for the
front cover of our University's Faculty Staff Directory. I work in
the Telecommunications division of a private college in Upstate NY
and its a real honor for me to be chosen to do this since more than
20,000 copies get disbursed throughout our campus. Lots of people
are gonna see it.

Which brings me to my question. I'm nervous becasue I don't know
much about prepping the photo for print. Someone told me that the
image has to look good at least 300 dpi, and that before sending
it, I would have to "convert" it? What exactly do I need to do to
prep it for the print shop? It will be printed on a "phonebookish"
type of cardstock. The frustraating thing is that the people I'm
doing this for have no clue what I need to provide as far as file
formats or DPI. In the past all we've done is plain font headings
and square graphics...

Can someone please give me some tips? Thanks!!!
--
Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
--
Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
 
Patrick,

I apologize for my late response but I just wanted to echo what others have already said. Thank you for your insightful and detailed answer. I'm prining your response out and keeping it safe for future use.

Your a true asset to STF.

Lou

http://www.pbase.com/loug
Sony F717, MCON 35, TCON14B, WCON08B
Sunpak 383, Cokin / Hoya Filters, Epson Stylus 890
A FINAL NOTE

Congratulations on getting the recognition and chance to do a
high-profile cover for your university! You'll be very excited once
you see your work in print.

Best wishes on getting it done with as high a quality and least
amount of hassle as possible,

-- Patrick Murphy
 

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