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The above improvements should pull in more wedding photographers; especially sRAW and low light and ISO performance enhancements. Big complaint I hear is the large 36mp files and sRAW will help with that.
estimates based on the D4s's small raw mode are that for a ~35mb 12 bit lossy raw at 36mp, you'd get a 32mb 12-ish bit lossy pseudo-raw at 9mp with tone curves, gamma, and i think WB baked already applied to it.

sound useful to wedding shooters? sound useful to anyone?

granted, it might add up with a lot of pictures, but it's saving you less than 10% per file, by throwing away 3/4 of the resolution and some of the flexibility.
 
No AA is more significant than it may seem because 800E does have AA filters, canceling each other.
does the D800s actually have NO AA filter? or the same canceling AA filters as the D800e?
The D800E had the canceling arrangement to keep the same assembly line with D800. No point in doing the same if it is just one model.
 
The D800E had the canceling arrangement to keep the same assembly line with D800. No point in doing the same if it is just one model.
yeah, but to be fair, nikon seems to be doing a lot of pointless things lately...
 
The D800E had the canceling arrangement to keep the same assembly line with D800. No point in doing the same if it is just one model.
yeah, but to be fair, nikon seems to be doing a lot of pointless things lately...
Can't blame them in particular, it seems to be a broad initiative these days :)
 
More data about the sensor...


There are a couple of interesting aspects of that rumor:
1)
Nikon will not get a new Sony generation sensor (we were used before with Nikon FF cameras getting brand new Sony sensors 6 months ahead of Sony itself).
2) Nikon will not add 4K to their pro FF cameras. If Sony A99II will have 4K this will be one big unique selling point for Sony.
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
 
What do you see there being, in the way of noticeable differences, between the cancelling AA filters and simply no filter?
Canceling is never exact, with simple cover glass there is more flexibility in counteracting flare and reflections, sandwiched filters are more complex and present more QA/QC issues, including focus performance.
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D
 
What do you see there being, in the way of noticeable differences, between the cancelling AA filters and simply no filter?
Canceling is never exact, with simple cover glass there is more flexibility in counteracting flare and reflections, sandwiched filters are more complex and present more QA/QC issues, including focus performance.
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D

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The D800 and rumoured D800s are essentially the same camera with minor changes. Claiming one is a successor and the other isn't doesn't make any sense. Like saying the D4s is a successor to the D3 but the D4... no way.

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I highlighted where you're wrong. :-D

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If it was a new camera it would be a D900 ;)

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There's enough of a difference to move it into the realm of a D700 replacement for a lot of people. I have a D7100, D700, D800e, and D4. In my opinion, the 800e has the worst AF of the four, especially for my use - BIF. A D800S, with rumored D4s AF will fix that. Frame rate is 4 fps on D800/e. D700 gets me 8. D800s with grip is projected to be 6 with grip ( which I current have running D4 battery in it ), so if it's 6 at 36 mp, it might be 7 or 8 in one of the crop modes. Along with one stop better ISO, you have shifted the 800/800e more into the multi-purpose area that the D700 was / is. If the rumored spec. turns out to be true, I can get rid of all my bodies and be happy with an 800s. 4 fps is too slow, AF is just not on par with my D4 now, and one stop better on the ISO end; well.....................

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You mention 4fps for the D800 but say you can get 7 with a grip and crop mode with a D800s. Well you can use a grip and crop mode in a D800 as well.
Yes but you can get 6 fps ( if rumor is right ) in full FX mode. Which is a big improvement for me.
D800 has the D4 AF
Not by a long shot. I bought my D4 for one reason only - D800 AF was not satisfactory for BIF
, it's far from bad in the D800. I have used it for BIF using several different lenses, and it tracks well. I haven't compared it to a D4 though.
But I have. D7100 and D4 AF is far superior to D800 and now D800e
The D800 is already better in low light than a D700, the D800s will just be a bit better again. Progress after a few years, no big surprise.
Extra ISO is just an added bonus for me. Neither here nor there in regards to whether I would buy 800s or not. Higher frame rates / D4S AF = a reasonable replacement for D700 keeping in the same vein of applications. AND, for me a substantial upgrade for my 800e. D800 was the successor to the D700; but not a direct path update / upgrade.
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I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D
 
Yes but you can get 6 fps ( if rumor is right ) in full FX mode. Which is a big improvement for me.
And for me. I've done the D70s -> D200 -> D300 -> D700 -> D800e cycle, selling only the D70s so far.

The D800e has been a defacto D700 replacement for me. Even though I carry the D700 as a backup, I almost never use it. Even though I still have the D300, I use the D800e for wildlife, thanks to 16mp DX crop instead of 12.

The only thing I really miss from the D700 (which like my D300 has a grip and large battery for 8fps) is the frame rate. 4fps seems awfully slow when I've been shooting 8fps (and wishing for more) for 7 years. I've used the DX crop mode for wildlife to get 6fps, and I've missed shots that way because subjects were outside the crop lines. FX at 6fps would be ... adequate, and I hope for another 1 or 2 fps in a crop mode.

There is one other thing that has bothered me with the D800e, and that is the battery changes. Made worse by the insane pricing of the (double bay) charger. When I travel, I need to take the D700 as a backup, and that means potentially carrying 4 chargers, two of them pretty bulky.

If I get a D800s, and I'm favorable to that idea, (since the D9300 wildlife camera I'd also like is nowhere to be seen), I could finally have a 2-body combo that works well together, sharing the same charger(s).

There's not much wrong with a D800, but the frame rate still seems pokey to me after a year.

Better AF? Happy to see it, but I'm satisfied with what I have now.

Higher resolution LCD panel? Meh.

sRaw? Would never use it.
 
I think D800s is a legitimate D700 successor. If Nikon will advertise it as such, I think it will sell a lot of them. Of course I doubt Nikon will market it that way, because that would mean Nikon would have to acknowledge that D800 was never a D700 successor.
Why is it any more a D700 successor than the D800 was?
If you have to ask................................ :-D
 

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