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I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.
Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
Don't want to interrupt your preparation to patronise anyone, but National Geographic photographers have been shooting 'tribal' peoples since a very long time before zoom lenses were invented, with some success. I also have some experience, and rather than finding them to be skittish, I found them incredibly cooperative, in the same way as the public in western cities were before phones, the internet and 'street' paparazzi ruined everything. The only people I found to be difficult were natives who were so accustomed to being photographed that they started to expect a fee.I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.
Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
I get what you're trying to say. You're really proud of your 70-200 f4 lens and the shots you've taken. But I wish you also get what I'm trying to say. What's the need for dissing 135L users? Different strokes for different folks, as I said. You might prefer the range of your 70-200 but others might like to get close to people, talk to them, and in turn use a 50mm or 35mm or whatever to get close and interact with the people they shoot. Others might use tele, fisheye, whatever. Whatever floats your boat. And still, why the need to diss the 135L? Do you have a complex or something?I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.
Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
Right. Isolation, yes. Saturation, I hare my doubts. The images you see here are JPEGs transferred via WiFi from the 6D to an Android tablet and resized and saved as Lowest quality JPEG in Pixlr. They are a far cry from what they would look like with proper RAW PP.I appreciate what you're trying to say, and it may be true that the zoom permitted you to frame those shots in a way that wouldn't have been possible with a prime given the circumstances. I still can't help but think that those same shots would have better colour saturation and subject isolation if they'd been shot with the 135L or 85L.
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You don't get it if you think this thread is about my pride in the lens or the captured images. It is my response to a long-standing debate here generally between prime VS Zoom for travel and documentary and specifically between 135L VS. 70-200 F4 LISI get what you're trying to say. You're really proud of your 70-200 f4 lens and the shots you've taken. But I wish you also get what I'm trying to say. What's the need for dissing 135L users? Different strokes for different folks, as I said. You might prefer the range of your 70-200 but others might like to get close to people, talk to them, and in turn use a 50mm or 35mm or whatever to get close and interact with the people they shoot. Others might use tele, fisheye, whatever. Whatever floats your boat. And still, why the need to diss the 135L? Do you have a complex or something?I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.
Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
I recently sold my highly recognized and beloved 70-200 f/4L IS to buy the 135 f/2L.You don't get it if you think this thread is about my pride in the lens or the captured images. It is my response to a long-standing debate here generally between prime VS Zoom for travel and documentary and specifically between 135L VS. 70-200 F4 LISI get what you're trying to say. You're really proud of your 70-200 f4 lens and the shots you've taken. But I wish you also get what I'm trying to say. What's the need for dissing 135L users? Different strokes for different folks, as I said. You might prefer the range of your 70-200 but others might like to get close to people, talk to them, and in turn use a 50mm or 35mm or whatever to get close and interact with the people they shoot. Others might use tele, fisheye, whatever. Whatever floats your boat. And still, why the need to diss the 135L? Do you have a complex or something?I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.
Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
Yes I'm preaching for the 135L as you are preaching for zoom. You had the 135L before me, I'm happy for you...Philippe, this is more basic than the technicalities of the lenSes. It is about getting the shot at all and in the first place. And please, dont preach about the 135L. I owned it and sold it long before you got yours. I know that lens.
+1 That's what it's all about.I recently sold my highly recognized and beloved 70-200 f/4L IS to buy the 135 f/2L.
After less than a month this is my experience:
Indoor: I get portrait that I never got with the 70-200. In term of colors, details, interrest, aesthetical result. For sure I say "portrait". for wider 70mm will be still too tight, for me, so I switch anyway to my 40mm.
Outdoor: Landscape, Event, street. I always adapted my shooting style to my equipment and my possibilities. I do not feel more limited than when I had my 70-200. What happen if you need 400 or 600mm? Are you crying because you do not have the good lens?
And in final, but not the least, YES the 135 is a better lens than the 70-200. I owned both and was able to shoot same subject under same circumstances. The 135mm is crispiest and more detailed than the 70-200 at any aperture.
Also, discuss only about flexibility with the focal it's oversight about, what is much more important for me, the flexibility of the aperture and the DOF. Here, the 135mm is a winner also.
Your shots are great and you have the proper tool for your style. Congrats. Please accept that is valid for you, and a lot of others people, but that do not means that is a general rules for eveybody.
Keep shooting and post us again your nice photos but please also remain positive and constructive
I agree: there's no universal "best lens". We need to pick the one which is the best suited for the job. For weddings and other events I used the 70-200 with the 17-40. I fed up with event photography, so I sold my zooms, not to be able to restart, even at tempting offers.
Well, at least one of them is using the Nokia Lumia 1020...Yes, Al, but that was because till about 25 years ago the quality of zoom lenses was pretty bad. They shot with primes, not because they wanted to wax lyrical about the bokeh or because zoom lenses trampled on their artistic sensibilities or because primes were closer to the essence of photography, etc, but because the results with the alternatives did not pass muster. What do they shoot with NOW?
Different horses for different courses. I agree with you about the zooms. For a long while my preferred walkaround lens was the 100-400f4.5-5.6L IS. The Vietnamese are no different to anyone else, some don't like their photo being taken while others don't seem to mind................if you ask politely, but all go into ''pose'' mode, one way or the other, if they see a camera being pointed in their direction. I do too, we all do. A couple of weeks ago I walked into a crowded market with my 5DM3 + Samyang 14f2.8 + remote. Had the camera slung around my neck in silent shutter mode and the attached remote in my pocket. No one realized I was photographing them as I walked around which was the first thing people noticed when they looked through the shots I took. Like I said, different horses for different courses.
Not lugging either of those two around. I don't care if there's a bus load of naked super models just out of range.You don't get it if you think this thread is about my pride in the lens or the captured images. It is my response to a long-standing debate here generally between prime VS Zoom for travel and documentary and specifically between 135L VS. 70-200 F4 LISI get what you're trying to say. You're really proud of your 70-200 f4 lens and the shots you've taken. But I wish you also get what I'm trying to say. What's the need for dissing 135L users? Different strokes for different folks, as I said. You might prefer the range of your 70-200 but others might like to get close to people, talk to them, and in turn use a 50mm or 35mm or whatever to get close and interact with the people they shoot. Others might use tele, fisheye, whatever. Whatever floats your boat. And still, why the need to diss the 135L? Do you have a complex or something?I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.
Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.