135L shooters would have been in heaven...

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... as for me, I would not have traded a 70-200 L zoom for anything lest I wanted to miss opportunities. Moral of tue story: for travel and in places where you cannot place yourself at will, You will want a zoom.



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Great images - looks like you had a wonderful trip and I do agree but for some (like me) weight is just toooooo much.
 
And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.

Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
 
And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.

Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.
 
And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.

Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.
Don't want to interrupt your preparation to patronise anyone, but National Geographic photographers have been shooting 'tribal' peoples since a very long time before zoom lenses were invented, with some success. I also have some experience, and rather than finding them to be skittish, I found them incredibly cooperative, in the same way as the public in western cities were before phones, the internet and 'street' paparazzi ruined everything. The only people I found to be difficult were natives who were so accustomed to being photographed that they started to expect a fee.
 
Yes, Al, but that was because till about 25 years ago the quality of zoom lenses was pretty bad. They shot with primes, not because they wanted to wax lyrical about the bokeh or because zoom lenses trampled on their artistic sensibilities or because primes were closer to the essence of photography, etc, but because the results with the alternatives did not pass muster. What do they shoot with NOW?
 
I appreciate what you're trying to say, and it may be true that the zoom permitted you to frame those shots in a way that wouldn't have been possible with a prime given the circumstances. I still can't help but think that those same shots would have better colour saturation and subject isolation if they'd been shot with the 135L or 85L.

Pick your poison :)
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And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.

Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.
I get what you're trying to say. You're really proud of your 70-200 f4 lens and the shots you've taken. But I wish you also get what I'm trying to say. What's the need for dissing 135L users? Different strokes for different folks, as I said. You might prefer the range of your 70-200 but others might like to get close to people, talk to them, and in turn use a 50mm or 35mm or whatever to get close and interact with the people they shoot. Others might use tele, fisheye, whatever. Whatever floats your boat. And still, why the need to diss the 135L? Do you have a complex or something?
 
I appreciate what you're trying to say, and it may be true that the zoom permitted you to frame those shots in a way that wouldn't have been possible with a prime given the circumstances. I still can't help but think that those same shots would have better colour saturation and subject isolation if they'd been shot with the 135L or 85L.

Pick your poison :)
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Right. Isolation, yes. Saturation, I hare my doubts. The images you see here are JPEGs transferred via WiFi from the 6D to an Android tablet and resized and saved as Lowest quality JPEG in Pixlr. They are a far cry from what they would look like with proper RAW PP.
 
And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.

Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.
I get what you're trying to say. You're really proud of your 70-200 f4 lens and the shots you've taken. But I wish you also get what I'm trying to say. What's the need for dissing 135L users? Different strokes for different folks, as I said. You might prefer the range of your 70-200 but others might like to get close to people, talk to them, and in turn use a 50mm or 35mm or whatever to get close and interact with the people they shoot. Others might use tele, fisheye, whatever. Whatever floats your boat. And still, why the need to diss the 135L? Do you have a complex or something?
You don't get it if you think this thread is about my pride in the lens or the captured images. It is my response to a long-standing debate here generally between prime VS Zoom for travel and documentary and specifically between 135L VS. 70-200 F4 LIS
 
And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.

Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.
I get what you're trying to say. You're really proud of your 70-200 f4 lens and the shots you've taken. But I wish you also get what I'm trying to say. What's the need for dissing 135L users? Different strokes for different folks, as I said. You might prefer the range of your 70-200 but others might like to get close to people, talk to them, and in turn use a 50mm or 35mm or whatever to get close and interact with the people they shoot. Others might use tele, fisheye, whatever. Whatever floats your boat. And still, why the need to diss the 135L? Do you have a complex or something?
You don't get it if you think this thread is about my pride in the lens or the captured images. It is my response to a long-standing debate here generally between prime VS Zoom for travel and documentary and specifically between 135L VS. 70-200 F4 LIS
I recently sold my highly recognized and beloved 70-200 f/4L IS to buy the 135 f/2L.

After less than a month this is my experience:

Indoor: I get portrait that I never got with the 70-200. In term of colors, details, interrest, aesthetical result. For sure I say "portrait". for wider 70mm will be still too tight, for me, so I switch anyway to my 40mm.

Outdoor: Landscape, Event, street. I always adapted my shooting style to my equipment and my possibilities. I do not feel more limited than when I had my 70-200. What happen if you need 400 or 600mm? Are you crying because you do not have the good lens?

And in final, but not the least, YES the 135 is a better lens than the 70-200. I owned both and was able to shoot same subject under same circumstances. The 135mm is crispiest and more detailed than the 70-200 at any aperture.

Also, discuss only about flexibility with the focal it's oversight about, what is much more important for me, the flexibility of the aperture and the DOF. Here, the 135mm is a winner also.

Your shots are great and you have the proper tool for your style. Congrats. Please accept that is valid for you, and a lot of others people, but that do not means that is a general rules for eveybody.

Keep shooting and post us again your nice photos but please also remain positive and constructive ;-)

Cheers
 
Philippe, this is more basic than the technicalities of the lenSes. It is about getting the shot at all and in the first place. And please, dont preach about the 135L. I owned it and sold it long before you got yours. I know that lens.
 
Philippe, this is more basic than the technicalities of the lenSes. It is about getting the shot at all and in the first place. And please, dont preach about the 135L. I owned it and sold it long before you got yours. I know that lens.
Yes I'm preaching for the 135L as you are preaching for zoom. You had the 135L before me, I'm happy for you...

But could we just share on a fair and friendly way our experiences and photographic results instead to opposite the 2 points of view?

Your point is about "getting the shot at all and in the first place" and my point is to get the shot that we can get with the best pleasure and result according to our personal taste.

Is the above deserve that we argue about it? certainly not.

But compare our shots, discuss about the condition that we took them, share our experiences and learn things... On that I'm 100% open.

Cheers
 
I recently sold my highly recognized and beloved 70-200 f/4L IS to buy the 135 f/2L.

After less than a month this is my experience:

Indoor: I get portrait that I never got with the 70-200. In term of colors, details, interrest, aesthetical result. For sure I say "portrait". for wider 70mm will be still too tight, for me, so I switch anyway to my 40mm.

Outdoor: Landscape, Event, street. I always adapted my shooting style to my equipment and my possibilities. I do not feel more limited than when I had my 70-200. What happen if you need 400 or 600mm? Are you crying because you do not have the good lens?

And in final, but not the least, YES the 135 is a better lens than the 70-200. I owned both and was able to shoot same subject under same circumstances. The 135mm is crispiest and more detailed than the 70-200 at any aperture.

Also, discuss only about flexibility with the focal it's oversight about, what is much more important for me, the flexibility of the aperture and the DOF. Here, the 135mm is a winner also.

Your shots are great and you have the proper tool for your style. Congrats. Please accept that is valid for you, and a lot of others people, but that do not means that is a general rules for eveybody.

Keep shooting and post us again your nice photos but please also remain positive and constructive
+1 That's what it's all about.

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... as for me, I would not have traded a 70-200 L zoom for anything lest I wanted to miss opportunities. Moral of tue story: for travel and in places where you cannot place yourself at will, You will want a zoom.



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I agree: there's no universal "best lens". We need to pick the one which is the best suited for the job. For weddings and other events I used the 70-200 with the 17-40. I fed up with event photography, so I sold my zooms, not to be able to restart, even at tempting offers.

For natural environment portraits, when I can control my models, 3 primes (135, 85, 24) do the job. And by far the most used one is the lovely 135L.

I admire your pictures.
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Be modest and polite. Shoot 135@2.
 
Yes, Al, but that was because till about 25 years ago the quality of zoom lenses was pretty bad. They shot with primes, not because they wanted to wax lyrical about the bokeh or because zoom lenses trampled on their artistic sensibilities or because primes were closer to the essence of photography, etc, but because the results with the alternatives did not pass muster. What do they shoot with NOW?
Well, at least one of them is using the Nokia Lumia 1020...

This discussion is all but pointless. Sure, use whatever works for you, prime, zoom, lensbaby... In the end, it is the end result, the photo, that matters. Regardless of why or what was used to take it.

In this regard, I find your last photo of the series interesting, the others not so much. And this is because of the eye contact. Still, it was a pity the hands of the lady were cut off in the frame.

In the end, some are more comfortable with zooms, others with primes. Period. In the end, people like Salgado use primes to photograph "skittish" people in his Genesis project, because that is what he likes, and what suits his vision. Isn't using a telezoom a sign of "skittishness" on the photographers' part? Rather than his subjects being skittish?
 
I don't understand the aggressive discussion here. I owned the 135L for about 3 years and used it occasionally - well, too less to keep it and I sold it for a very good price last year. Do I miss it? Sometimes yes but then again, I had it for 3 years and took very few photos with it.

It's no question a fantastic lens and has some nice bokeh etc. but for me in the end the focal length was not very useful as a prime without IS. I get the same amount of blur and bokeh with my 85/1.4 and 85mm is more flexible to me. Ok, if I need more reach then 135 is handy.

Bottom line for me is that I am looking for a 70-200/4IS some time this year. I think it is more useful in general terms and has IS which helps a lot at the longer end. For the photos shown here in the thread I think either the 135 or the 70-200 would have done just fine. No need for more backgrond separation. These images have more than enough of it. It probably comes down to personal preference as so often.

The 135L has for me the only advantage if bg separation is on the edge. So if there is a situation where every small increment more separation counts. E.g. in a tight crowed, to separate one person. Here f2 vs f4 has some advantage. Another advantage is for high shutter speeds. Other than that I think the zoom if fine.
 
... as for me, I would not have traded a 70-200 L zoom for anything lest I wanted to miss opportunities. Moral of tue story: for travel and in places where you cannot place yourself at will, You will want a zoom.

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Different horses for different courses. I agree with you about the zooms. For a long while my preferred walkaround lens was the 100-400f4.5-5.6L IS. The Vietnamese are no different to anyone else, some don't like their photo being taken while others don't seem to mind................if you ask politely, but all go into ''pose'' mode, one way or the other, if they see a camera being pointed in their direction. I do too, we all do. A couple of weeks ago I walked into a crowded market with my 5DM3 + Samyang 14f2.8 + remote. Had the camera slung around my neck in silent shutter mode and the attached remote in my pocket. No one realized I was photographing them as I walked around which was the first thing people noticed when they looked through the shots I took. Like I said, different horses for different courses.
 
And some would argue a mid-range zoom is better, or a 35mm, or a standard 50mm, or a wide zoom, or a superzoom, or a compact camera, or a mirrorless.

Moral of the story: Different strokes for different folks. Dunno why the need to target 135L users.
I wonder whether you have any experience shooting around skittish "tribal" peoples.
I get what you're trying to say. You're really proud of your 70-200 f4 lens and the shots you've taken. But I wish you also get what I'm trying to say. What's the need for dissing 135L users? Different strokes for different folks, as I said. You might prefer the range of your 70-200 but others might like to get close to people, talk to them, and in turn use a 50mm or 35mm or whatever to get close and interact with the people they shoot. Others might use tele, fisheye, whatever. Whatever floats your boat. And still, why the need to diss the 135L? Do you have a complex or something?
You don't get it if you think this thread is about my pride in the lens or the captured images. It is my response to a long-standing debate here generally between prime VS Zoom for travel and documentary and specifically between 135L VS. 70-200 F4 LIS
Not lugging either of those two around. I don't care if there's a bus load of naked super models just out of range.
 

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