THe DOF is probably too narrow for a headshot, really, but just an example that this has real DOF control. Funny they listed that as a con when that's half the reason people buy large sensors and fast lenses.
I assumed the URL would be source enough, but neither picture was taken by me. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. The second is from Canon and the first a Dpreview sample.
The larger sensor's CoC reduces DOF considerably. Add in the already 1/3 larger aperture and the difference is very noticeable. You'd be talking almost 1/2 the DOF with the Canon.
Like I said, the second image, not a significant variance, but the first image, being 1.3-1.5EV different in equiv aperture will be noticeable...similar to the variation between an f/1.2 85mm vs an f/1.8 85 stopped down to f/2.
Here is one at 24mm. Not super sharp as kids don't like to stop, but the Bokeh is pretty decent for small sensor. I think the XZ-2, X20, and LX7 all can make nice portraits with bokeh. I think the canon probably will have overall nicer image quality but I don't know if the images are worth getting it. The Canon would meet some needs for me, but I am torn on it.Neither are my shots. One is a dpreview sample and the other a Canon sample. I am sorry if it was implied that they were mine, that was not my intent.The second shot looks like Canons Official test shot or is that your shot? Either way I think the Canon Lens is nice, but I have held off and I am glad I did.It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.
Easy to say. Let's see them. I certainly have not seen anything like that from a 1/1.7" sensor before.
My XZ-2 can take very similar to these kinds of shots with its 1.8-2.5 lens and its 1/1.7" sensor. All you have to do is know how to use a camera and you can do most anything with it. The picture below was taken with the G12 I just sold to upgrade to my XZ-2, which is even better in ever way.tkbslc said:Neither are my shots. One is a dpreview sample and the other a Canon sample. I am sorry if it was implied that they were mine, that was not my intent.phazelag said:The second shot looks like Canons Official test shot or is that your shot? Either way I think the Canon Lens is nice, but I have held off and I am glad I did.tkbslc said:It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.
Easy to say. Let's see them. I certainly have not seen anything like that from a 1/1.7" sensor before.Member said:
Thanks for the example. I don't think it quite at the level of the G1Xmk2, but that's respectable given the price/size ratio here.Here is one at 24mm. Not super sharp as kids don't like to stop, but the Bokeh is pretty decent for small sensor. I think the XZ-2, X20, and LX7 all can make nice portraits with bokeh. I think the canon probably will have overall nicer image quality but I don't know if the images are worth getting it. The Canon would meet some needs for me, but I am torn on it.
It's not the same comparison because you've ignored CoC. CoC will be identical in the test you gave above, but not when comparing a 2.7x crop sensor with a 1.9x crop sensor.
I was referring to the second image.
Obviously you have Mr. McGoo vision! Sharp macros are all over this forum!
And to add another point: the XZ-1/2 mentioned previously in this thread would have an equivalent aperture of about f/9.3 at 43mm equiv., slightly worse than the Sony and about 1 stop worse than the Canon. So even the small sensor XZ-1/2 can get a result that is pretty close.
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I'm afraid you are grossly overselling the CoC difference/effect in bokeh rendering in this example.
As wide to normal focal length portraits tend to look unflattering and AT LEAST 85 mm equivalent is widely regarded as most flattering for portraits, then the larger sensor size does have an increased advantage.
I mentioned (several times in these threads) that the G1X II has an advantage for certain types of portrait, but people use cameras for a lot more than just shooting portraits.
I'm not trying at all to prove they don't make a difference. But the sensor size is irrelevant if the lens doesn't measure up, THAT is what I and a few others are saying. There is no sense arguing about the hard facts, they are indisputable.
Yet you do it anyway. There are certain hard facts of optics you wish to dispute.
