More out of camera jpeg's from the A6000

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Hi - A nice sunny day so I snapped a few with the A6000. Nothing special, some around Scarborough and nearby villages. No pp just resized for web.


South Bay & Harbour Scarborough


Scarborough Harbour


Scarborough Harbour


Scarborough Harbour


Scarborough Harbour


Scarborough Harbour




Town Hall Scarborough








Scalby Church








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Burniston





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"- Heliopan Kaeseman CPL's are BY FAR THE BEST I've ever shot with. Love the rotating ring, multi-coating is by far the easiest to clean, and they are durable well beyond even the B+W Kaeseman IMO. Deeper polarizing effect too. Sharpest image, best/truest color, deeper polarizer, ease of cleaning, top-of-class construction & coatings. If you don't spend upwards of 10x for this filter, you can still do yourself a favor... Buy a small paint marker or use nail polish to carefully put some 'notches' on your rotating ring... To identify positions you are most often to use (like strongest effect). I find it very helpful. YMMV."

Heliopan stopped making Kaeseman polarizers years ago. They currently make their standard Cir and Lin pols either with or without their SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mount and their new High Transmission Cir and Lin pols in SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mounts. These filters only lose 1 stop of light rather then up to 1 ⅔ rds stop of light.

Currently there may be a new Kaeseman or two still available in some sizes but they would be extremely limited quantities and choice of size. It is also important to note that Heliopan never offered their SH-PMC coating with their Kaeseman filters.
 
Would you recommend a good polarizer for the a6000 kit lens?
Yes, well... I use CPL's quite a lot. Have had many different brands at various sizes (of threads). So, I have first-hand experience with some. Surprisingly, the "expensive" ones, I don't always find a good value proposition- not worth it. Depends, the answer can be quite complicated.

Do you shoot a lot of lower-light nighttime? Where you want to minimize things like window reflections for street scenes or social (interior) scenes to cut reflections off framed artwork? Then you'd probably want the pricier multi-coated varieities (like SMC or HMC or nano-coated). If you shoot to cut down glare off water for long exposures or scenic, this isn't as big a deal USUALLY... Unless you like shooting into the sun for the star-pointed sun flare. Even then, it may/may not make as large a difference as it does for indoors/low-light (where flares can be UGLY and massive).

Do you get the "slim" filter? Well, I say "no." They can 'thread lock' more easily and be tougher to remove. I try to future-proof my filter purchases by buying larger and using cheap step-up rings. A slim profile 'hardly' cuts down on vignetting anyways. Your kit lens is an unusual 40.5mm thread too. Maybe 52mm is the a size I'd humbly suggest considering? Depends what else you own. Then there's NO WAY your filter vignettes at the widest 16mm on your lens. YMMV.

- Tiffen is quite good for cheap- just simple single-coated.

- Vivitar is cheap (single-coated), and seems (to my eyes) to offer the truest color cast. Nothing wrong with saving money for better glass or tripod or other... Very good value IMO, until it isn't.

- General Brand (from B&H) are decent, but maybe don't offer as strong of a polarizing effect as the two above IMHO. But hey, cheap is what you get and what you pay for.

- Cheap Hoya's seem to veer to tiny yellow-cast, so I wouldn't buy a single-coat. I'd go for one of the two above if available.

- Haven't used the Formatt CPL's with or without their Schott glass.

- B+W are high-quality construction, sometimes find a single-coated on eBay for good pricing. The upcharge for B+W Kaeseman CPL's is something I've spent lot$$ more on. Only worth it if you use them a lot, and need ease of cleaning... With a lens cloth from condensation (like fog/marine layer/dust particles/etc.). Urban explorers or beach shooters might go for the Kaeseman if you can afford it.

- Heliopan Kaeseman CPL's are BY FAR THE BEST I've ever shot with. Love the rotating ring, multi-coating is by far the easiest to clean, and they are durable well beyond even the B+W Kaeseman IMO. Deeper polarizing effect too. Sharpest image, best/truest color, deeper polarizer, ease of cleaning, top-of-class construction & coatings. If you don't spend upwards of 10x for this filter, you can still do yourself a favor... Buy a small paint marker or use nail polish to carefully put some 'notches' on your rotating ring... To identify positions you are most often to use (like strongest effect). I find it very helpful. YMMV.

- Hoya HMC or Digital Pro-1 or whatever multi-coated. I've had several and all seem like "decent" performers, but their multi-coating just seems to 'smear' anything around when wiping with a clean lens cloth. Drives me crazy EVERY TIME. Not just finger oil (seems very tough to remove when in the field shooting). I mean anything. Moisture droplets, dust, whatever. I started buying the pre-moistened Zeiss disposable lens cloths just to clean the dang Hoya HMC CPL's, so I could factor that cost in, if I wanted to be real.

Notice I described the $35-50 Hoya HMC (depends a lot on thread size) as "decent," which I also used to describe the General Brand and others? Yeah, same performance class in my opinion. So, you don't always get more just by paying more. I would tend to go cheap: Viv or Tiff or GB in that order. Or jump up four classes to the Heliopan Kaeseman and get the best for the most. I'm sure there are others, I just haven't shot w/ them.

I realize I might be alone in using a CPL in a nighttime street shot like this, but did it to cut down glare from the wall and surface street. Even at 1/4 sec ISO 3200, f/7.1.
I realize I might be alone in using a CPL in a nighttime street shot like this, but did it to cut down glare from the wall and surface street. Even at 1/4 sec ISO 3200, f/7.1.

It's not always about cutting as much reflection as possible. Here I cut down just a bit of the 'visual chatter' from the window reflections. I think it helped me get exactly the right image I had envisioned.
It's not always about cutting as much reflection as possible. Here I cut down just a bit of the 'visual chatter' from the window reflections. I think it helped me get exactly the right image I had envisioned.

Ruh-Roh!!! I shot this to test my new Sony set-up. The harsh flares created from a single-coated Tiffen CPL (I'm guessing reflected onto the lens elements?) means I'd cull an image like this. And not shoot into an environment like this again.
Ruh-Roh!!! I shot this to test my new Sony set-up. The harsh flares created from a single-coated Tiffen CPL (I'm guessing reflected onto the lens elements?) means I'd cull an image like this. And not shoot into an environment like this again.

The three images above shot with a cheap, single-coated Tiffen CPL. Absurdly cheap (but good!) Sony a3000 + kit 18-55 OSS lens.

B+W Kaeseman, a good CPL is a must for the dramatic clouds and reduced glare here.
B+W Kaeseman, a good CPL is a must for the dramatic clouds and reduced glare here.

B+W Kaeseman on Nikon 135mm DC f/2 lens. Maybe most won't use a CPL for long nighttime exposures, I still prefer to. The extra 1.3-1.5 stops is factored in. Crispness in the lighting and shading remains better to my eyes. Key here is to have 'notches' or visual references on the CPL ring, since it's so dark you can't tell the effect TTL.
B+W Kaeseman on Nikon 135mm DC f/2 lens. Maybe most won't use a CPL for long nighttime exposures, I still prefer to. The extra 1.3-1.5 stops is factored in. Crispness in the lighting and shading remains better to my eyes. Key here is to have 'notches' or visual references on the CPL ring, since it's so dark you can't tell the effect TTL.

Heliopan Kaeseman CPL + Nikkor 85mm PC (tilt-shift) lens for tidepooling. I find beautiful depth of color without any unwanted glare from the water's surface.
Heliopan Kaeseman CPL + Nikkor 85mm PC (tilt-shift) lens for tidepooling. I find beautiful depth of color without any unwanted glare from the water's surface.

I know most won't pay the premium for the slight difference in the Heliopan Kaeseman, I get it. But those with the cheddar that want to, I think will appreciate it and never regret it. Especially for more premium glass like Zeiss or Voigtlander or very special legacy lenses.

Just my (sorry, very long-winded) opinions here. I'd suggest a cheap Vivitar or Tiffen CPL of a more universal size + step-up ring. Or *maybe* General Brand. Then make sure you buy a spare center-pinch lens cap for that size too. It's great to save the money for other things like a solid tripod/head or speedlite or glass if you're just starting out. Until it isn't, if you notice poor performance from your cheap CPL in YOUR shooting conditions... Then it becomes time to spend bigger on a better one- like a Heliopan. I use CPL's a lot for sharpness of light in San Francisco- the marine layer cuts contrast and such otherwise. Glare on building facades and car bumpers, street surfaces, water, windows, etc- it's all over the place.

So, yeah. YMMV. I feel it's worth investing in at least one CPL. 40.5mm to 52mm step-up ring, 52mm lens cap, 52mm CPL is a great start. If you ever get a fast 85/1.4 or something, then a second 77mm set can be warranted. Should cover just about every lens- except those dang 82mm's. I spent almost $400 on filters for 82mm! Yikes.

I don't have experience with the newer HT (high-transmission) CPL's. Never used them.

BTW, I'm gonna stop visiting and taking all this time to reply to posts and participate in this forum. I post a thread and got one response (thanks Joachim!). lol. I was hoping for more participation in my threads too. I'm happy to share from my limited experience and such, if there is an active community who will also do likewise. Otherwise I'm just here to continually furnish advice? Hoped for a more active community. I know it's far easier for one to ask than it is to get responses... I've tried for two weeks...

Be well. Keep shooting. Cheers.

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- david
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ambientimages/


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Heliopan stopped making Kaeseman polarizers years ago. They currently make their standard Cir and Lin pols either with or without their SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mount and their new High Transmission Cir and Lin pols in SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mounts. These filters only lose 1 stop of light rather then up to 1 ⅔ rds stop of light.
Currently there may be a new Kaeseman or two still available in some sizes but they would be extremely limited quantities and choice of size. It is also important to note that Heliopan never offered their SH-PMC coating with their Kaeseman filters.
Great info, thanks... I had no idea. Still, some might come available on that big auction website... If the Heliopan Kaeseman's didn't have their SH-PMC, I don't know what they had... But the coating was very good IMHO.

I respect others may have different opinions or experiences. I just tried to detail some of my own. This way people have more info/reference to judge for oneself. I've heard so many good things about Marumi CPL's. And there's a gazillion cheap off-brands. And mid-priced brands like Sigma or Bower too. I've always assumed Polaroid just 'badges' (re-brands) some other mfr's CPL's, so I wouldn't consider buying theirs. But I don't have any evidence of this.

I just love how CPL's can immediately improve any type of lens in various shooting conditions- from a kit lens to a $1500 lens. I appreciate you helping me to learn more about Heliopan's, thanks Bob.

Cheers.
 
Heliopan stopped making Kaeseman polarizers years ago. They currently make their standard Cir and Lin pols either with or without their SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mount and their new High Transmission Cir and Lin pols in SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mounts. These filters only lose 1 stop of light rather then up to 1 ⅔ rds stop of light.

Currently there may be a new Kaeseman or two still available in some sizes but they would be extremely limited quantities and choice of size. It is also important to note that Heliopan never offered their SH-PMC coating with their Kaeseman filters.
Great info, thanks... I had no idea. Still, some might come available on that big auction website... If the Heliopan Kaeseman's didn't have their SH-PMC, I don't know what they had... But the coating was very good IMHO.

I respect others may have different opinions or experiences. I just tried to detail some of my own. This way people have more info/reference to judge for oneself. I've heard so many good things about Marumi CPL's. And there's a gazillion cheap off-brands. And mid-priced brands like Sigma or Bower too. I've always assumed Polaroid just 'badges' (re-brands) some other mfr's CPL's, so I wouldn't consider buying theirs. But I don't have any evidence of this.

I just love how CPL's can immediately improve any type of lens in various shooting conditions- from a kit lens to a $1500 lens. I appreciate you helping me to learn more about Heliopan's, thanks Bob.

Cheers.
 
Hey Dez,

You shooting on the Sony system now? a6000? I don't know if you'd remember me from years ago on the Nikon forums? Former D300 shooter myself. I did some in-depth reviews of the Nikon 85/1.4 vs. 85/1.8, the Bokina 90/2.5 macro, 135 DC f/2 de-focus control, Sigma 100-300/4, D-lighting feature, etc there... Lots has changed over the past few years on my end, I just started on the Sony system w/ an a3000. Hope things are well with you. Gosh I still miss NYC, haven't been 'back' in years. *sigh*

(Sorry to all, I don't mean to hijack this thread). Cheers.
Yes David. I remember you. How you been?

I've been shooting Sony NEX for a couple of years now alongside my Nikon SLR. I've owned the 3N, 5N, NEX-6 and NEX-7. I no longer have these but still have my E-mount lenses and waiting for my a6000 ;)

Things are well, staying busy and moved to Nikon full frame

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Heliopan stopped making Kaeseman polarizers years ago. They currently make their standard Cir and Lin pols either with or without their SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mount and their new High Transmission Cir and Lin pols in SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mounts. These filters only lose 1 stop of light rather then up to 1 ⅔ rds stop of light.

Currently there may be a new Kaeseman or two still available in some sizes but they would be extremely limited quantities and choice of size. It is also important to note that Heliopan never offered their SH-PMC coating with their Kaeseman filters.
Great info, thanks... I had no idea. Still, some might come available on that big auction website... If the Heliopan Kaeseman's didn't have their SH-PMC, I don't know what they had... But the coating was very good IMHO.

I respect others may have different opinions or experiences. I just tried to detail some of my own. This way people have more info/reference to judge for oneself. I've heard so many good things about Marumi CPL's. And there's a gazillion cheap off-brands. And mid-priced brands like Sigma or Bower too. I've always assumed Polaroid just 'badges' (re-brands) some other mfr's CPL's, so I wouldn't consider buying theirs. But I don't have any evidence of this.

I just love how CPL's can immediately improve any type of lens in various shooting conditions- from a kit lens to a $1500 lens. I appreciate you helping me to learn more about Heliopan's, thanks Bob.

Cheers.
Actually the Heliopan Kaeseman polarizers were uncoated. Since the foil(s) had to be sealed between the glasses and the glasses were edge sealed the foils could not take the heat that was used in the coating process
Sorry, Bob, but that simply isn't true.

Coating is done on square glass sheets before they are cut round, let alone laminated with the "foils".
then and would not have remained optically flat,
It's a cold process, far below the strain point of the glass, and cannot affect flatness.
So they were not coated.
And yet your competition at B+W manages to make coated Kaesemann polarizers.

 
Would you recommend a good polarizer for the a6000 kit lens?
Yes, well... I use CPL's quite a lot. Have had many different brands at various sizes (of threads). So, I have first-hand experience with some. Surprisingly, the "expensive" ones, I don't always find a good value proposition- not worth it. Depends, the answer can be quite complicated.

Do you shoot a lot of lower-light nighttime? Where you want to minimize things like window reflections for street scenes or social (interior) scenes to cut reflections off framed artwork? Then you'd probably want the pricier multi-coated varieities (like SMC or HMC or nano-coated). If you shoot to cut down glare off water for long exposures or scenic, this isn't as big a deal USUALLY... Unless you like shooting into the sun for the star-pointed sun flare. Even then, it may/may not make as large a difference as it does for indoors/low-light (where flares can be UGLY and massive).

Do you get the "slim" filter? Well, I say "no." They can 'thread lock' more easily and be tougher to remove. I try to future-proof my filter purchases by buying larger and using cheap step-up rings. A slim profile 'hardly' cuts down on vignetting anyways. Your kit lens is an unusual 40.5mm thread too. Maybe 52mm is the a size I'd humbly suggest considering? Depends what else you own. Then there's NO WAY your filter vignettes at the widest 16mm on your lens. YMMV.

- Tiffen is quite good for cheap- just simple single-coated.

- Vivitar is cheap (single-coated), and seems (to my eyes) to offer the truest color cast. Nothing wrong with saving money for better glass or tripod or other... Very good value IMO, until it isn't.

- General Brand (from B&H) are decent, but maybe don't offer as strong of a polarizing effect as the two above IMHO. But hey, cheap is what you get and what you pay for.

- Cheap Hoya's seem to veer to tiny yellow-cast, so I wouldn't buy a single-coat. I'd go for one of the two above if available.

- Haven't used the Formatt CPL's with or without their Schott glass.

- B+W are high-quality construction, sometimes find a single-coated on eBay for good pricing. The upcharge for B+W Kaeseman CPL's is something I've spent lot$$ more on. Only worth it if you use them a lot, and need ease of cleaning... With a lens cloth from condensation (like fog/marine layer/dust particles/etc.). Urban explorers or beach shooters might go for the Kaeseman if you can afford it.

- Heliopan Kaeseman CPL's are BY FAR THE BEST I've ever shot with. Love the rotating ring, multi-coating is by far the easiest to clean, and they are durable well beyond even the B+W Kaeseman IMO. Deeper polarizing effect too. Sharpest image, best/truest color, deeper polarizer, ease of cleaning, top-of-class construction & coatings. If you don't spend upwards of 10x for this filter, you can still do yourself a favor... Buy a small paint marker or use nail polish to carefully put some 'notches' on your rotating ring... To identify positions you are most often to use (like strongest effect). I find it very helpful. YMMV.

- Hoya HMC or Digital Pro-1 or whatever multi-coated. I've had several and all seem like "decent" performers, but their multi-coating just seems to 'smear' anything around when wiping with a clean lens cloth. Drives me crazy EVERY TIME. Not just finger oil (seems very tough to remove when in the field shooting). I mean anything. Moisture droplets, dust, whatever. I started buying the pre-moistened Zeiss disposable lens cloths just to clean the dang Hoya HMC CPL's, so I could factor that cost in, if I wanted to be real.

Notice I described the $35-50 Hoya HMC (depends a lot on thread size) as "decent," which I also used to describe the General Brand and others? Yeah, same performance class in my opinion. So, you don't always get more just by paying more. I would tend to go cheap: Viv or Tiff or GB in that order. Or jump up four classes to the Heliopan Kaeseman and get the best for the most. I'm sure there are others, I just haven't shot w/ them.

I realize I might be alone in using a CPL in a nighttime street shot like this, but did it to cut down glare from the wall and surface street. Even at 1/4 sec ISO 3200, f/7.1.
I realize I might be alone in using a CPL in a nighttime street shot like this, but did it to cut down glare from the wall and surface street. Even at 1/4 sec ISO 3200, f/7.1.

It's not always about cutting as much reflection as possible. Here I cut down just a bit of the 'visual chatter' from the window reflections. I think it helped me get exactly the right image I had envisioned.
It's not always about cutting as much reflection as possible. Here I cut down just a bit of the 'visual chatter' from the window reflections. I think it helped me get exactly the right image I had envisioned.

Ruh-Roh!!! I shot this to test my new Sony set-up. The harsh flares created from a single-coated Tiffen CPL (I'm guessing reflected onto the lens elements?) means I'd cull an image like this. And not shoot into an environment like this again.
Ruh-Roh!!! I shot this to test my new Sony set-up. The harsh flares created from a single-coated Tiffen CPL (I'm guessing reflected onto the lens elements?) means I'd cull an image like this. And not shoot into an environment like this again.

The three images above shot with a cheap, single-coated Tiffen CPL. Absurdly cheap (but good!) Sony a3000 + kit 18-55 OSS lens.

B+W Kaeseman, a good CPL is a must for the dramatic clouds and reduced glare here.
B+W Kaeseman, a good CPL is a must for the dramatic clouds and reduced glare here.

B+W Kaeseman on Nikon 135mm DC f/2 lens. Maybe most won't use a CPL for long nighttime exposures, I still prefer to. The extra 1.3-1.5 stops is factored in. Crispness in the lighting and shading remains better to my eyes. Key here is to have 'notches' or visual references on the CPL ring, since it's so dark you can't tell the effect TTL.
B+W Kaeseman on Nikon 135mm DC f/2 lens. Maybe most won't use a CPL for long nighttime exposures, I still prefer to. The extra 1.3-1.5 stops is factored in. Crispness in the lighting and shading remains better to my eyes. Key here is to have 'notches' or visual references on the CPL ring, since it's so dark you can't tell the effect TTL.

Heliopan Kaeseman CPL + Nikkor 85mm PC (tilt-shift) lens for tidepooling. I find beautiful depth of color without any unwanted glare from the water's surface.
Heliopan Kaeseman CPL + Nikkor 85mm PC (tilt-shift) lens for tidepooling. I find beautiful depth of color without any unwanted glare from the water's surface.

I know most won't pay the premium for the slight difference in the Heliopan Kaeseman, I get it. But those with the cheddar that want to, I think will appreciate it and never regret it. Especially for more premium glass like Zeiss or Voigtlander or very special legacy lenses.

Just my (sorry, very long-winded) opinions here. I'd suggest a cheap Vivitar or Tiffen CPL of a more universal size + step-up ring. Or *maybe* General Brand. Then make sure you buy a spare center-pinch lens cap for that size too. It's great to save the money for other things like a solid tripod/head or speedlite or glass if you're just starting out. Until it isn't, if you notice poor performance from your cheap CPL in YOUR shooting conditions... Then it becomes time to spend bigger on a better one- like a Heliopan. I use CPL's a lot for sharpness of light in San Francisco- the marine layer cuts contrast and such otherwise. Glare on building facades and car bumpers, street surfaces, water, windows, etc- it's all over the place.

So, yeah. YMMV. I feel it's worth investing in at least one CPL. 40.5mm to 52mm step-up ring, 52mm lens cap, 52mm CPL is a great start. If you ever get a fast 85/1.4 or something, then a second 77mm set can be warranted. Should cover just about every lens- except those dang 82mm's. I spent almost $400 on filters for 82mm! Yikes.

I don't have experience with the newer HT (high-transmission) CPL's. Never used them.

BTW, I'm gonna stop visiting and taking all this time to reply to posts and participate in this forum. I post a thread and got one response (thanks Joachim!). lol. I was hoping for more participation in my threads too. I'm happy to share from my limited experience and such, if there is an active community who will also do likewise. Otherwise I'm just here to continually furnish advice? Hoped for a more active community. I know it's far easier for one to ask than it is to get responses... I've tried for two weeks...

Be well. Keep shooting. Cheers.

--
- david
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ambientimages/
Sorry to also quote the pics, apparently it is yet another function Dpreview has botched up or made more difficult than need be.

I appreciated your thoughts and see that you're discouraged. This forum really isn't too great. I'd suggest you maybe try Fredmiranda, Getdpi and Luminous Landscape, to get away from the "Walmart" of forums and into someplace a bit more engaging. You can also avoid the horrible forum software here that makes this place rather unpleasant.
 
+1 the butterfly pic makes me excited for mine arriving next week
 
prodesma wrote:
BTW, I'm gonna stop visiting and taking all this time to reply to posts and participate in this forum. I post a thread and got one response (thanks Joachim!). lol. I was hoping for more participation in my threads too. I'm happy to share from my limited experience and such, if there is an active community who will also do likewise. Otherwise I'm just here to continually furnish advice? Hoped for a more active community. I know it's far easier for one to ask than it is to get responses... I've tried for two weeks...
I greatly appreciated the detailed comments on CPLs, as that is an area I want to start experimenting with. I hope you hang around and keep posting interesting stuff.
 
I greatly appreciated the detailed comments on CPLs, as that is an area I want to start experimenting with. I hope you hang around and keep posting interesting stuff.
Well, thanks for the kind words Kevin. But no. I left the Nikon forums (when I shot on Nikon) for this same reason. I don't know everything about photography. But I try to share, to contribute to the community. To help offer as much as I learn from others.

But I see the same old thing. "Which lens should I buy?" gets dozens of responses. "I'm returning x camera" gets a hundred replies. But I spend a lot of time writing some camera review and ask for a bit of help, what settings do people use, and here's what I've learned about the Sony a3000 in my initial tests... Or I ask for C&C and get... Well. Crickets.

Lens isn't sharp in the corners. AF doesn't track perfectly. High ISO still has noise. Is the a6000 an upgrade to an N6 or N7. blah, blah, blah. And this forum is predominantly a7/R/S and a6000 anyhow.

No thanks. People will treat this forum as they wish. I get it. I wish it were different. I guess maybe I am an outlier in my ways.

Cheers.
 
"- Heliopan Kaeseman CPL's are BY FAR THE BEST I've ever shot with. Love the rotating ring, multi-coating is by far the easiest to clean, and they are durable well beyond even the B+W Kaeseman IMO. Deeper polarizing effect too. Sharpest image, best/truest color, deeper polarizer, ease of cleaning, top-of-class construction & coatings. If you don't spend upwards of 10x for this filter, you can still do yourself a favor... Buy a small paint marker or use nail polish to carefully put some 'notches' on your rotating ring... To identify positions you are most often to use (like strongest effect). I find it very helpful. YMMV."

Heliopan stopped making Kaeseman polarizers years ago. They currently make their standard Cir and Lin pols either with or without their SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mount and their new High Transmission Cir and Lin pols in SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mounts. These filters only lose 1 stop of light rather then up to 1 ⅔ rds stop of light.

Currently there may be a new Kaeseman or two still available in some sizes but they would be extremely limited quantities and choice of size. It is also important to note that Heliopan never offered their SH-PMC coating with their Kaeseman filters.
What does "Kaeseman" mean? I see that B&W makes this, as well as regular CPLs, so have to wonder what is the difference.

I am interested in this, since B&W, Heliopan, and Rodenstock have all been highly recommended for CPLs. I only have one right now, a Hoya, and plan to purchase a couple more for other lenses, so am attempting to determine which would be the best.

Thank you.

Susan
 
Heliopan stopped making Kaeseman polarizers years ago. It is also important to note that Heliopan never offered their SH-PMC coating with their Kaeseman filters.
Yes Bob, my apologies. I've thought on this, and now recall the Heliopan was an SH-PMC and not a Kaeseman. I didn't intend to mislead anybody, my "memory" was having the Kaeseman in both Heliopan and B+W. That was not true. Sorry for this confusion I caused. That SH-PMC coating is the best IMHO.
What does "Kaeseman" mean? I see that B&W makes this, as well as regular CPLs, so have to wonder what is the difference.
I am interested in this, since B&W, Heliopan, and Rodenstock have all been highly recommended for CPLs. I only have one right now, a Hoya, and plan to purchase a couple more for other lenses, so am attempting to determine which would be the best.
Kaeseman means "encased," the edges of the glass are completely enclosed, won't allow dirt, sand, oil, water, or grime to ever get under the film. Can make for long term durability, as an investment. Especially if one shoots a lot under tough conditions like fog/moisture/humditiy. Or places with sand or lots of particulates (like urban exploration). For most, Kaeseman's simply are cost-prohibitive, and the value proposition isn't worthwhile.

Many here know much more about the technical aspects of CPL's, I'll defer to their knowledge.

You can search around for more info on Kaesemans, I'm sure. In fact an article I just read said the same dang thing about Hoyas as I've experienced (and caused lots of grief)... About smearing/smudging. Guess I'm not alone: "I have also found the high end Hoya filters to be good (but those I have had were a pain to clean – they tended to smear)." Do you find the Hoya tough to clean from smudges too? Also explains Kaesemans.


Sorry for the confusion I might've caused to Bob or others about the Heliopan, it's the SH-PMC I just loved using. I wanted to correct myself, with Bob's help at pointing this out.

Cheers.
 
"- Heliopan Kaeseman CPL's are BY FAR THE BEST I've ever shot with. Love the rotating ring, multi-coating is by far the easiest to clean, and they are durable well beyond even the B+W Kaeseman IMO. Deeper polarizing effect too. Sharpest image, best/truest color, deeper polarizer, ease of cleaning, top-of-class construction & coatings. If you don't spend upwards of 10x for this filter, you can still do yourself a favor... Buy a small paint marker or use nail polish to carefully put some 'notches' on your rotating ring... To identify positions you are most often to use (like strongest effect). I find it very helpful. YMMV."

Heliopan stopped making Kaeseman polarizers years ago. They currently make their standard Cir and Lin pols either with or without their SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mount and their new High Transmission Cir and Lin pols in SH-PMC coating in either standard or slim mounts. These filters only lose 1 stop of light rather then up to 1 ⅔ rds stop of light.

Currently there may be a new Kaeseman or two still available in some sizes but they would be extremely limited quantities and choice of size. It is also important to note that Heliopan never offered their SH-PMC coating with their Kaeseman filters.
What does "Kaeseman" mean? I see that B&W makes this, as well as regular CPLs, so have to wonder what is the difference.

I am interested in this, since B&W, Heliopan, and Rodenstock have all been highly recommended for CPLs. I only have one right now, a Hoya, and plan to purchase a couple more for other lenses, so am attempting to determine which would be the best.

Thank you.

Susan
 
Over the years, I've used the MC B+W, Heliopan (incl. Kaaseman) and Hoya circular polarizers. The best of the bunch is the Hoya HD and HD2 filters, which are extremely easy to clean, but rarely need cleaning due to something in the coating. They also pass more light than the others and are very color neutral. Not cheap, but worth the price IMO. The other Hoya filters I wouldn't bother with.
 
Kaeseman means "encased," the edges of the glass are completely enclosed, won't allow dirt, sand, oil, water, or grime to ever get under the film. Can make for long term durability, as an investment. Especially if one shoots a lot under tough conditions like fog/moisture/humditiy. Or places with sand or lots of particulates (like urban exploration). For most, Kaeseman's simply are cost-prohibitive, and the value proposition isn't worthwhile.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Circular-Polarizer-Filters.aspx
David - Thanks for the explanation and the link. I read the article and it made things very clear!

Susan
 
There used to be a Dr. Kaesmann in Germany and he developed a method of making a polarizer by stretching the foil very tight and then edge sealing it in glass. This made the polarizer what the Germans called "Tropicalized" as the foil was then immune to fungus and moisture damage which was not unusual back in that time.

The filters made by Dr. Kaesmann were marketed by several companies including Heliopan, B+W, Rollei, etc.

As is the nature of things, the owners/founders of B+W (Berman and Weber) eventually died and the B+W company was then run by trustees as the families were not interested in the filter business. Then a man named Heinrich Mandermann had been buying up distressed companies or motivated seller companies in the photo industry in Germany. Among the companies he bought were Schneider while they were in bankruptcy, Rollei and B+W. He then moved B+W from Weisbaden to the Schneider facility in Bad Kreuznach.

During this time Dr. Kaesmann also died and Mandermann also purchased the Kaesmann company and folded that into the B+W works. When this occured Heliopan discontinued their Kaesmann filters as the "Tropicalized" feature was no longer a big deal and the adhesives used in lamenating the modern Heliopan polarizers were not bothered by fungus and humidity.

Heliopan did offer Kaesmann technology in circular and linear standard polarizers as well as in wide angle circular and linear polarizers. They also used them in their bayonet mounted Hasselblad and Rollei mount filters.

One of the major drawbacks to the Kaesmann polarizers was the thickness. Due to the edge sealing the glss sandwich was much thicker then current Heliopan polarizers and this created vignetting problems with the very wide lenses that are so common today. And, as I mentioned earlier, the foil could not stand the heat in the Heliopan coating process which is done to the cut, circular filter and not to sheets of glass. B+W and Hoya also coat individual round filters.

So now you know all about Kaesmann filters.
Yes, more than I ever thought I would know! It is interesting to hear these histories, though.

Thanks.

Susan
 
Over the years, I've used the MC B+W, Heliopan (incl. Kaaseman) and Hoya circular polarizers. The best of the bunch is the Hoya HD and HD2 filters, which are extremely easy to clean, but rarely need cleaning due to something in the coating. They also pass more light than the others and are very color neutral. Not cheap, but worth the price IMO. The other Hoya filters I wouldn't bother with.
It is a Nano coating which repels dust, moisture and oils. Heliopan has been using that technology on their SH-PMC coated filters, B+W does with some of their filters and Rodenstock does with their HR Digital Super MC filters.
 

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