An appeal to Fuji : please fix the video on the X series

DJF77 said:

Maximus176 said:

Not for me, not interested in video.--
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Ridiculous thing to say... You are not fussed about video so we may as well have crap video capability?

Im not big into video, but I would sure appreciate it if Fuji upped there game on video - even if just to have nicer family clips.

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I don't think he was ridiculous. I think he means that for many we would rather see Fuji fixing other issues before they worry about video. I agree, I could care less about video, I have a video camera for that. It sits in my closet with dead batteries from lack of use. I would much rather see Fuji spend their energy giving us a proper converter software for the PC so we don't have to spend over a hundred dollars on photoninja. I would rather see them update the X-E1 and let us name our cam configs. I would rather them allow us to save the entire state of the camera as a config (like exposure preview in manual mode) instead of being limited to the config menu list.

Sowe are saying to Fuki "NO, there are other more important things many of us would rather have, we bought the camera to take photos with, not videos. We bought it going in knowing it didn't do video well and yet we bought it anyway". In fact, everyone who bought it knew it didn't do video well yet still bought it,yet you now say how important it is? It's no more important now to many of us than it was when we bought it. Which makes me ask, how come you bought it in the first place is video is so important to you?

DJF77 said:

Maximus176 said:

Not for me, not interested in video.--
http://www.thebigpicturegallery.com/blog

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Ridiculous thing to say... You are not fussed about video so we may as well have crap video capability?

Im not big into video, but I would sure appreciate it if Fuji upped there game on video - even if just to have nicer family clips.

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Ridiculous thing to say. Maximus said nothing about you having crap video capability. I'm sure he'd be delighted to have you buy a video camera. On the other hand, you're going to hold your breath till your face turns purple if you don't get what you want and those, the majority, who don't want it will have to help pay for it.

There are a lot of video cameras out there. Buy one.

DJF77 said:

Maximus176 said:

Not for me, not interested in video.--
http://www.thebigpicturegallery.com/blog

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Ridiculous thing to say... You are not fussed about video so we may as well have crap video capability?

Im not big into video, but I would sure appreciate it if Fuji upped there game on video - even if just to have nicer family clips.

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I take pictures, I don't shoot video, so I care not one iota about the video function. If I want to shoot a video clip I use my phone. It makes me smile when you see the rigs people have to use on DSLRS rather defeats the object about being light and easy to use. The video thing is not on my wish list, nor will I ever think of buying a camera for its video capability.

Personally I've never used the video feature on my X-T1 and think I tried it a few times on my X100s. So for me, video on my still camera is a check the box item.

However, I do wonder what it would take for Fuji to implement decent video processing and use decent video/audio codecs? I'm guessing it is more than just firmware enhancement and that it might take considerable improvement in their processors.

As for the Canon 5D2 (which I love, except for its AF), it took quite a bit of work to give it the video capability it started with and as we found out from Magic Lantern, earlier Canon processors had the beginnings of what it would take to make it usable.

If I was a working pro with customers want video as well as stills, then I could see this being a concern. The Panasonic GH3 and GH4 look really good for such an application.

I imagine that Fuji will eventually want cameras that compete with m43. By then, I wonder what lens would be available for cinematography applications on Fuji-X.

I honestly do not get it at all.. I rarely use video, but I would still love my Fuji to have excellent video capability. If you dont use it then why would you not want others who would use it to enjoy the benefit?

As for this buy a video camera if you want video nonscense; who in there right mind would want to take a camera and a video camera out on a day out? 99% of people would welcome a camera that can do both (except a few technophobes on here)

Fuji already has the Photography side down to a tee. Improving video would be no hardship, Sony and Panasonic can do it > there is no real reason Fuji can't put a little more effort into it, I highly doubt it would hinder any advances on the photography side (unless you wish to tell me what and how?). Oh, and if you don't want the video mode.... Don't use it.

Aethon said:

I am staggered by the number of people in this thread who a) imagine that Fujifilm has only one product development elf and if he's busy on video then there can't possibly be anyone available to work on the stills side of things, and b) that video is some dark art that only the broadcasting Illuminati can master.

These views are more than tad silly and in fact, work against the viability of the X-System. As Sal Baker points out above, there are simple things that Fujifilm can do to improve the current video capabilities, without occupying the lone product development elf for more than one lunchtime. And for more advanced video capabilities, the technology and algorithms are common knowledge.

in the medium-term, video is absolutely essential to a viable modern camera system. If that isn't immediately obvious to you then you seriously need to take a walk around outside and meet some humans. Fortunately, we know from interviews with Fujifilm exec's, that they already know that video is very important. There's no need for it to effect improvements in still photography. In fact, as said already, if they don't sort the X-series video out, the cameras will essentially be artificially handicapped in the marketplace.

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That sums it up perfectly - I have no idea why anyone owning a Fuji camera would be against improved video capability; it's very short sighted. But hey, some folks don't believe you should make use of those excellent Fuji lenses for video; No, You should go out and buy a dedicated Video camera ;-)

>>> An appeal to Fuji : please fix the video on the X series

Wouldn't it be better to communicate your feelings to the Fuji company directly?

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Brad Evans said:

>>> An appeal to Fuji : please fix the video on the X series

Wouldn't it be better to communicate your feelings to the Fuji company directly?

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Brad Evans said:

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How do you know the OP hasn't contacted Fuji?

Fuji have a history of listening to the market, I don't see the problem with the OP starting this thread on a dedicated Fuji Camera forum.

And how do you know he has has?

He hasn't stated he did or didn't. If he made his appeal to Fuji directly, then why make it again here?

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Because this is a forum for people interested in Fuji equipment. And judging by the responses, it has certainly raised some talking points. DP being the most popular photo equipment forum in the world, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think maybe the odd Fuji employee or two has cast an eye this way. The OP made the title very clear, if people do not wish to read the thread or make a post that is their own free will.

DJF77 said:

I honestly do not get it at all.. I rarely use video, but I would still love my Fuji to have excellent video capability. If you dont use it then why would you not want others who would use it to enjoy the benefit?

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No problem as long as it doesn't interfere with Fuji updating and fixing other things that we photo people want. I named a couple in an earlier post.

DJF77 said:

As for this buy a video camera if you want video nonscense; who in there right mind would want to take a camera and a video camera out on a day out? 99% of people would welcome a camera that can do both (except a few technophobes on here)

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99 percent? I doubt that. I owned a 5D2 for a couple years and NEVER ONCE took a single video with it. Some people simply don't care about it at all. I have a nice video cam, a sony, and I haven't used it in forever, so I'll have to buy a new battery some day when I do.

DJF77 said:

Fuji already has the Photography side down to a tee.

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I already named a couple things I want to see updated.

DJF77 said:

Improving video would be no hardship, Sony and Panasonic can do it

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So you are sure time is NOT money? So all the things they would need to do would be free for them? Nothing could make a new model cost more or cause delays in other aspects being improved? You are sure of this?

DJF77 said:

> there is no real reason Fuji can't put a little more effort into it, I highly doubt it would hinder any advances on the photography side (unless you wish to tell me what and how?). Oh, and if you don't want the video mode.... Don't use it.

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You can assure us 100 percent that it will cost them o time or money or delays or price hikes in any way, really?

I promise you that Fuji will improve video quality in future cameras, they can't afford not to, as some one else has already pointed out. Fuji aren't aiming for a niche, they are aiming for a well rounded system accessible to many. There are many potential buyers who will want decent video from their camera. I have no doubt Fuji already will be working on this.

DJF77 said:

I promise you that Fuji will improve video quality in future cameras, they can't afford not to, as some one else has already pointed out. Fuji aren't aiming for a niche, they are aiming for a well rounded system accessible to many. There are many potential buyers who will want decent video from their camera. I have no doubt Fuji already will be working on this.

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Cool, but as for us photo only people, our point stands, we have other issues we would like addressed and if video implementation would delay that or make new models cost more we would rather see them drop it all together.

And I still never got an answer to a big question, how can video be so important to anyone who bought an X-E1 knowing going in that it doesn't do video well? Had video been important to me I most likely would not have chosen the Fuji.

I'm not interested in video.

Eric

:-)guitarjeff said:

DJF77 said:

I promise you that Fuji will improve video quality in future cameras, they can't afford not to, as some one else has already pointed out. Fuji aren't aiming for a niche, they are aiming for a well rounded system accessible to many. There are many potential buyers who will want decent video from their camera. I have no doubt Fuji already will be working on this.

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Cool, but as for us photo only people, our point stands, we have other issues we would like addressed and if video implementation would delay that or make new models cost more we would rather see them drop it all together.

And I still never got an answer to a big question, how can video be so important to anyone who bought an X-E1 knowing going in that it doesn't do video well? Had video been important to me I most likely would not have chosen the Fuji.

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I would guess that it is important to those folks who would want their Camera to be able to have good video ability should they wish to use it. We are all different and expect different things, all modern cameras have video capability, it's just that the Fuji's lack a little in this department compare to its rivals.

>>> The OP made the title very clear, if people do not wish to read the thread or make a post that is their own free will.

But many do want to read the thread. And, on their own free will suggest approaches, or raise questions (such as mine) that might achieve better results.

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I would love to see improved video on the fuji's too.

why did i buy a fuji when video is important to me? because stills are also important to me. at the end of the day, both stills and video are important to me, so my ideal kit would include a dedicated video camera that was capable of shooting stills in a pinch + a dedicated stills camera that was also capable of shooting video in a pinch. not that complicated.

PraxisPictures said:

I would love to see improved video on the fuji's too.

why did i buy a fuji when video is important to me? because stills are also important to me. at the end of the day, both stills and video are important to me, so my ideal kit would include a dedicated video camera that was capable of shooting stills in a pinch + a dedicated stills camera that was also capable of shooting video in a pinch. not that complicated.

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But there were better choices for video that still would have given you fine stills too, so I don't feel you answered the question, really. And the Fuji can do video "in a pinch"

In the end, I see no real disagreement though, since video supporters say updating the video will not be any cost to Fuji and won't delay other updates and such, and that is what we photo only folks care about, so it looks like all is well.

I agree with you, Jeff. I think sometimes people can be so passionate about a product (or person, for that matter), that they willfully ignore the glaring flaws. Or they say "If I don't use/need it, I don't care." Fuji has always been a "niche" player (most of my local camera stores don't even carry it because of the tiny market share), so I don't see any downside to improving features to attract a larger market share so Fuji can compete on the larger scale. It's all about the bottom line; if Fuji is not making profit (I am not saying it isn't), they will abandon the product, regardless of the passion some select groups of people feel about it. Some people still say film is much better, but how many people are still using a film camera?

I personally don't care about videos either (my phone will do), but it's an embarrassment that there is no continuous AF in recording mode (Panasonic had that three or more generations ago), which I found out just the other day. Honestly, it's so pathetic I'd rather that Fuji doesn't include video, period. I am serious considering assigning a function to the video button because there is no way I will use it ever.

I love the X-T1, but it's never wrong to request a feature, whether it will be granted or not!

guitarjeff said:

PraxisPictures said:

I would love to see improved video on the fuji's too.

why did i buy a fuji when video is important to me? because stills are also important to me. at the end of the day, both stills and video are important to me, so my ideal kit would include a dedicated video camera that was capable of shooting stills in a pinch + a dedicated stills camera that was also capable of shooting video in a pinch. not that complicated.

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But there were better choices for video that still would have given you fine stills too, so I don't feel you answered the question, really. And the Fuji can do video "in a pinch"

In the end, I see no real disagreement though, since video supporters say updating the video will not be any cost to Fuji and won't delay other updates and such, and that is what we photo only folks care about, so it looks like all is well.

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I was videoing an opera in a cave once. I was using my Sony RX100 as its so compact and the zoom and video is superb.

Near the end the battery gave out so I switched to my XE1 I had with me. When reviewing the videos later I was surprised at how high quality the sound was on the Sony, the video was stable and did not jitter or wiggle, but the XE1 video had bad sound that clipped sometimes, the video quality was considerably worse.

I take stills mainly as well but sometimes a video is a better medium as for one thing it has sound.

Sony is the way better choice for video and they are strengthening that.

Smartphones have video and its not bad. So to compete they would need to be at least as good as a smartphone and really should be considerably better.

I agree, Fuji has been neglecting video and only a sales analyst could tell if it is impacting on their sales or not but it can't hurt to improve it that is for sure.

Greg.