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With the release of the A7s and it's 12MP sensor, one could think that the MP race is over ? The release of the A77 II is just around the corner, so if that camera has as rumoured 32MP on a APS-C sensor, is that not overkill ? now that Sony seems to turn to less MP, I don't see here or in the E-mount discussions any complaines about insufficient MP for the A7s, so why is it needed to have 32MP on a APS-C sensor for the A77 II if rumours are true ????would it not be better for Sony to stick with 24MP for the A77 II, what do you think about this back to the past at 12MP ?? and why not less MP for a APS-C sensor. thanks.
 
Photostyle said:
With the release of the A7s and it's 12MP sensor, one could think that the MP race is over ? The release of the A77 II is just around the corner, so if that camera has as rumoured 32MP on a APS-C sensor, is that not overkill ? now that Sony seems to turn to less MP, I don't see here or in the E-mount discussions any complaines about insufficient MP for the A7s, so why is it needed to have 32MP on a APS-C sensor for the A77 II if rumours are true ????would it not be better for Sony to stick with 24MP for the A77 II, what do you think about this back to the past at 12MP ?? and why not less MP for a APS-C sensor. thanks.
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A) The A7s is part of a trio of cameras.. each with 12 MP more per camera. So why be upset the user has choices..

b) Last rumor of the A77II was it would stay 24 MP. Which is fine by me. Because odds are there will not be a A77IIs A77IIr etc. So if we don't get a choice..keep it there. I already am backing up 1.2 TB in the cloud.. really don't need 32 MP RAW files in an APC.

A7s don't have the best sensor AF system Sony has on them A6000 does.

And for some reason Sony decided that A7 could use a plastic front plate because it would not be users with larger telephotos.. REALLY? everyone in a while in what looks like some nice design work Sony does something stupid.

But yes.. I think in general all but the most extreme photographic users are fine where the MP are and I am thrilled to see a camera that being optimized for the best 4K out of a hybrid will also do amazing low light photography. If it had a better control set.. I would consider moving to the system for the choices.
 
It depends on what sort of photography you practise. I do mostly wildlife,birds and macro and I need the high resolution because I need to crop a lot. The 24mp sensor in the A77 was a step up from the 14mp in the A550 I previous had. If they go up to 32mp you won't here me complaining. But the noise levels have to stay low of course and I hope the A77II will loose the mirror to get more light in. A 12mp sensor in the A77II would not be for me.
 
No. What we are seeing here is a system addressing a very specific need completing a trio: 12, 24 and 36mp. Even on APSc, NEX-3 was 14mp, now entry level E-mount is 20MP.

The increase may slow down, at least for now, but mainly due to other limitations (file size, processing speed, burst rate etc), not because people would rather have lower res.
 
Photostyle said:
With the release of the A7s and it's 12MP sensor, one could think that the MP race is over ? The release of the A77 II is just around the corner, so if that camera has as rumoured 32MP on a APS-C sensor, is that not overkill ? now that Sony seems to turn to less MP, I don't see here or in the E-mount discussions any complaines about insufficient MP for the A7s, so why is it needed to have 32MP on a APS-C sensor for the A77 II if rumours are true ????would it not be better for Sony to stick with 24MP for the A77 II, what do you think about this back to the past at 12MP ?? and why not less MP for a APS-C sensor. thanks.
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As others have said or are leading to, the short answer is no.

The difference seems to be more of a public acknowledgement that their are photographers out there with varying needs where one sensor no longer fits everyone's needs. Because of this we are seeing a bigger selection to choose from where each caters to a particular crowd (12MP, 24MP, 36MP, etc.).

Also, as far as the latest rumors go, the A77II is said to still be 24MP. Which, considering how large the files can get, I'm not complaining if they stick to that resolution on an APS-C . I just want them to give us 14-bit (in all shooting modes),an improved RAW with an uncompressed option, improved noise characteristics/handling, and better AF along with improved MFA capabilities.
 
K E Hoffman said:
Photostyle said:
With the release of the A7s and it's 12MP sensor, one could think that the MP race is over ? The release of the A77 II is just around the corner, so if that camera has as rumoured 32MP on a APS-C sensor, is that not overkill ? now that Sony seems to turn to less MP, I don't see here or in the E-mount discussions any complaines about insufficient MP for the A7s, so why is it needed to have 32MP on a APS-C sensor for the A77 II if rumours are true ????would it not be better for Sony to stick with 24MP for the A77 II, what do you think about this back to the past at 12MP ?? and why not less MP for a APS-C sensor. thanks.
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And for some reason Sony decided that A7 could use a plastic front plate because it would not be users with larger telephotos.. REALLY? everyone in a while in what looks like some nice design work Sony does something stupid.
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The D4/s is a 16mpix camera running $6500. That says a lot. Most working Pros do not need more mpix rather they need more speed and a camera that is comfortable to shoot.

If you want to see what working pros want just take a peak at the working mans camera in flavors Canon and Nikon.

As for mpix wars as long as manufactures can convince buyers that more mpix = more better we will continue to see mpix monsters.
 
RonFrank said:
The D4/s is a 16mpix camera running $6500. That says a lot. Most working Pros do not need more mpix rather they need more speed and a camera that is comfortable to shoot.

If you want to see what working pros want just take a peak at the working mans camera in flavors Canon and Nikon.

As for mpix wars as long as manufactures can convince buyers that more mpix = more better we will continue to see mpix monsters.
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Endos said:
K E Hoffman said:
Photostyle said:
With the release of the A7s and it's 12MP sensor, one could think that the MP race is over ? The release of the A77 II is just around the corner, so if that camera has as rumoured 32MP on a APS-C sensor, is that not overkill ? now that Sony seems to turn to less MP, I don't see here or in the E-mount discussions any complaines about insufficient MP for the A7s, so why is it needed to have 32MP on a APS-C sensor for the A77 II if rumours are true ????would it not be better for Sony to stick with 24MP for the A77 II, what do you think about this back to the past at 12MP ?? and why not less MP for a APS-C sensor. thanks.
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And for some reason Sony decided that A7 could use a plastic front plate because it would not be users with larger telephotos.. REALLY? everyone in a while in what looks like some nice design work Sony does something stupid.

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K.E.H. >> Shooting between raindrops in WA<<
Don't Panic!.. these are just opinions... go take some pictures..
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The A99 it's also made from plastic and no one is complaining...

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No its not....

A99 Magnesium frame. The flange for amount attaches to the lens control frame in front because it needs perfect alignment with the focus motor and IRIS control level.. E-mount is 100% electronic so the flange attaches to the body and the signal contacts are inside but not directly part of the mount flange.

A99 Magnesium frame. The flange for amount attaches to the lens control frame in front because it needs perfect alignment with the focus motor and IRIS control level.. E-mount is 100% electronic so the flange attaches to the body and the signal contacts are inside but not directly part of the mount flange.

Now looking into it.. this the A7R set up. Its more plastic shell... but not as bad as some reports have made it.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53351338

IT looks like the mount flange shares both screws to the main metal frame and some to the plastic front plate. The A7r has a metal front plate.

Odds are as long as you don't mess with it both are fine.. but plastic is more likely to have the threads strip than metal if there is a bit too much stress it can't IMO add any back up to the frame..

Probably a 1:10,000 chance of it breaking, if somebody used the camera tripod mount and large lens that would have a collar (but not used).

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K.E.H. >> Shooting between raindrops in WA<<
Don't Panic!.. these are just opinions... go take some pictures..
 
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That do not change the fact that the A99 frontal panel is made of plastic.

Compare it to the A900

sony-a900-body-magnesium-alloy.jpg


But as far as I know, all mounts in Sony cameras to date are screwed on plastic, and this is a feature, not a shortcoming.

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Regards,
Juan
 
RonFrank said:
The D4/s is a 16mpix camera running $6500. That says a lot. Most working Pros do not need more mpix rather they need more speed and a camera that is comfortable to shoot.
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I don't know what that says, because the same Nikon also sells the D800(e) which a lot of shooting professionals are buying/bought.
 
kongqueror said:
RonFrank said:
The D4/s is a 16mpix camera running $6500. That says a lot. Most working Pros do not need more mpix rather they need more speed and a camera that is comfortable to shoot.

If you want to see what working pros want just take a peak at the working mans camera in flavors Canon and Nikon.

As for mpix wars as long as manufactures can convince buyers that more mpix = more better we will continue to see mpix monsters.
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Photostyle said:
With the release of the A7s and it's 12MP sensor, one could think that the MP race is over ? The release of the A77 II is just around the corner, so if that camera has as rumoured 32MP on a APS-C sensor, is that not overkill ? now that Sony seems to turn to less MP, I don't see here or in the E-mount discussions any complaines about insufficient MP for the A7s, so why is it needed to have 32MP on a APS-C sensor for the A77 II if rumours are true ????would it not be better for Sony to stick with 24MP for the A77 II, what do you think about this back to the past at 12MP ?? and why not less MP for a APS-C sensor. thanks.
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The race will go on, since Mp is much more than resolution and pixel size doesn't matter much for high ISO performance - sensor size do.

The A7s is a camera designed for ultra-clean 4K video output. For still photographers there might not be that much to win over higher Mp sensors at very high ISO settings when the files are scaled to the same size. We have to wait a bit to find out.
 
Photostyle said:
With the release of the A7s and it's 12MP sensor, one could think that the MP race is over ? The release of the A77 II is just around the corner, so if that camera has as rumoured 32MP on a APS-C sensor, is that not overkill ? now that Sony seems to turn to less MP, I don't see here or in the E-mount discussions any complaines about insufficient MP for the A7s, so why is it needed to have 32MP on a APS-C sensor for the A77 II if rumours are true ????would it not be better for Sony to stick with 24MP for the A77 II, what do you think about this back to the past at 12MP ?? and why not less MP for a APS-C sensor. thanks.
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Kurzweil - exponential technological growth + not quite at medium format res + 'more is better' = no.

I know it's totally different, but there is the 45mp DSLR from Sigma, and the medium format cameras are 50-100mp.

Say they figured out how to halve the current pixel size, that would also be neat, which would mean 48mp on my a65.

Like economic growth, it will 'never' end...ha
 
Photostyle said:
With the release of the A7s and it's 12MP sensor, one could think that the MP race is over ? The release of the A77 II is just around the corner, so if that camera has as rumoured 32MP on a APS-C sensor, is that not overkill ? now that Sony seems to turn to less MP, I don't see here or in the E-mount discussions any complaines about insufficient MP for the A7s, so why is it needed to have 32MP on a APS-C sensor for the A77 II if rumours are true ????would it not be better for Sony to stick with 24MP for the A77 II, what do you think about this back to the past at 12MP ?? and why not less MP for a APS-C sensor. thanks.
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this is so funny ..i wrote just about the same thread just a week ago ..just before the A7s was declared.

would be fun now to see all those who tried in every way justify the MP race now .

it was the best when the size was 16mp-12mp covering the APS-C category .
even without covering that ..there are other aspect beside just noise : file size , buffer size for multiple shots ..etc.



i for one believe the reason the noise output has barely changed since 2009 ( not jpeg engine but RAW ) is this stupid MP race above all other reasons.

a shame though that with 12mp sensor the current info claims such a low fps . if its the case i think it was made on purpose and i do not like that
 
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