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I have estimated that I can sell my MFT kit with 5 lenses and make just enough to buy X-T1 with 3 lenses.

I know I will be getting better, cleaner files. But the hit on lens I have at disposal will be not be insignificant.

My current MFT kit:
  • Panasonic GX7
  • Olympus 12-40 f2.8
  • Panasonic 35-100 f2.8
  • Olympus 17 f1.8
  • Olympus 45 f1.8
  • Olympus 75 f1.8
The Fujifilm kit I am considering:
  • Fuji X-T1
  • XF 18-55 f2.8-4.0
  • XF 23 f1.4
  • XF 56 f1.2
On the prime side, I will still have 35mm FOV prime and a very good portrait lens. (I use both the Olympus 45 and 75 for portrait) The max apertures are also wider, so I am getting more latitude.

But on the zoom side, I will have lost the 12-40 and 35-100, both constant f2.8. The 18-55 is very good, but the f2.8 zooms are excellent.

In terms of focal length coverage, I will max out at 56 with the above Fuji kit. My current MFT kit covers significantly more with the 75 and 35-100.

How I shoot: Without going too long, I basically use the primes when situation calls for a prime, and the zooms when the situation calls for a zoom.

Worth it? Perhaps I should wait for price of both X-T1 and the 2 prime lenses to drop somewhat?

Should I consider a different Fuji kit? Replacing the 23 with 55-200?
 
I sold off a bunch of MFT gear, kept the bits I really liked, picked up a used X Pro 1 super cheap, and have been buying Fuji glass ever since.

Both systems are brilliant, but as an avid hiker/camper I can tell you the Fuji stays in the car when I hit the mountains.

Love the Fuji.

Love the em-5.
 
Chrisada said:
I have estimated that I can sell my MFT kit with 5 lenses and make just enough to buy X-T1 with 3 lenses.

I know I will be getting better, cleaner files. But the hit on lens I have at disposal will be not be insignificant.

My current MFT kit:
  • Panasonic GX7
  • Olympus 12-40 f2.8
  • Panasonic 35-100 f2.8
  • Olympus 17 f1.8
  • Olympus 45 f1.8
  • Olympus 75 f1.8
The Fujifilm kit I am considering:
  • Fuji X-T1
  • XF 18-55 f2.8-4.0
  • XF 23 f1.4
  • XF 56 f1.2
On the prime side, I will still have 35mm FOV prime and a very good portrait lens. (I use both the Olympus 45 and 75 for portrait) The max apertures are also wider, so I am getting more latitude.

But on the zoom side, I will have lost the 12-40 and 35-100, both constant f2.8. The 18-55 is very good, but the f2.8 zooms are excellent.
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If you use the m43 zooms much, I'd sit tight, at LEAST until Fuji releases their f2.8 companion zooms later this year or sometime next year. My guess is they'll be really good (almost every Fuji lens is excellent) but I think they'll also be a LOT bigger than the m43 zooms. I'd say the Fuji 23 and 56 are nicer than the Olympus 17 and 45, but there's nothing in the Fuji lineup like the Olympus 75.

If you can afford it, I'd buy a Fuji body (maybe something less expensive than the XT1), the 23 and the 56 and sell the Olympus 17 and 45, but I'd keep the rest of the m43 kit for the foreseeable future. The way the GX7 or any of the newer Olympus bodies handle with those zooms, particularly the speed and nimbleness of the system, is something Fuji doesn't quite have down yet. It's a lot closer than it used to be, but m43 still has a clear advantage here. And I still don't think the Fuji face recognition is up to the standard of Olympus. Then again, I don't think Panasonic is either (I had both an EM1 and GX7 for a while and loved the GX7, but the eye-priority on the EM1 was more consistently great than the face recognition on the GX7), so you might not miss much there.

If you can't afford to have a foot in each system, I'd sit tight for now, at least until Fuji releases their f2.8 zooms and you get a chance to check them out.

I have an EM1 and an XT1. I use the EM1 with the 12-40, 35-100, 75mm, and (very rarely) the 75-300. I use the XT1 with the 10-24, 14, and 23. I also have a 50-230 so I can travel all-Fuji and still have some reach available. The Oly 75 is such a great portrait and candid shooter that I don't know if I'll get the Fuji 56 or not - I might or might just pick up a used 60 for the occasional use I'd get from it.

I love the combination. If I had to pick one it would be tough - m43 is still more versatile and just generally more nimble than the Fuji. But I'm mostly a prime shooter and the Fuji primes are absolutely sublime, so it would be really hard to let that go. But if I was in your shoes and shot both zooms and primes a lot, I'd stick with m43. Zooms and longer lenses are where m43 really comes into it's own. The m43 primes are very small and very good - the Fuji primes are larger but are also just insanely good. I'd say the Olympus 75 and the new Pana-Leica 42.5 are probably in the same league as the Fuji glass (the 75 maybe better, but it's also sort of unique), but for the most part, the Fuji primes are the reason to get into the system.

-Ray
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We judge photographers by the photographs we see. We judge cameras by the photographs we miss - Haim Zamir
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You will get about half what you paid. You have not said how the mft gear is letting you down.

However, if you can afford it why not!

But you question about how much you loose is telling.

IMO stay with what you have for a while.

Brian
 
Why ask a bunch of strangers what you should do?

You know what your shooting preferences are.

You know what the specs for all the kit mean.

You know how much it will cost and how much you can afford.

What are we supposed to tell you?

Genuine question.
 
I was shooting with a EM-1 with the Olympus 9-18, 12-40, 14-150, 45, 60, 75 and their 75-300. I unloaded some lighting gear with some pocket wizards that I was not using in order to pick up the XE-1 with a 18-55 and the 35 but kept my Olympus gear. I enjoyed shooting with the XE-1 so much that I also picked up the Fuji XT-1, 75-200, 27 and their 14. Although I will probably not use the EM-1 as much, I can not part with it because the Fuji gear does not have enough lenses in their zooms in order to cover the range that I need to cover with using just one camera and I like using the Olympus flash more than I like using the Fuji flash.
 
Your gear is fine, very good lenses. I guess it is the XT1 phenomena...
 
Chrisada said:
I have estimated that I can sell my MFT kit with 5 lenses and make just enough to buy X-T1 with 3 lenses.

I know I will be getting better, cleaner files. But the hit on lens I have at disposal will be not be insignificant.

My current MFT kit:
  • Panasonic GX7
  • Olympus 12-40 f2.8
  • Panasonic 35-100 f2.8
  • Olympus 17 f1.8
  • Olympus 45 f1.8
  • Olympus 75 f1.8
The Fujifilm kit I am considering:
  • Fuji X-T1
  • XF 18-55 f2.8-4.0
  • XF 23 f1.4
  • XF 56 f1.2
On the prime side, I will still have 35mm FOV prime and a very good portrait lens. (I use both the Olympus 45 and 75 for portrait) The max apertures are also wider, so I am getting more latitude.

But on the zoom side, I will have lost the 12-40 and 35-100, both constant f2.8. The 18-55 is very good, but the f2.8 zooms are excellent.

In terms of focal length coverage, I will max out at 56 with the above Fuji kit. My current MFT kit covers significantly more with the 75 and 35-100.

How I shoot: Without going too long, I basically use the primes when situation calls for a prime, and the zooms when the situation calls for a zoom.

Worth it? Perhaps I should wait for price of both X-T1 and the 2 prime lenses to drop somewhat?

Should I consider a different Fuji kit? Replacing the 23 with 55-200?
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Personally I would wait if I was you. You got an excellent m43 lens line up.

It'll be interesting to see how big and heavy the Fuji f/2.8 constant zooms and the longer telephoto turns out to be.

If a miracle happens and Fuji/Panasonic actually comes out with organic sensors, the m43 might really shine.

The 23 is excellent. I'm liking the 55-200 a lot, but, I do wonder if the f/2.8 telephoto would be better for me.

At any rate, I would wait until the next Fuji sale.
 
I agree. Since finances are a consideration, you will be much worse off buying the Fuji lenses this week than you would have during the sale. Enjoy your great M4/3 kit.
 
If you really want to switch here's what I would suggest. I'm assuming you need to sell some gear to finance the new gear.

Sell these 3 lenses as they would have the best resale value:
  • Olympus 12-40 f2.8
  • Panasonic 35-100 f2.8
  • Olympus 75 f1.8
Keep the Panasonic GX7, the 17mm and the 45mm. Start off with the Fuji X-T1 and 1 lens. Build it slowly over time, wait for the next sale, etc.

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Your kit is fine, you wont find the same range and quality of lenses with Fuji, you're not gaining substantial IQ differences. You're gaining X-Trans which you may or may not like. You have a whole bunch of fast primes and zooms so the high ISO issues shouldn't be a problem with µ4/3. You wont gain any real world IQ benefits... You will gain X-Trans.
 
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Chrisada said:
Worth it? Perhaps I should wait for price of both X-T1 and the 2 prime lenses to drop somewhat?
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Waiting for the Fuji to drop in price means your gear's value will drop at least as much.

Sell you primes and use the zooms for the next month or two. See which focal length you used the most and buy lenses based on that.
 
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Lumixdude said:
Your kit is fine, you wont find the same range and quality of lenses with Fuji,
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This is a biased critic... If you refer to the quality of Fuji lenses, then you should simply say thay these lenses are stunning ! You 'd better not have mentionned the quality of Fuji lenses, bad bet.
Lumixdude said:
you're not gaining substantial IQ differences.

You're gaining X-Trans which you may or may not like. You have a whole bunch of fast primes and zooms so the high ISO issues shouldn't be a problem with µ4/3. You wont gain any real world IQ benefits... You will gain X-Trans.
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There will always be 2/3 stops in favor of the aps-c sensor.

He would not be the first one to make the move.

Though, I am sure the m43 are really good cameras.
 
Of course there is an aperture advantage, my point is though, with fast lenses who needs aperture or ISO or any of that (for the most part anyway :-P). And, µ4/3 lenses and camera bodies are fast enough to be shooting in available and still lock focus.

I don't want to get into a debate about Fuji vs. µ4/3 focus but, it kinda has to also be said that despite any aperture advantage Fuji has if you're shooting in most conditions including low light µ4/3 has a decisive advantage in terms of raw focus lock speed.

Fuji is great and the lenses are great, what I did mean to say is that there is simply not as many high quality lenses for Fuji and when you've got all of the good primes for µ4/3 it's going to be a hard task replacing them.

If there was someone who was biased it was the poster in here who suggested getting rid of the 12-40 F/2.8 Pro and the Panasonic 35-100 F/2.8. These are two of the best µ4/3 zoom lenses.

I do like Fuji, but for this round at least there are enough issues that I can't consider buying a Fuji camera yet. That's not bias, it's just honest posting.
 
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I asked first why you want to buy XT-1 and X lenses to know reason if warranted. ask why change and why give up m4/3 kit. cannot give good advice alone without knowing what and why you need.
 
Lumixdude said:
Fuji is great and the lenses are great, what I did mean to say is that there is simply not as many high quality lenses for Fuji and when you've got all of the good primes for µ4/3 it's going to be a hard task replacing them.

If there was someone who was biased it was the poster in here who suggested getting rid of the 12-40 F/2.8 Pro and the Panasonic 35-100 F/2.8. These are two of the best µ4/3 zoom lenses.

I do like Fuji, but for this round at least there are enough issues that I can't consider buying a Fuji camera yet. That's not bias, it's just honest posting.
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That is the very reason that I have not gone and sold off my EM-1 and lenses to go full Fuji. I have that Olympus 12-40 2.8 as well as their 14-150 that I use for different shoots that I have to do. The Fuji 18-55 2.8-4 is close to the Olympus 12-40 2.8, but Fuji has nothing close to covering the 14-150 which I do need for a good deal of most of my work. Rather than carry the Fuji for work hoping that I will not need a lens in the area of a 28-300, or having to switch to the 75-200 constantly to cover it is not a good idea. I do use a Olympus 9-18 in some of my work and Fuji now has something in that area. When Fuji matures and get more lenses, then and only then can I consider selling off my EM-1 that I also have no plans of selling because Fuji has no flash system at this time that I would consider even coming close to the flash system of the Olympus system.
 
darngooddesign said:
Chrisada said:
Worth it? Perhaps I should wait for price of both X-T1 and the 2 prime lenses to drop somewhat?
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Waiting for the Fuji to drop in price means your gear's value will drop at least as much.

Sell you primes and use the zooms for the next month or two. See which focal length you used the most and buy lenses based on that.
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I had a EM-5 that I purchased while Olympus had a sale going on, after purchasing three lenses, I got a good deal on the price, a total of $500 off of everything. Once I went to trade off the EM-5 in in order to get the EM-1 the trade in value of the EM-5 had dropped to less than half.
 
gerard boulanger said:
Your gear is fine, very good lenses. I guess it is the XT1 phenomena...
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I suppose you could call it that :) I have caught the Fuji bug for quite some time. I admire the JPG quality, the color rendering especially skin tones, and to a smaller degree the lower noise compared to MFT.

But the X-T1 is the first camera in the X series that meet my usable threshold when it comes to autofocus speed and accuracy.
 
Ray Sachs said:
Chrisada said:
I have estimated that I can sell my MFT kit with 5 lenses and make just enough to buy X-T1 with 3 lenses.

I know I will be getting better, cleaner files. But the hit on lens I have at disposal will be not be insignificant.

My current MFT kit:
  • Panasonic GX7
  • Olympus 12-40 f2.8
  • Panasonic 35-100 f2.8
  • Olympus 17 f1.8
  • Olympus 45 f1.8
  • Olympus 75 f1.8
The Fujifilm kit I am considering:
  • Fuji X-T1
  • XF 18-55 f2.8-4.0
  • XF 23 f1.4
  • XF 56 f1.2
On the prime side, I will still have 35mm FOV prime and a very good portrait lens. (I use both the Olympus 45 and 75 for portrait) The max apertures are also wider, so I am getting more latitude.

But on the zoom side, I will have lost the 12-40 and 35-100, both constant f2.8. The 18-55 is very good, but the f2.8 zooms are excellent.
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If you use the m43 zooms much, I'd sit tight, at LEAST until Fuji releases their f2.8 companion zooms later this year or sometime next year. My guess is they'll be really good (almost every Fuji lens is excellent) but I think they'll also be a LOT bigger than the m43 zooms. I'd say the Fuji 23 and 56 are nicer than the Olympus 17 and 45, but there's nothing in the Fuji lineup like the Olympus 75.

If you can afford it, I'd buy a Fuji body (maybe something less expensive than the XT1), the 23 and the 56 and sell the Olympus 17 and 45, but I'd keep the rest of the m43 kit for the foreseeable future. The way the GX7 or any of the newer Olympus bodies handle with those zooms, particularly the speed and nimbleness of the system, is something Fuji doesn't quite have down yet. It's a lot closer than it used to be, but m43 still has a clear advantage here. And I still don't think the Fuji face recognition is up to the standard of Olympus. Then again, I don't think Panasonic is either (I had both an EM1 and GX7 for a while and loved the GX7, but the eye-priority on the EM1 was more consistently great than the face recognition on the GX7), so you might not miss much there.

If you can't afford to have a foot in each system, I'd sit tight for now, at least until Fuji releases their f2.8 zooms and you get a chance to check them out.

I have an EM1 and an XT1. I use the EM1 with the 12-40, 35-100, 75mm, and (very rarely) the 75-300. I use the XT1 with the 10-24, 14, and 23. I also have a 50-230 so I can travel all-Fuji and still have some reach available. The Oly 75 is such a great portrait and candid shooter that I don't know if I'll get the Fuji 56 or not - I might or might just pick up a used 60 for the occasional use I'd get from it.

I love the combination. If I had to pick one it would be tough - m43 is still more versatile and just generally more nimble than the Fuji. But I'm mostly a prime shooter and the Fuji primes are absolutely sublime, so it would be really hard to let that go. But if I was in your shoes and shot both zooms and primes a lot, I'd stick with m43. Zooms and longer lenses are where m43 really comes into it's own. The m43 primes are very small and very good - the Fuji primes are larger but are also just insanely good. I'd say the Olympus 75 and the new Pana-Leica 42.5 are probably in the same league as the Fuji glass (the 75 maybe better, but it's also sort of unique), but for the most part, the Fuji primes are the reason to get into the system.

-Ray
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We judge photographers by the photographs we see. We judge cameras by the photographs we miss - Haim Zamir
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20889767@N05/
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Ray, that makes a ton of sense. Thank you!

I thought of myself as a prime shooter, until my daughter arrived 3 years ago. The pro zooms and quick/reliable autofocus can make real difference with kids indoor.

I mentioned in another reply that I was considering this out of admiration of Fuji's final file outputs. But I really struggled with autofocus on every models up to X-E2. If If not a full switch and just dipping my toe, I might just get thebX100s. Hmm....
 
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