Nikon V3 modular rival to Oly EM1

Dear Ricardo: avoid deciding based on opinions and attitudes of fanboys. I also find similar people in the m43 forum that make me think twice about joining the system, since some there tend to be really obnoxious and narrow-minded.

I think the Nikon 1 has some interesting strengths, like all systems. It's a bit restricted at this point, in terms of body and lens alternatives, but in some cases they work very well, like for action and some fast shooting situations. The V1 I use is a great snapshooting tool, and produce pretty decent files. But it's no dslrs re IQ nor in terms of lens availability.

Good luck!
 
V1 and D7000 are pretty incompatible. One can use adapters for all systems.
N1 retains center AF with AF-C.
More than what? Do you really think the V3 is cheap? With that crappy kit lens?

If Oly or Panny will stay in business is hard to say, but I'd be prepared to bet that Panny will stay longer than Nikon. Nikon stocks have lost the most value last year in the Tokyo SM.
Excuse me. I don't cherry pick. Pany and Sony corporate entity is in long term decline. Pany ahs set ROI targets for their units and are pruning the tree.

As I pointed out here, tiny Nikon is at the forefront of technology, I'm not impressed by how Pany has leverages their technological knowhow.


The most interesting aspect of m43 is exactly the competition between two major players. Only system that enjoys that. The offering of bodies and lenses is by far the best besides Nikon and Canon FF offerings.
Actually, Canikon APS-C are pretty good thanks to Sigma/Tamron/Tokina.
 
the smaller sensor means smaller and cheaper lenses.
in theory yes, but when comparing N1 and MFT it's often not the case. Nikon 1 was not designed with compactness and affordability in mind (unlike samsung NX)
 
With that crappy kit lens?
:-D :-D :-D

What is that stuff you are smoking?

Are you sure we have the same kit lens? I mean, not the same individual, but the same focal length. The 10-30 is an excellent kit lens, at least my copy, and the one SLR gear tested is definitely excellent, especially compared with other manufacturers kit zooms.
 
Very different cameras. I wouldn't compare it. If we were talking about image quality the EM1 wins hands down. Even if you could do some jobs the same way with both, I don't see the V3 winning against the EM1 anymore than an EM1 winning against a Nikon D4s. Each has a tier to belong to, and to me the V3 just looks overpriced (V3 should be like $900 USD tops as sold in the USA with the bundles).
There is just no comparison between a pro camera like D4s and EM1. Besides the difference in AF and the accessories available, the D4s works with almost every Nikkor lens and flash made in the last +30 years.

I would suggest that the V3 makes the EM1 look old tech. The V3 is a showcase of the MILC technology of the future.
How can a camera that has considerably worse image quality, worse build quality, lesser lens selection, and which is lacking standard features (viewfinder+flash, swivel flash, remote flash, focus peaking, etc.) be the "showcase of the MILC technology of the future"? Are you joking HappyVan?
No, he's not. His Nikon fanboi colors are flying high though.
If that's the future, than MILCs have NO future.
Micro Four Thirds sells way more cameras than Nikon 1, has at least 4 different companies making bodies for it and countless companies making lenses for it. The future is much brighter for Micro Four Thirds than Nikon 1. It will only take one decision by one Nikon senior executive to end the Nikon 1 line and that will be the end of that.
What's particularly troubling for Nikon 1 (like Pentax Q, another HappyVan 'technology of the future') is that they picked the wrong end of the sensor range, the smaller end where it more closely competes against cellphone cameras. Cellphone cameras are ravaging the market for low-end and small cameras. Cellphone clip-on cameras are also going to eat into that market. All camera markets are feeling that pressure, but none more so than small-sensor cameras where the IQ difference is less compelling.
This is a very one dimensional view! First of all, 4/3 isn't a new standard, has been around for quite a while,
Has been around since the E-1 and died with the E-3. The E-5 was just a last straw but no more lenses since 2009. If I am not wrong, all except one pro lens lens was release before 2007. That's a pretty long time, and a system with that history is a dead system.
and m43 is just an extension of the 4/3 standard,
No, it is a totally new system. From the beginning, very poor support for 4/3 lenses, just like the poor support of OM lenses in the 4/3 system. In this respect, backward compatibility, Nikon is definitely miles ahead, even in the Nikon 1 system. MFT improved FT support but their lenses are not good enough for CDAF, so they will NEVER be good performers on MFT.
only problem is technology wasn't there to back up the idea, which has it's problems as easily seen through the 1st gen. m43 cameras.
Not really true, technology was there, but this happens when you don't consider backward compatibility and don't care about former users. Olympus has a history of not caring about their customers. They did not care about OM users and they did not care about FT users, they just want you to buy a totally new system every time they change something in the system.
It all started with oly & pan, and the main reason was they couldn't break into the DSLR market so they had to find another the way.
Of course they couldn't break into the DSLR market with their stupid ideas. Basically, they dug their own grave the same day they released the E-1 because they thought that they can release a totally new camera and ignore long time Oly users without any significant punishment. If they would have taken their own customers more seriously they would be a winner today, or at least be there in the same league as Pentax. The idea of 4/3 system was good, but they had a crappy sensor, a crappy AF, very few lenses and zero backward compatibility. That was what killed them. If they would have had auto aperture and AF assist support for OM lenses when they released the E-1, instead of that stupid solution of brand new flange back distance and forcing you to use that dumb MF-1, crippling even the focus assist LED from working, plus would have fixed the AF issues of E-3 and ditched that crappy Panasonic sensor then customers like me would have believed in their future and would still use their DSLRs... Of course, a less corrupt corporate management would have helped them as well, just like better marketing and customer support, but basically, if you ignore your customers they will leave. That's the hard facts of consumer business. If loyalty is not rewarded, news travel fast and that punishes every company very hard today.
As sensor technology advances, m43's problems started to diminish.
No, the sensor technology was there, available for others, just like for Oly.
Product-wise m43 has 4 years head start. Standard-wise, even longer. Now who's to say in another 4 years time 1" sensor couldn't catch up? I think people should be wise to learn from m43, in not to dismiss a standard or system too quickly.
Nikon is definitely serious about the Nikon 1. They are making new lenses and new bodies. What else could proof their intentions? If they made a stupid decision about excluding the EVF or not, we will see. Anyway, it is their decision, and if customers will punish them then they will be gone soon, but if their decision was right we will see that soon as well. For now, I am not worried about their future, unlike Olympus, Nikon as a company is not entirely dependent on the Nikon 1, so even if the Nikon 1 would be gone in a year time, Nikon as a company is still solid. I don't think Olympus can stand another failure though, and if they fail with the MFT due to tougher competition then they will be gone forever, much like Minolta, or even more, if the whole MFT range dies out due to Panasonic not willing to support a failing system.
 
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Dear Ricardo: avoid deciding based on opinions and attitudes of fanboys. I also find similar people in the m43 forum that make me think twice about joining the system, since some there tend to be really obnoxious and narrow-minded.
Oh trust me, I am pretty good with that. I know some of the m4/3rds fanboys as some of them came from 4/3rds Olympus- a system I have had for years :-) Truth is I get a camera as it matches what I need/want.
I think the Nikon 1 has some interesting strengths, like all systems. It's a bit restricted at this point, in terms of body and lens alternatives, but in some cases they work very well, like for action and some fast shooting situations. The V1 I use is a great snapshooting tool, and produce pretty decent files. But it's no dslrs re IQ nor in terms of lens availability.

Good luck!
Thanks. It seems at this point the 1 V3 may be what I have been looking for except for the sensor IQ and the price. But want to see for myself what it can do.

 
The EM1 is really not that good and in my opinion it is way overpriced for the IQ you get. In reality the IQ is not any better than what you get from the OMD as far as I can see.

The IQ may be better than what you get from an N1, but it is really not that much better if the N1 is mounted with one of the best lenses available (18,5mm and 32mm) or a FF lens with the FT1 adapter.

Take a look at the pictures from the latest Dpreview review of the EM10 which has the same sensor as the EM1 - the indoor sports arena shoot at ISO 500 is really disappointing and so are many of the other shoots.

The EM1 is not even that small (500 grams for the body as far as i recall) and compared to high end ASP-C DSLR it really lacks in the IQ department on all parameters (DR, ISO, Color depth) and it is only 12-bit raw compared to 14 bit raw on high end APS-C DLSRs.

I suggest taking a look on Flicker to see what people get out of their EM1 and compare that to what people get out of their N1 - there is not a huge difference and differences are mostly due to the skill of the photographer and the quality of the mounted lens.
 
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Take a look at the pictures from the latest Dpreview review of the EM10 which has the same sensor as the EM1 - the indoor sports arena shoot at ISO 500 is really disappointing and so are many of the other shoots.

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Which is wrong actually! The sensor im EM10 is the same used in EM5. The processor in EM10 is the same like EM1.

The EM1 processor is made by Panasonic and has PDAF as well.

Just to clarify that. ;)
 
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Take a look at the pictures from the latest Dpreview review of the EM10 which has the same sensor as the EM1 - the indoor sports arena shoot at ISO 500 is really disappointing and so are many of the other shoots.

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Which is wrong actually! The sensor im EM10 is the same used in EM5. The processor in EM10 is the same like EM1.

The EM1 processor is made by Panasonic and has PDAF as well.

Just to clarify that. ;)
Okay, thanks for clarifying that. I actually read that it was the same IQ as the EM1, not the same sensor, so sorry for that.
 
With that crappy kit lens?
:-D :-D :-D

What is that stuff you are smoking?

Are you sure we have the same kit lens? I mean, not the same individual, but the same focal length. The 10-30 is an excellent kit lens, at least my copy, and the one SLR gear tested is definitely excellent, especially compared with other manufacturers kit zooms.
"especially compared with other manufacturers kit zooms."

Yeah right the panasonic 14-42mm mk2 is great.......

The Fujfilm 18-55mm is better then ANY lens available for the Nikon system in terms of resolution.

The 10-30 is a decent kit lens compared to the 16-50mm Sony PZ. but that's about it.
 
With that crappy kit lens?
:-D :-D :-D

What is that stuff you are smoking?

Are you sure we have the same kit lens? I mean, not the same individual, but the same focal length. The 10-30 is an excellent kit lens, at least my copy, and the one SLR gear tested is definitely excellent, especially compared with other manufacturers kit zooms.
"especially compared with other manufacturers kit zooms."

Yeah right the panasonic 14-42mm mk2 is great.......

The Fujfilm 18-55mm is better then ANY lens available for the Nikon system in terms of resolution.

The 10-30 is a decent kit lens compared to the 16-50mm Sony PZ. but that's about it.
The 10-30 is an excellent kit lens compared to ANY kit zoom. At least if I look at the tests and not just listening to the forum 'experts'.
 
The EM1 is really not that good and in my opinion it is way overpriced for the IQ you get. In reality the IQ is not any better than what you get from the OMD as far as I can see.

The IQ may be better than what you get from an N1, but it is really not that much better if the N1 is mounted with one of the best lenses available (18,5mm and 32mm) or a FF lens with the FT1 adapter.

Take a look at the pictures from the latest Dpreview review of the EM10 which has the same sensor as the EM1 - the indoor sports arena shoot at ISO 500 is really disappointing and so are many of the other shoots.

The EM1 is not even that small (500 grams for the body as far as i recall) and compared to high end ASP-C DSLR it really lacks in the IQ department on all parameters (DR, ISO, Color depth) and it is only 12-bit raw compared to 14 bit raw on high end APS-C DLSRs.

I suggest taking a look on Flicker to see what people get out of their EM1 and compare that to what people get out of their N1 - there is not a huge difference and differences are mostly due to the skill of the photographer and the quality of the mounted lens.
EM1 is no slouch...EP5 either...or EM5...



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I will not only buy one but two no questions asked...
 
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