Samyang E-mount 12mm 2.0!

EinsteinsGhost · Mar 21, 2014

Astrophotographer 10 said:
I searched to find out as well. It appears its for APSc as the release mentioned Fuji X, Smasung NX and emount so I am assuming APSc as Sony FF is FE lens.

Greg.

I haven't figured out Samyang's naming convention yet but the lovely 8mm f/2.8 fisheye I have says UMC E (former for ultra multi coated) where I assumed "E" was indicating the same thing as on Sony lenses ("E" being used for Sony E-mount APSc lenses). Of course, until the launch of a7/7r, we didn't see FE designation.

Now I wonder if CS implies Crop Sensor and if that is the case, that would be Samyang's choice to differentiate between FF and any lens that is not FF.

Sigma uses DG for FF, DC for APSc and introduced DN for mirrorless (not differentiating various formats within, so far).

Tamron has used Di for FF, Di II for APSc and Di III for mirrorless bodies.

On E-mount, Sony is using FE for FF and E fir APSc

On A-mount, there is no designation for FF (being aouny which was all FF until digital) and DT identifies APSc lens.

Nikon uses FX (FF), DX (APSc) and CX (1-series)

Canon uses EF (FF), EF-S (APSc) and EF-M (Mirrorless).

This 12mm f/2 looks like an intriguing ultra wide option.

abortabort · Mar 21, 2014

Schwaeble said:
Habs Fan27 said:

Definitely very interesting. Could replace my SEL 16mm + ECU1. The size sounds about right. I'm glad they are releasing Crop sensor lenses as they are nice and small.

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And LIGHT.

And it has a distance scale and an infinity marking on it

(as I sometimes MF just by setting distance when I have trouble doing it otherwise I just don't like it that much that the AF lenses I have (e-mount) don't have a distance scale.

On newer E-Mounts they have electronic focus distance scales, so your lenses would have these on say an a6000. It is nice the Samyang has it, but their scales are notorious for being 'off'.

EinsteinsGhost · Mar 21, 2014

Schwaeble said:
Habs Fan27 said:

Definitely very interesting. Could replace my SEL 16mm + ECU1. The size sounds about right. I'm glad they are releasing Crop sensor lenses as they are nice and small.

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And LIGHT.

And it has a distance scale and an infinity marking on it

(as I sometimes MF just by setting distance when I have trouble doing it otherwise I just don't like it that much that the AF lenses I have (e-mount) don't have a distance scale.

Something to watch there would be whether infinity and distance scales are accurate. This was supposedly a common issue with early 8mm f/3.5 fisheye lenses for SLR mounts (a simple DIY fix was possible).

It was a worry of mine when I picked up 8mm f/2.8 E (and in this case a different DIY would have been needed since there was a change in design). Fortunately, my copy at least was fine out of the box.

viking79 · Mar 21, 2014

That is what I have been pushing for (okay, whining for), a native short flange wide angle large aperture lens. The 16mm f/2 is nice, but for SLR so very large, this thing is relatively small, takes filters, wider, and still f/2.

Eric

EinsteinsGhost · Mar 21, 2014

viking79 said:
That is what I have been pushing for (okay, whining for), a native short flange wide angle large aperture lens. The 16mm f/2 is nice, but for SLR so very large, this thing is relatively small, takes filters, wider, and still f/2.

Eric

I am impressed by the size. It is wider but for f/2, that is to be expected and it is manageable but quite short (barely longer than the E-mount fisheye).

But, something that has made me curious is how it would compare to slower but wider 10/2.8 which is also larger and more expensive. Speed vs ultimate IQ? I wonder how much better ED etc would be for 10/2.8. The little 8/2.8 was already quite impressive with resistance to CA, flare and glare also with "just" UMC as opposed to NCS in the 10 and 12.

MB17 · Mar 21, 2014

Wonder what's the difference between this 8mm fisheye to the previous 8mm fisheye (also 2.8): I shall be buying one of these next month...

geminihc · Mar 22, 2014

for those who happen to have the a7 or a7r and plan to get this lens, im interested to know how it will be like on fullframe mode. i know there is a 99.9% chance there will be some vignetting. but on the sel16+vclecu, it actually isnt that bad on the a7 on fullframe mode. it definately added more after cropping.

captura · Mar 22, 2014

jtr27 said:
"10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS will be released for sale at the end of March or in the first days of April 2014."

http://www.samyang-europe.com/index.php/new-products

Thanks again for the links.

January 23, 2014

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/samy...ilable-for-preorder-at-bhphoto-a-and-e-mount/

The new 10mm Samyang f/2.8 lens can be preorderd at BHphoto as A-mount lens (Click here) and as E-mount lens (Click here). Image samples and video samples can be seen at Samyang’s website (Click here

captura · Mar 22, 2014

captura said:
jtr27 said:

"10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS will be released for sale at the end of March or in the first days of April 2014."

http://www.samyang-europe.com/index.php/new-products

Thanks again for the links.

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January 23, 2014

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/samy...ilable-for-preorder-at-bhphoto-a-and-e-mount/

The new 10mm Samyang f/2.8 lens can be preorderd at BHphoto as A-mount lens (Click here) and as E-mount lens (Click here). Image samples and video samples can be seen at Samyang’s website (Click here

It's strange; I posted but someone else's post went up!

Steve

CM L · Mar 23, 2014

viking79 said:
That is what I have been pushing for (okay, whining for), a native short flange wide angle large aperture lens. The 16mm f/2 is nice, but for SLR so very large, this thing is relatively small, takes filters, wider, and still f/2.

Eric

I am also very interested in this lens! You think it'll outperform the 16mm+UWA-adapter? I reckon those two will be roughly the same price. I am not bothered by the lack of AF, and from what I've heard, the samyangs have been quite impressive so far?

MB17 · Mar 23, 2014

Checking the B&H "compare" function between the older 8mm 2.8 E-mount fisheye vs the new one, the biggest difference seems to be 1 more element on the new lens, thus the new one is heavier, longer (9mm longer, with the same diameter, if I understood correctly), and U$ 20 pricier.

I don't know if I can put the comparison link here as it is a merchant link...

Anyway, anyone has any idea which additional element this should be? And what are the consequences of it to the final photos and are they worth the above mentioned additions? I know final judgement needs real world photos, but theoretically.

Appreciate any help on this. Thanks

JurijTurnsek · Mar 23, 2014

MB17 said:
Checking the B&H "compare" function between the older 8mm 2.8 E-mount fisheye vs the new one, the biggest difference seems to be 1 more element on the new lens, thus the new one is heavier, longer (9mm longer, with the same diameter, if I understood correctly), and U$ 20 pricier.

I don't know if I can put the comparison link here as it is a merchant link...

Anyway, anyone has any idea which additional element this should be? And what are the consequences of it to the final photos and are they worth the above mentioned additions? I know final judgement needs real world photos, but theoretically.

Appreciate any help on this. Thanks

Wow, this is weird. The original 8 mm is perfect as is, so this additional element doesn't seem worth it in regards to the increased size, weight and price. Could the original lens become a small, yet legendary lens?

viking79 · Mar 23, 2014

EinsteinsGhost said:
EinsteinsGhost said:

That is what I have been pushing for (okay, whining for), a native short flange wide angle large aperture lens. The 16mm f/2 is nice, but for SLR so very large, this thing is relatively small, takes filters, wider, and still f/2.

Eric

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I am impressed by the size. It is wider but for f/2, that is to be expected and it is manageable but quite short (barely longer than the E-mount fisheye).

But, something that has made me curious is how it would compare to slower but wider 10/2.8 which is also larger and more expensive. Speed vs ultimate IQ? I wonder how much better ED etc would be for 10/2.8. The little 8/2.8 was already quite impressive with resistance to CA, flare and glare also with "just" UMC as opposed to NCS in the 10 and 12.

The 10mm f/2.8 is for SLR so it is larger and smaller aperture. Who knows about image quality yet, hard to say which will be better.

Anyway, the 12mm f/2 looks like it could be a good alternative to the Zeiss 12mm f/2.8 if it performs well.

Eric

viking79 · Mar 23, 2014

MB17 said:
Checking the B&H "compare" function between the older 8mm 2.8 E-mount fisheye vs the new one, the biggest difference seems to be 1 more element on the new lens, thus the new one is heavier, longer (9mm longer, with the same diameter, if I understood correctly), and U$ 20 pricier.

I don't know if I can put the comparison link here as it is a merchant link...

Anyway, anyone has any idea which additional element this should be? And what are the consequences of it to the final photos and are they worth the above mentioned additions? I know final judgement needs real world photos, but theoretically.

Appreciate any help on this. Thanks

The old 8mm f/2.8 E mount performed terribly on the Sony 24 MP sensor and Samsung 20 MP sensor, it had tons of color shift towards the corner making it nearly unusable (without corner fix/flat field, and with it was still difficult). It worked great on the Sony 16 MP sensor or Samsung 14.6 MP sensor.

All I hope is that the new one works better with the higher resolution sensors without the color shifting/purple corners.

Eric

MB17 · Mar 23, 2014

viking79 said:
MB17 said:

Checking the B&H "compare" function between the older 8mm 2.8 E-mount fisheye vs the new one, the biggest difference seems to be 1 more element on the new lens, thus the new one is heavier, longer (9mm longer, with the same diameter, if I understood correctly), and U$ 20 pricier.

I don't know if I can put the comparison link here as it is a merchant link...

Anyway, anyone has any idea which additional element this should be? And what are the consequences of it to the final photos and are they worth the above mentioned additions? I know final judgement needs real world photos, but theoretically.

Appreciate any help on this. Thanks

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The old 8mm f/2.8 E mount performed terribly on the Sony 24 MP sensor and Samsung 20 MP sensor, it had tons of color shift towards the corner making it nearly unusable (without corner fix/flat field, and with it was still difficult). It worked great on the Sony 16 MP sensor or Samsung 14.6 MP sensor.

All I hope is that the new one works better with the higher resolution sensors without the color fringing.

Eric

If it is for this, I'll probably stick with the older and smaller one as I plan to buy the Sony NEX 5T. Thanks.

JurijTurnsek · Apr 10, 2014

Did a little in-store test today: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurij-turnsek/sets/72157643760132705/

Download original files (JPEG+RAW): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B95j6xazxDz7eXFXZnhWYXNhTkk/edit?usp=sharing

jtr27 · Apr 10, 2014

Mine showed up today from Adorama! It was pretty late and already fairly dark when it finally arrived. Looking forward to getting out in better light and shooting it at smaller apertures.

abortabort · Apr 10, 2014

jtr27 said:
Mine showed up today from Adorama! It was pretty late and already fairly dark when it finally arrived. Looking forward to getting out in better light and shooting it at smaller apertures.

Looks very good! Is this wide open? A colour shot would be great, thanks for sharing!

Schwaeble · Apr 10, 2014

Great. Looking forward to read about your impressions after yous had a chance to take some daylight pictures.

jtr27 · Apr 11, 2014

Thank you for the kind comments. Here's one more from last night... minor Curves adjustment only.

I will try to get out for some color shooting this afternoon, if the Maine weather cooperates. =)

I also hope to take it hiking in NH tomorrow.

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