DCS Pro SLR/n/c 10th Anniversary - 'Your Best Image in a Decade' thread

AlexeyD said:

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AlexeyD said:

jhill said:

Lets see some images made with the kodak cameras if you have taken them.

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All you have to do is to scan this forum instead of complaining.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50906410

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52099732

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50195207

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50142175

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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/kodakslrc

DPR had a lukewarm review of the camera. Its low ISO is pretty good on standard then but with green-cast color. It's high ISO is not good and suffers from moiré. Canon 1Ds that released 2 years earlier has overall better IQ despite 2mp deficit. 1Ds II that released later in 2004 dwarfed DCS Pro SLR/n/c. History showed Kodak's effect to make F or EF mount compatible failed as it failed to deliver better bodies than Canon or Nikon.

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DPR is hardly a criteria for good colour fidelity in their reviews. For once they use LR/ACR and that is the last raw converter to be used if I want a good colour from any camera let alone colour. Regarding moire and others - you need to study the subject more rather then rely on reviews.

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He's never used the camera. I found moire rarely an inssue despite using the camera for weddings where one would expect it to show in fabrics. Using my old 50 f1.4D, I used the lens wide open and at low iso. The color and resolution was superb. The B&W conversions worked great as well. I ended up selling the outfit and continuing with the Canon 1Ds series for years. I didn't pull out my Nikkor glass again until the D700 came out.

With some skill and knowledge, the Kodak camera truly delivered great results. It is a shame they didn't continue development. i think they could have been a high quality niche player like Fuji has become.

Dave Luttmann said:

AlexeyD said:

qianp2k said:

AlexeyD said:

jhill said:

Lets see some images made with the kodak cameras if you have taken them.

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All you have to do is to scan this forum instead of complaining.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50906410

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52099732

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50195207

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50142175

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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/kodakslrc

DPR had a lukewarm review of the camera. Its low ISO is pretty good on standard then but with green-cast color. It's high ISO is not good and suffers from moiré. Canon 1Ds that released 2 years earlier has overall better IQ despite 2mp deficit. 1Ds II that released later in 2004 dwarfed DCS Pro SLR/n/c. History showed Kodak's effect to make F or EF mount compatible failed as it failed to deliver better bodies than Canon or Nikon.

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DPR is hardly a criteria for good colour fidelity in their reviews. For once they use LR/ACR and that is the last raw converter to be used if I want a good colour from any camera let alone colour. Regarding moire and others - you need to study the subject more rather then rely on reviews.

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He's never used the camera. I found moire rarely an inssue despite using the camera for weddings where one would expect it to show in fabrics. Using my old 50 f1.4D, I used the lens wide open and at low iso. The color and resolution was superb. The B&W conversions worked great as well. I ended up selling the outfit and continuing with the Canon 1Ds series for years. I didn't pull out my Nikkor glass again until the D700 came out.

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Sure but at least I never had bogus claims. Now are you claiming you also owned DCS Pro SLR after you fabricated your D800 ownership (merely for boasting it's much better than Canon DSLRs in Canon DPR forums on your agenda to bash Canon)? Do you have any photos can backup your claims? I guess not.

The Davinator said:

With some skill and knowledge, the Kodak camera truly delivered great results. It is a shame they didn't continue development. i think they could have been a high quality niche player like Fuji has become.

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Take it and move on. The fact is that it's a failed camera (not meant it cannot take good photos) and failed company. How many copies that camera ever sold and where is Kodak now? Even back to then time, Canon 1Ds and 1Ds II are better FF cameras and Canon released 5D, aka, 5Dc in 2005, just one year later to put down last nail into Kodak FF DSLR's coffin.

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Zone8 said:

Why not just stop now. People who make stupid - and clearly without experience - claims, yet are totally anonymous and never post photos, are not worth responding to in the real World. They talk rubbish. Would be a lot better if such people engaged their brains before their gobs. Always assuming (which is rather doubtful) that they have any grey stuff of course. In reality, if you were able to look through one ear of such idjits, you would clearly see out of the other side, totally unimpaired.

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Eloquently put as usual

Dave Luttmann said:

With some skill and knowledge, the Kodak camera truly delivered great results. It is a shame they didn't continue development. i think they could have been a high quality niche player like Fuji has become.

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I agree and have the same sentiments Dave. I use Kodaks mainly because of the colour and will keep poking around their firmware to see do what I can (in terms of enhancing or maintaining them - see my explorations in remap thread here).

AlexeyD said:

Dave Luttmann said:

With some skill and knowledge, the Kodak camera truly delivered great results. It is a shame they didn't continue development. i think they could have been a high quality niche player like Fuji has become.

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I agree and have the same sentiments Dave. I use Kodaks mainly because of the colour and will keep poking around their firmware to see do what I can (in terms of enhancing or maintaining them - see my explorations in remap thread here).

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I'll check those out. There is a Kodak SLR/N up for sale with just 11,000 clicks in a local used shop for just $400. I considered grabbing it for fun to use some of my old Nikkors. In natural light, it is and was a great camera.

The Davinator said:

I'll check those out. There is a Kodak SLR/N up for sale with just 11,000 clicks in a local used shop for just $400. I considered grabbing it for fun to use some of my old Nikkors. In natural light, it is and was a great camera.

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There is not much useful in terms of firmware changes yet - just sensor remap tools.

Better get back on your meds....you are starting to hallucinate.

Dave Luttmann said:

Better get back on your meds....you are starting to hallucinate.

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Are you talking yourself?

Here is a summary I gave you before and repeated here again.

• fabricate camera gear never own merely for boasting;
• fabricate vapor business, vapor busy schedules and vapor project;
• keep voting yourself with multiple acct;
• use another secrete acct to praise yourself;
• keep stalking and harassing some members but no interesting in any debate with substance;
• talk as an 'authority' but without any substance and photos can backup.

Whatever floats your boat Peter....

Dave Luttmann said:

Whatever floats your boat Peter....

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Dave, for what it worth, if I look at your gear section I see all SLR cameras with very good colour (D2X or Fuji is also the ones I would get should I ever abandon Kodak). And that is saying something positive to me at least (rather than someone's silly talks with no substance).

AlexeyD said:

Dave Luttmann said:

Whatever floats your boat Peter....

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Dave, for what it worth, if I look at your gear section I see all SLR cameras with very good colour (D2X or Fuji is also the ones I would get should I ever abandon Kodak). And that is saying something positive to me at least (rather than someone's silly talks with no substance).

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It's a joke if you believe this guy has 'substance'. Ask folks in Canon or Nikon forums you will get an idea how many members would agree that. This guy is a known Canon basher and spends or used to spend most times in Canon 1D/5D forum despite he actually never own any modern Canon FF cameras. Nobody cares him in Nikon forums as he actually never own D800 and his D700 has nothing can boast off during the frenzy time of D800 so he made Canon 5D/1D forum as his 'home' forum that is pretty funny. He jumped into most 5D related threads to bash the cameras who seem hated most on unknown reasons despite he never own any 5D series cameras. He fabricated he had owned a D800 more than 100 times in last two years among forums without a single photo to prove that but merely to boast how it's better than Canon cameras. The substance is something he lacks the most when people trying to debate with him. I have a long history to debate with that guy in last 4 years in topics of FF vs crop, Canon vs Nikon, 5D/5D2 vs 7D. Everytime when I or anybody else asked substances such as photos or creditable lab tests to backup his claims, he just simply walked away. You have no idea who is that guy but simply he 'praised' this camera you own that he actually never owned and experienced himself. Let me tell you something you and most would never could imagine. He used to be a forum’s moderator under Faintandfuzzy account many months ago that should not be allowed at the first place as he has a public regular account, DL. DPR should not allow members to own multiple accounts. One time in a thread that just for a survey which brand you prefer in the Open forum, instead of just making the selection, he (under DL acct) unnecessarily bashed Canon to justify why he ‘bought’ D800. I challenged him to post D800 photos as he must ‘claimed’ 100 times without a single proof, he was pi$$ off, then he used his hidden F&F mod account to cross forum to ban me permanently. Feel not enough he even sent me a PM to copy and paste the auto ban message (you can figure out his IQ). I appealed to DPR Admin and few hours later, Admin lifted my ban and fired F&F from Mod position in that foreign forum and probably also banned F&F acct permanently, also Admin banned DL acct for two weeks. This is the real person of DL, a retired amateur wedding photog, has not much things to do these days but only can spend time in DPR forums to boast on bogus, stirred fights, thumb-up his own posts from his other hidden accts for self-enjoyment.

DCS Pro SLR/n is certainly a choice for owners of Nikon FF lenses as its cheapest modern FF DSLRs, D700 is still relative expensive. But DCS Pro SLR/c doesn’t appeal much to Canon lens’ owners as they could get 5Dc around $500 that has a much better IQ.

Good luck in your future choice and enjoy photography.

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AlexeyD said:

Dave Luttmann said:

Whatever floats your boat Peter....

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Dave, for what it worth, if I look at your gear section I see all SLR cameras with very good colour (D2X or Fuji is also the ones I would get should I ever abandon Kodak). And that is saying something positive to me at least (rather than someone's silly talks with no substance).

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Like I said...he is good at playing the victim. He has been obsessed with me for years. It's rather funny. I'll post some shots if I decide to grab the Kodak at that cheap price.

His reply to you was a pretty good rant....LOL

Dave Luttmann said:

AlexeyD said:

Dave Luttmann said:

Whatever floats your boat Peter....

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Dave, for what it worth, if I look at your gear section I see all SLR cameras with very good colour (D2X or Fuji is also the ones I would get should I ever abandon Kodak). And that is saying something positive to me at least (rather than someone's silly talks with no substance).

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Like I said...he is good at playing the victim. He has been obsessed with me for years. It's rather funny. I'll post some shots if I decide to grab the Kodak at that cheap price.

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You're amazed and shamelessly in the tactic of The pot calling the kettle black. Everyone knows in Canon forums it's you DL or F&F used to be relentlessly keep stalking me and a few others and you're banned at least once exactly because you kept stalking me (remember in 7D forum). You are well known to have multiple acct and use them to backup each other then you have no shame to blame someone else to have multiple accts that is amazing, wow. It's you obsessed at me because I own gear you admired and I have photos you only can dream about. What you have except empty mouth to worth me to 'obsess' you, come'on, are you kidding me? You cannot deny what I said as they are fact that's what you did. In one period of time in many months I was wondering why some my posts mysteriously got deleted in that Canon forum and both other two mod told me that they didn't do. It's you to use your pubic DL acct to debate with me and others and used your hidden F&F mod acct then to punish others who disagreed with you, that something only you can do. Persons with such nasty natures should not be selected as moderators at the first place but I guess DPR desperately needs someone who have vast empty time for that volunteering work.

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lukaw said:

A half baked product that should have not been released. After experiencing the SLR/n, I vowed never again to buy anything from Kodak.

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I have used this camera along with 3 Nikon models and I still appreciate it's beautiful rendering of portraits, copy work and industrial work outdoors . Some of the most striking large (20"-30" and larger) images I have are from the much maligned Kodak. I will miss it when it gives up the ghost.

jhill said:

Isn't the point of this thread to post good images taken with the Kodak Cameras? There are plenty of threads for debate, bitching and bashing... Lets see some images made with the kodak cameras if you have taken them.

John

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Kodak slr/n

Shot with the 'Lowly' 24-120 VR 3.5-5.6.

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Peter Damroth said:

jhill said:

Isn't the point of this thread to post good images taken with the Kodak Cameras? There are plenty of threads for debate, bitching and bashing... Lets see some images made with the kodak cameras if you have taken them.

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Kodak slr/n

Shot with the 'Lowly' 24-120 VR 3.5-5.6.

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Not bad at all except obvious purple fringe. But honestly today's APS-C or mFT or even 1" based RX100 or Nikon One could match such as the ones taken from small EOS-M.

I have similar opinion on my old 12.8mp 5D or called by many as 5Dc. It still generates very nice photos and has stellar skin tone if you don't print very big and at below ISO 1600 (still pretty good actually at ISO 1600). But I have to say my 5D2 and 5D3 are much better in every aspect, no mention my new 36mp A7R toy.

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qianp2k said:

Not bad at all except obvious purple fringe. But honestly today's APS-C or mFT or even 1" based RX100 or Nikon One could match such as the ones taken from small EOS-M.

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Lets see then some real examples matching sharpness and the colour - those from EOS-M you pointed at are not even close.

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Kodak slr/n
Shot with the 'Lowly' 24-120 VR 3.5-5.6.

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Peter, despite a light colour cast, this was one of the images that made me lust after Kodak SLR since quite a while back

qianp2k said:

Peter Damroth said:

jhill said:

Isn't the point of this thread to post good images taken with the Kodak Cameras? There are plenty of threads for debate, bitching and bashing... Lets see some images made with the kodak cameras if you have taken them.

John

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Kodak slr/n

Shot with the 'Lowly' 24-120 VR 3.5-5.6.

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Not bad at all except obvious purple fringe. But honestly today's APS-C or mFT or even 1" based RX100 or Nikon One could match such as the ones taken from small EOS-M.

I have similar opinion on my old 12.8mp 5D or called by many as 5Dc. It still generates very nice photos and has stellar skin tone if you don't print very big and at below ISO 1600 (still pretty good actually at ISO 1600). But I have to say my 5D2 and 5D3 are much better in every aspect, no mention my new 36mp A7R toy.

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The color fringing is from the 24-120 ....if it wasn't a quick shot I would have set it up with the Nikon 28mm.

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AlexeyD said:

qianp2k said:

Not bad at all except obvious purple fringe. But honestly today's APS-C or mFT or even 1" based RX100 or Nikon One could match such as the ones taken from small EOS-M.

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Lets see then some real examples matching sharpness and the colour - those from EOS-M you pointed at are not even close.

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I guess sharpness can match as EF-M 22/2.0 pancake on M has amazing 13 mpix on DXO test. While 12mp DCS Pro SLR will cap at 12 mpix.

But I'd agree with you in general that FF has better colors than crop in general, and some old sensors (CMOS/CCD) have some unique colors that sometime I can see in my 5D files, so-called 'creamy' color rendition (also from my old 1.3x crop 10mp 1D3 that is even more obvious) under certain light conditions, guess from lower pixel density and less aggressive processor arguably.

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