sony a7 vs a6000 vs fuji x-t1

It all depends on what will you use it for. a6000 is comaparable to the a77 you had before with a big lens selection unlike the a7 that is a small FF camera with big lenses. Fuji T1 is a nice looking camera with good lenses but the lens list is not extensive. To go for a smaller package you might also consider the olympus em1 that has superb lenses in a very small package. Having all possible formats and gear I travel light and the olympus is my best travel camera. For a casual photographer a 6000 will be all you need.

Don't know enough about what you like to photograph but from a financial perspective, can't you get an A6000 and the Zeiss 16-70 both for the price of the A7 body only?

Cheers.

thesutex said:

Hi, i recently sold all my gear. I have been using Sony through A100,A200,A700 to A77, but lately time constraints have limited my time, and I found myself wanting gear with a smaller footprint. I am a casual shooter, but consider myself an "prosumer" hobby photographer. Lens wise I have nothing left.

Now after reading the forums up and down, reviews here and there I am lost. I know there must be 100 threads on this but Ill have a go anyway:

A7: FF seems like the future of these cameras, but is the A7 mature enough as a first gen camera?

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DPR gave it a good review, IQ when shooting RAW (which I'd bet will be most of the people who use this camera) is very good, Video Quality is great, ergonomics are nice, AF could be faster, but it's a far cry from a Canon EOS-M.

thesutex said:

Kit lens get bad reviews as well.

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Do you mean this one:


it got 4 out of 5 stars, not bad for a kit lens. Center is sharp, edges could be better, (I could say that same phrase on many FF zooms, FYI)

thesutex said:

A6000: A nex 6/7 hybrid? Will sony "abandon" pac now and focus on FF since camera sales are way down, and people shoot with their cells..

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No. That would be as silly as Toyota ceasing production on Corollas just to make more Avalons.

thesutex said:

Fuji X-t1: Gets allot of praise, but will they too eventually go FF and "force" new glass investments etc. And I read allot of bad stuff of the x-trans sensor, might be trolling?

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FF still means bigger, more expensive. Yes FF might be cheaper in a few years, but APS-C will keep getting cheaper too. What won't get cheaper are the cost for the lenses for each. Right now in FF (Sony) you've got a great 24-70/4 but it's $200 more than the APS-C 16-70/4 that offers more range, is 1/3rd the weight, and only 2/3rds the size (volume). Just say'n.

thesutex said:

Please, no fanboy / trolling.. Lens wise, Allround with either a zoom lens (something zeiss maybe?)or a 35mmFF/24mmAPC .. if already answered in another thread feel free to point me in the right direction =) tnx.

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I haven't seen a review of the 24mp sensor in the A6000 yet (please tell me if there is). I am waiting for dpreview to update their new studio shot comparison tool with the A6000. There you can see the differences of the sensor in jpeg and raw. For me the best and easiest tool to compare camera's.

Where the A6000 will be better than the A7 is the AF. The A7 Af looks ok but the A6000 seems very quick and with a big buffer.

The A7 will probably have better image quality, at low and high iso.

The Fuji is doing amazingly well at high ISO, but the images look a little soft to me, low and high ISO.

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thesutex said:

Hi, i recently sold all my gear. I have been using Sony through A100,A200,A700 to A77, but lately time constraints have limited my time, and I found myself wanting gear with a smaller footprint. I am a casual shooter, but consider myself an "prosumer" hobby photographer. Lens wise I have nothing left.

Now after reading the forums up and down, reviews here and there I am lost. I know there must be 100 threads on this but Ill have a go anyway:

A7: FF seems like the future of these cameras, but is the A7 mature enough as a first gen camera? Kit lens get bad reviews as well.

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Sony bashers will never stop bashing kit lenses and all other camera/lens shortcomings. As kit lenses go, the Sony kit lenses are not bad at all. But they are still zoom lenses, and there are better zooms, and better primes out there - but they'll both cost more too.

Mirrorless FF is on a high note today with Sony A7/r, which excites lots of people, especially those with legacy glass or FF experience. Newbees are either quiet, or keep comparing with smaller formats, expecting perfection, no matter what.

Fact is, FF is a richer format, with more possibilities than smaller formats, but it comes with drawbacks. I think that it will co-exist, not replace other formats.

thesutex said:

A6000: A nex 6/7 hybrid? Will sony "abandon" APS-C now and focus on FF since camera sales are way down, and people shoot with their cells..

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P&S sales are way down, as a response to more mature cell phone cameras. Still, they don't come close to APS-C quality, and there is a lot of life left in the APS-C products.

The A6000/Nex-6 with the E1650 is really a small camera. (The Nex-5N with E20 pancake lens is even smaller). But it requires a carry bag of sorts, as it won't fit in your pocket.

The A6000 seems to have overcome all the negatives (slow to AF, poor high ISO for higher pixel density, slow EVF, weak apps) and perhaps may not exactly trump the Nex-7 for IQ, it surely will be the APS-C camera to beat, if nothing for the combination of features versus pricing alone.

I expect that the A6000 will be, like the Nex-7, straining some of the lens selection, but that only matters if you want ultimate IQ. Such lenses work fine on the 16Mp sensor, so they will still work fine on the 24Mp sensor. They may just not 'shine' alike the 24Mp optimized lenses.

Examples: E1018, E18200, E20 versus E1670Z, E24Z, E35, E50. The latter ones will do best.

thesutex said:

Fuji X-t1: Gets allot of praise, but will they too eventually go FF and "force" new glass investments etc. And I read allot of bad stuff of the x-trans sensor, might be trolling?

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Fuji has been 'one-up' to Sony, in terms of lens (speed), IQ, processing (power), and camera (size/features). In doing so they have created a niche of very dedicated followers.

Technically, their AA-less X-trans sensor does outperform the 16Mp APS-C sensors, but trails the 24Mp APS-C sensors - both with (weak) AA filters. It is good enough for some, great for others.

Fuji puts more controls in the cameras, given pro and semi-pro a better UI (dedicated buttons). With the new menus, the A6000 will be as accessible, I don't see a big difference, other than some dedicated buttons that may persuade one or the other.

For JPG shooters, the Fuji may even be preferred (we'll have to wait for the A6000 JPG outputs), but most RAW converters can now handle the x-trans sensor - however, since it is irregular, it is not clear whether these converters are properly tuned (they are based on a regular pattern).

thesutex said:

Please, no fanboy / trolling.. Lens wise, Allround with either a zoom lens (something zeiss maybe?)or a 35mmFF/24mmAPC .. if already answered in another thread feel free to point me in the right direction =) tnx.

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An A6000 with the 1650 kit lens and the E35/1.8 OSS lens is a great travel setup. You'd need little else for starters...

thesutex said:

• thesutex wrote:

Hi, i recently sold all my gear. I have been using Sony through A100,A200,A700 to A77, but lately time constraints have limited my time, and I found myself wanting gear with a smaller footprint. I am a casual shooter, but consider myself an "prosumer" hobby photographer. Lens wise I have nothing left.

Now after reading the forums up and down, reviews here and there I am lost. I know there must be 100 threads on this but Ill have a go anyway:

A7: FF seems like the future of these cameras, but is the A7 mature enough as a first gen camera? Kit lens get bad reviews as well.

A6000: A nex 6/7 hybrid? Will sony "abandon" pac now and focus on FF since camera sales are way down, and people shoot with their cells..

Fuji X-t1: Gets allot of praise, but will they too eventually go FF and "force" new glass investments etc. And I read allot of bad stuff of the x-trans sensor, might be trolling?

Please, no fanboy / trolling.. Lens wise, Allround with either a zoom lens (something zeiss maybe?)or a 35mmFF/24mmAPC .. if already answered in another thread feel free to point me in the right direction =) tnx.

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I would recommend the a6000 with FE35f2.8. This is a very small package and if you decide to go FF you will already have a lens. If you want to spend less and go even smaller than get the 20mm f2.8.

Fuji is nice but expensive. You can pick up used a7 for $1300 so might as well go FF.

thanx for the tips all! i think its down to either the a6000 and the 16-70zeiss, or the A7 with the 35mm zeiss prime. For me as a amateur I cant wrap my mind around the difference between a 35mm lens on apc vs ff I do most landscape and photographing my son, so 35 mm FF should be ok for that i think.

just to add, here in SE, these are the same price virtually:

Fujifilm X-T1 + 18-55/2,8-4,0 OIS

Sony Alpha A7 + 28-70/3,5-5,6 OSS (with the A7 + 35z 300€ more)

the a6000 with the Cz16-70 is actually more expensive than both kits above.

thesutex said:

Hi, i recently sold all my gear. I have been using Sony through A100,A200,A700 to A77, but lately time constraints have limited my time, and I found myself wanting gear with a smaller footprint. I am a casual shooter, but consider myself an "prosumer" hobby photographer. Lens wise I have nothing left.

Now after reading the forums up and down, reviews here and there I am lost. I know there must be 100 threads on this but Ill have a go anyway:

A7: FF seems like the future of these cameras, but is the A7 mature enough as a first gen camera? Kit lens get bad reviews as well.

A6000: A nex 6/7 hybrid? Will sony "abandon" pac now and focus on FF since camera sales are way down, and people shoot with their cells..

Fuji X-t1: Gets allot of praise, but will they too eventually go FF and "force" new glass investments etc. And I read allot of bad stuff of the x-trans sensor, might be trolling?

Please, no fanboy / trolling.. Lens wise, Allround with either a zoom lens (something zeiss maybe?)or a 35mmFF/24mmAPC .. if already answered in another thread feel free to point me in the right direction =) tnx.

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simply because I have the fantastic Zeiss 16-70/4. If I were starting out, the A7 is ok too but I find the Zeiss 24-70/4 a tad short as I prefer a 24-105 for full frame. I need the long end for heads/shoulders portrait shots. The Fuji I will consider because I think they have some fast (f/1.2-f1/4) lenses but admittedly don't know too much about that system. You're better off checking out the Fuji forum.

I have the Sony NEX-6 right now but I've already pre-ordered the A6000 mainly because of the new AF system. I will keep the 6 but the A6000 apparently addresses the NEX-6 weakness which is tracking the subject coming straight at me.

Good luck in whatever decision you make.

Cheers,

José

If I were starting completely from scratch and wanted a reasonably compact, dedicated system, I'd be giving that X-T1 a very close look. (The fact that they might eventually branch into full-frame would not deter me at all, since the existing system is already rather nicely filled-out and unlikely to get abandoned.)

But I'm kind of attached to my collection of vintage full-frame lenses, so that puts me in an entirely different boat.

I replied on the other thread - will give a condensed version. Have shot A7, A7r, RX1r, and XT1 back to back. The Sony files win on resolution dynamic range, and raw support from LR/Aperture. No hiding from physics. Fuji is more of a "don't have to think" solution when set to full auto (Sony has some quirks), though the manual dials kind of beg you to be involved. I don't like that interface but that is a personal bias - others (especially those coming from film cameras) tend to love it. There are more native lenses for Fuji, but the native ones for the A7(r) are very good - especially the primes. Each system has strengths and weaknesses, just depends on what you want/need and what/how/why you shoot.

The a7 is a superb camera and beats the a99 on almost every respect. It is leagues above anything in the aps-c market and it has available perhaps the finest lens ever made, the 55 1.8. That camera/lens combo alone is enough to take award winning photos.

Buy the biggest kit combo you can find, sell all the other junk in the kit on ebay. Keep the camera, order a couple batteries and a charger. Then use the revenue back + a bout 500$ more to buy the 55 f1.8. Unless you want a more generic solution like the kit lens.

But the combo of this camera with that lens is one of the most optically perfect combinations in existence right now. Its not mature but sony has built cameras for decades and it is the best camera / lens I have ever used (shot d800, 5dmarkIII, a99, no experience with medium format or film)

Starting over gives you s good position, as you don't carry your history with you.

FirstI want to aay that there is no reason to think that Sony or Fuji will abandon APS sensored cameras in the near future. Yes they will both be making FF cameras beside the APS range.

Then what camera is best for you?

All cameras are great and will deliver exelent pictures, but all at a price... The A7 is large, is expensive but has a great sensor, WA lenses wil be real WA, but you will miss a little in tele. from all 3 systems, this one is the newest, and it has very few lenses that will AF and use the full sensor, without adapter.

The A6000 is the cheapest, body only it will cost about half the price as the other two cameras, it is also the smallest and it is just 344 grams, compared to 474 grams for the A7 and 440 grams for the Fuji. It has Fast AF and cheaper lenses then the Fuji or the A7

I find the fuji to expensive and to large

for an APS camera. It has a lot of dedicated dials an an excelent sensor and fast AF.

The A7 is well priced for an FF camera, but itis not realy cheap and the same goes for the lenses, but it is a nice camera, with an exelent sensor, but the AF is not as fast as the A6000 or the Fuji.

On paper the IQ of the A7 is the best, then the A6000 and Fuji will be to close to tell, both with their good and bad things...Question will be how much the IQ will be different between these cameras and their lenses. Will you realy see the difference in rsal life pictures? Or will you only see the difference between the cameras when pixelpeeping! And then the question: are you willing to pay the extra money for the small IQ you gain with the more expensive cameras? That question only you can answer.

For me the A6000 with the kit lens and the SEL 50mm f/1.8 lens is good enough, but maybe you see it different....

Edit: Then there is the very personal part of ergonomics: ony you can tell if a camera feels good in your hands, if you like the UI of the camera, if it is not to large or heavy for you etc.

And there is the part of your skills. A good photographer will take better puctures with a good smart phone then a bad photographer xan with a new mid frame Hasselblad...

An interesting choice. I think really though its moer A7 versus XT1. A6000 will be a wonderful camera but it does not stack up against XT1 in almost any way. XT1 has a lot of external knobs and dials, more than any other camera I have had.

Its full magnesium alloy body. All dials are machined aluminium. Huge very clear LCD, huge veyr clear best in the business EVF. Its a very refined machine building from several generations of X cameras.

Also arguably Fuji offers a fantastic range of high quality lenses that Sony simply do not have.

A7 is of course full frame and has a lot to offer. I would not be surprised if the firmware upgrade gives the A7 the A6000 super fast AF system. I am sure that is in response to the XT1 being so popular and having such a good AF system now.

I posted some comparison images between XT1 and A7r (I know you said A7) on the Fuji X forum. Have a look at those. XT1 is a very impressive camera and you will get the shot very very often.

A7r gives more pop and 3D look in some scenes. Not sure about A7 versus A7r image quality. I would expect a lot from A7.

Both cameras have minor issues but no deal breakers. Both excellent cameras.

A6000 is extremely competitive price-wise. It seems underpriced for what it is (don't tell Sony!).

Greg.

thesutex said:

thanx for the tips all! i think its down to either the a6000 and the 16-70zeiss, or the A7 with the 35mm zeiss prime. For me as a amateur I cant wrap my mind around the difference between a 35mm lens on apc vs ff I do most landscape and photographing my son, so 35 mm FF should be ok for that i think.

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Frankly, you speak with nothing but hearsay, and would be a whole lot smarter if you simply walked into a photo store with an SD card, put it in the cameras with their kit lenses, and then took the card home and looked at the images. If you were really perceptive, you'd see what a terrific kit zoom is on the A7. You'd see the advantages of the FF over the Fuji APS-C, no matter what the lens.

This forum is full of people who know what they're talking about, but more full of people who know very little. They slam cameras and lenses they've never used, prattle off hearsay.

I just spent the day shooting a 65th birthday party - indoor archery, a dimly lit bowling alley, and a home buffet - ISO 400 to 2000. I was able to use the kit zoom at the archery range, but in the bowling alley, I needed the 35mm f1.4 Summilux at f2 and 1/30th, ISO 1600-2000. Yes, my Leica M mount lenses were quite a bit better than the kit zoom - but hey, the Leica M mounts would cost about $4000 to replace, and they did edge out the kit zoom only in A-B comparisons.

If you can't wrap your head around the difference between an 35mm lens on an APS-C vs. FF, the A7 and kit lens would be overkill. The A6000 and kit lens sound like a perfect match for you. When you can wrap your head around the difference between an APS-C and FF, go A7.

thesutex said:

Hi, i recently sold all my gear. I have been using Sony through A100,A200,A700 to A77, but lately time constraints have limited my time, and I found myself wanting gear with a smaller footprint. I am a casual shooter, but consider myself an "prosumer" hobby photographer. Lens wise I have nothing left.

Now after reading the forums up and down, reviews here and there I am lost. I know there must be 100 threads on this but Ill have a go anyway:

A7: FF seems like the future of these cameras, but is the A7 mature enough as a first gen camera? Kit lens get bad reviews as well.

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Superb camera. If you want the image quality, this is it of the three.

thesutex said:

A6000: A nex 6/7 hybrid? Will sony "abandon" pac now and focus on FF since camera sales are way down, and people shoot with their cells..

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Sony will have an APS-C for a long time. This may be their flagship E mount APS camera. But this is a very different class of camera. If you're a prosumer, this isn't a bad idea at all. I think it will be a thrill for many.

thesutex said:

Fuji X-t1: Gets allot of praise, but will they too eventually go FF and "force" new glass investments etc. And I read allot of bad stuff of the x-trans sensor, might be trolling?

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Not the image quality of the A7, but a great camera. It's a very mature X series camera with amazing features and Fuji glass is superb. But for me, the smaller sensor isn't winning - it's asking me to carry the same weight for less image resolution. I was enamored with the X-Pro1 for it's features and function as well as the retro rangefinder feel. The XT1 just takes me away from what I had started like about Fuji.

stevo23 said:

thesutex said:

Hi, i recently sold all my gear. I have been using Sony through A100,A200,A700 to A77, but lately time constraints have limited my time, and I found myself wanting gear with a smaller footprint. I am a casual shooter, but consider myself an "prosumer" hobby photographer. Lens wise I have nothing left.

Now after reading the forums up and down, reviews here and there I am lost. I know there must be 100 threads on this but Ill have a go anyway:

A7: FF seems like the future of these cameras, but is the A7 mature enough as a first gen camera? Kit lens get bad reviews as well.

Click to expand...

Superb camera. If you want the image quality, this is it of the three.

stevo23 said:

A6000: A nex 6/7 hybrid? Will sony "abandon" pac now and focus on FF since camera sales are way down, and people shoot with their cells..

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Sony will have an APS-C for a long time. This may be their flagship E mount APS camera. But this is a very different class of camera. If you're a prosumer, this isn't a bad idea at all. I think it will be a thrill for many.

stevo23 said:

Fuji X-t1: Gets allot of praise, but will they too eventually go FF and "force" new glass investments etc. And I read allot of bad stuff of the x-trans sensor, might be trolling?

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Not the image quality of the A7, but a great camera. It's a very mature X series camera with amazing features and Fuji glass is superb. But for me, the smaller sensor isn't winning - it's asking me to carry the same weight for less image resolution. I was enamored with the X-Pro1 for it's features and function as well as the retro rangefinder feel. The XT1 just takes me away from what I had started like about Fuji.

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I don't particularly care about any of the Olympus or Fuji lenses that require extensive software correction to avoid the fairground hall of mirrors effect. It makes you dependent on either the manufacturers software or that third party raw software will support that particular lens and camera combination.

I also haven't seem a sensor road map from either Fuji or Olympus to ensure that they remain in the race for the future. Sure the Fuji 16 MP sensor may be superior to the Sony 16 MP sensor but how does it rate against the newer 20 MP or the 24 MP sensor released with the A6000 ?

and I would, but not everybody lives in a place where you can walk to a store and try all cameras available. I live in a fairly large european city, stockholm, but i can't find these cameras in any store I have visited. They are all full of NEX3/5 and Canon M/Nikon 1 - as that is what the masses buys. people tend to buy online here.

And to the difference between apc/ff , having never tried ff...

Takes a lot of guts to sell all your gear. I started heavily into digital with Canon, then Sony, then Fuji. I still have all three cameras. I'm slow to make up my mind.