Monitor advise needed

I got a dell last year after deciding I didn't need a top of the range monitor - it was returned within a week due to pink and green tints due to poor manufacture quality and you could not use uniformity compensation in any calibrated modes. In the end I went for a 22inch Eizo - it may not be the biggest monitor but I think the quality is far superior to the dell. It also takes 8 minutes for the screen to warm up rather than the normal half hour or so.

You can't judge a whole brand, just because you got one defective or low quality monitor.

katterina said:

I got a dell last year after deciding I didn't need a top of the range monitor - it was returned within a week due to pink and green tints due to poor manufacture quality and you could not use uniformity compensation in any calibrated modes.

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Hmm so weird. I guess it is true then that on the previous Dells that had internal calibration that you couldn't use uniformity compensation with modes that you calibrated yourself.

On the new UP2414Q you can use uniformity compensation with CAL1 and CAL2. Oddly, it seems to NOT use it with the factory pre-calibrated modes though (even though the paper that came with it showed it was pre-cal to 0-1% deviation). But for some reason it seems like they forget to turn it on and it's locked OFF for the pre-calibrated modes. But for calibrated modes, it lets you use your probe to program the uniformity compensator.

I realllly wish they let you save a calibration to file and load from file into CAL1 or CAL2 though as two slots is not nearly a enough, anything less than 4, at the worst minimum, is a real pain to be honest.

It really is a super awesome monitor otherwise though, best I've ever used overall (although the NEC PA series I'm about to sell does have a slightly better and fancier color engine, but in my mind UHD is a bigger plus than that, for a non-UHD monitor the NEC PA are a bit better overall though I'd say and I am glad I got the NEC PA241W when I did, a good copy of a Dell isn't bad though).

I'm have not said Dell is overall bad just my experience of their monitors. There are alot of happy purchasers - there are also a lot of people who received faulty monitors and had to swap them 2 or 3 times to get a decent one (possibly just the model I was looking at).

The first Eizo I received had a defective pixel in the middle - it was swapped for another.

I did however do a lot of homework into Dell's monitors when I had my problem and found (and again it may just be the model I was going for which was all the rage at the time) suffered from these faults on a big scale as they used the IPS panels that the more "expensive" companies didn't want. Combined with the fact that there was no uniformity compensation in calibrated modes (and I could definitely see the difference), I decided to pay a little more and look at the NEC and EIZO models for piece of mind and a 5 year warranty as it has to last me a long time. I have not regretted my decision.

You do realize that LG makes most of the panels used by all companies. They mainly just put their name on them.

Yes I do realise that. I am only trying to tell the OP my experience. From this forum last year someone mentioned that those screens that eizo and nec etc didn't deem good enough quality were bought by others like dell which is why they were having quality issues.

If that doesn't apply to the one the OP is looking at that's great and I'm sure which ever monitor they choose will be the right one for them, as mine was for me.

Update:

Just ordered a Dell U2713H online from Dell Australia.

They have it on special at Au$764 until 20th March in case any Ausie members are interested. normally, the list price is just over Au$1000.

Regards, Vlad

Vlad from Melbourne said:

Update:

Just ordered a Dell U2713H online from Dell Australia.

They have it on special at Au$764 until 20th March in case any Ausie members are interested. normally, the list price is just over Au$1000.

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Was it the U2713H or U2713HM? The H is 100% Adobe RGB and the HM is 99% sRGB. For most the HM would be all that is necessary, and is less expensive. Both should be good monitors for the intended purpose they are designed to meet.

It is an H model which is 100% Adobe RGB. While this model is on special it is actually a bit cheaper than the HM. Should receive sometime this week, and will post the experience.

Dell U2713H update:

The monitor finally arrived some 2 weeks after placing an order. There must have been a backlog of orders for Dell Australia since they had it on special (actually cheaper than the lesser HM model).

So far, I am very impressed. Compared to my old Samsung, it is in another league. For now, I have set it up at a default aRGB factory setting (had to lower the brightness significantly to level 5, and contrast slightly to level45). I can see details in dark shadow areas that I never thought would be visible - this is where wide gamut shines. This is all without using hardware calibration tools (which I do not have currently, but will eventually get).

I would be interested to find out the experience of other users of this monitor, and see what calibration method / figures they ended up with.

Cheers,

Vlad

Vlad from Melbourne said:

So far, I am very impressed. Compared to my old Samsung, it is in another league. For now, I have set it up at a default aRGB factory setting (had to lower the brightness significantly to level 5,

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5% is quite low but if you edit in the pitch dark it might be the right level. If the Contrast Stability chart at TFT Central is correct you may have about 70 to 80 cd/m2 of white luminence

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm

If you are editing in the evening with a single 800 lumen bulb lighting your home office area or bedroom, then you probably should have 100 to 120 cd/m2 to match the ambient brightness of the room. This would correspond to roughly 15% on the Brightness control.

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Vlad from Melbourne said:

and contrast slightly to level 45.

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I had to check the review as I had thought this low but I see that 50% is the standard with the U2713H where 80% had been the norm with a a number of past Dell monitors.

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Vlad from Melbourne said:

I can see details in dark shadow areas that I never thought would be visible - this is where wide gamut shines. This is all without using hardware calibration tools (which I do not have currently, but will eventually get).

I would be interested to find out the experience of other users of this monitor, and see what calibration method / figures they ended up with.

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You can try using the ICC profile from the TFT Central database.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm#the_database

Use the settings found under "Testing Methodology" in their review.

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Thanks for the info NewsyL

Will have a good look at TFT central: a lot of good information there.

Cheers, Vlad

NewsyL said:

Vlad from Melbourne said:

So far, I am very impressed. Compared to my old Samsung, it is in another league. For now, I have set it up at a default aRGB factory setting (had to lower the brightness significantly to level 5,

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5% is quite low but if you edit in the pitch dark it might be the right level. If the Contrast Stability chart at TFT Central is correct you may have about 70 to 80 cd/m2 of white luminence

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm

If you are editing in the evening with a single 800 lumen bulb lighting your home office area or bedroom, then you probably should have 100 to 120 cd/m2 to match the ambient brightness of the room. This would correspond to roughly 15% on the Brightness control.

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I think around level 9 or so seems to be roughly 80cd/m^2 on my 2414Q (which I believe uses the same basic internal guts as the 2713H, other than being 24" and UHD). and level 20 is around 120 cd/m^2 and 15% about 100.

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and contrast slightly to level 45.

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I had to check the review as I had thought this low but I see that 50% is the standard with the U2713H where 80% had been the norm with a a number of past Dell monitors.

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On my UP2414Q I notice the pre-calibrated modes seem to chose either 49 or 50 contrast as being ideal.

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Member said:

I can see details in dark shadow areas that I never thought would be visible - this is where wide gamut shines. This is all without using hardware calibration tools (which I do not have currently, but will eventually get).

I would be interested to find out the experience of other users of this monitor, and see what calibration method / figures they ended up with.

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You can try using the ICC profile from the TFT Central database.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm#the_database

Use the settings found under "Testing Methodology" in their review.

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Vlad from Melbourne said:

Dell U2713H update:

The monitor finally arrived some 2 weeks after placing an order. There must have been a backlog of orders for Dell Australia since they had it on special (actually cheaper than the lesser HM model).

So far, I am very impressed. Compared to my old Samsung, it is in another league. For now, I have set it up at a default aRGB factory setting (had to lower the brightness significantly to level 5, and contrast slightly to level45). I can see details in dark shadow areas that I never thought would be visible - this is where wide gamut shines. This is all without using hardware calibration tools (which I do not have currently, but will eventually get).

I would be interested to find out the experience of other users of this monitor, and see what calibration method / figures they ended up with.

Cheers,

Vlad

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Yeah until you get a calibration probe use the aRGB setting for wide gamut since then you can use a monitor profile of AdobeRGB and it will be ballpark. Once you get a probe it's better to use native gamut though as AdobeRGB actually clips off a lot of the intense reds and purples and even some of the blue-greens that it is actually capable of showing.

The details in the dark shadows actually isn't a wide gamut vs regular gamut (which would be details in intensely saturated areas like rose petals and brilliant fall leaves and so on) but just a more vs a less flexible monitor thing. My old samsung 244T only had a few gamma choices and all of them crushed a lot of dark details and none of them were particularly close to any typical tone response standards.