Muck Point Instead Of Black Point On My Display

Cross posting this from an earlier post today hoping that one of you has come across this phenomenon.


It seems obvious now but had never thought to question the 'blackness' of my monitor (IBM/Trinitron P260) when calibrating with Adobe Gamma.

Upon coming across a calibration suggestion today that states to compare you monitor 'black' with the un-scanned edge of your screen as a black point reference I shrunk my desktop to reveal the un-scanned edge to compare. WOW!!!! To my surprise I find that not only don’t I have true black on my display but what I thought was black is in fact a milky slightly green shade of I muck!!!

I have spent hours tweaking every thing I can including the obvious display brightness/contrast controls, video card settings, window display settings etc… nothing comes even close to displaying ‘black’!!

Is my monitor shot….or am I overlooking something??

Regards,

Jay

Jay,

I gave you a suggestion in your other post. Try Adobe Gamma to calibrate your monitor as you have PS7. You will find it in the control panel, a blue monitor. For best results, do it in the dark - something like growing mushrooms.

Jim

Jay Lee said:

Cross posting this from an earlier post today hoping that one of
you has come across this phenomenon.


It seems obvious now but had never thought to question the
'blackness' of my monitor (IBM/Trinitron P260) when calibrating
with Adobe Gamma.

Upon coming across a calibration suggestion today that states to
compare you monitor 'black' with the un-scanned edge of your screen
as a black point reference I shrunk my desktop to reveal the
un-scanned edge to compare. WOW!!!! To my surprise I find that not
only don’t I have true black on my display but what I thought was
black is in fact a milky slightly green shade of I muck!!!

I have spent hours tweaking every thing I can including the obvious
display brightness/contrast controls, video card settings, window
display settings etc… nothing comes even close to displaying
‘black’!!

Is my monitor shot….or am I overlooking something??

Regards,

Jay

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Photography should be fun

http://www.pbase.com/jcollins

gray scale on his review of camera's to check you calibration. You can also us this web page. The froum area should be gray, the ouline should be black-- it the two looks the same---- you gotta a problem.

Jim_Collins said:

I gave you a suggestion in your other post. Try Adobe Gamma to
calibrate your monitor as you have PS7. You will find it in the
control panel, a blue monitor. For best results, do it in the dark

• something like growing mushrooms.

Jim

Jay Lee said:

Cross posting this from an earlier post today hoping that one of
you has come across this phenomenon.


It seems obvious now but had never thought to question the
'blackness' of my monitor (IBM/Trinitron P260) when calibrating
with Adobe Gamma.

Upon coming across a calibration suggestion today that states to
compare you monitor 'black' with the un-scanned edge of your screen
as a black point reference I shrunk my desktop to reveal the
un-scanned edge to compare. WOW!!!! To my surprise I find that not
only don’t I have true black on my display but what I thought was
black is in fact a milky slightly green shade of I muck!!!

I have spent hours tweaking every thing I can including the obvious
display brightness/contrast controls, video card settings, window
display settings etc… nothing comes even close to displaying
‘black’!!

Is my monitor shot….or am I overlooking something??

Regards,

Jay

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Photography should be fun

http://www.pbase.com/jcollins

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Troponin (Trop)
I must admit, I gotta problem with typo's

Here's a site on monitor calibration with online tools that can help using Adobe Gamma.

http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/

If you want to take the guessing factor out of your workflow, get a colorimeter like the Spider or others. I have one from TGLC ( http://www.tglc.com ). No more guesswork.

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I was just tring to help the financially inclined.... (including me).

Marc Jutras said:

Here's a site on monitor calibration with online tools that can
help using Adobe Gamma.

http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/

If you want to take the guessing factor out of your workflow, get a
colorimeter like the Spider or others. I have one from TGLC
( http://www.tglc.com ). No more guesswork.

--
Marc Jutras
http://www.marcjutras.com

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Troponin (Trop)
I must admit, I gotta problem with typo's

Thank you all for your input. Please allow me to clarify:

No matter how much tweaking I do with Adobe Gamma or any other settings on my system the 'black' these processes produce is NOTHING like the density or neutrality of the un-scanned black portions of the edge of the monitor. Keep in mind that one does not require Adobe Gamma to set black and white points, its usefulness lies more in its ability to adjust the gamma of a display.

It was the tutorial @ http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/ that tipped me off to the fact that without a black reference (such as the un-scanned screen) you are unable to determine (without an external device) wether you are in fact seeing ‘true’ (or close to) a true neutral black. This explains why I have been looking at what I though was black for a year not realizing that all settings pointed to the fact that what I see should be black but in fact was not.

Question is: Is my monitor shot and simply not capable of displaying a some what decent black point? Am I overlooking a windows setting or similar that is handicapping the display from showing a dense, neutral black?

Regards,

Jay