Reservoir_Dog
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Gonna replace my 39 D4 camera's also with 40 D4S cams, 1 camera as a back up.
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My views on the D4s, somewhat dissappointing
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Don't really know how many I've got. They're locked up in the trunks of some of the Lamborgnini's and I can't remember which ones. Might be the ones I keep parked at the villa in Nice.
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dwight3
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Read the specs. "Ethernet: 1000 Base-T (Gigabit) Wired LAN" is not the same as "1000 gigabit LAN".
I would agree. Your views on the D4s are somewhat disappointing.
The one bright spot in the review, IMHO. Finally someone who doesn't rely on a DSLR for his video work.
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diverroy
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How many cameras did you say you had.I must have missed it
Event_shooter
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Nikon has done this before, they just shove a camera out the door to keep people talking about Nikon, as was the D4. The D4s is really what the D4 should have been. The D4s, should have been much more that it is for the price tag.
Nikon figured in Canon can get 6K for their camera than so can Nikon.
I would have bet my last dollar on the D4s being 24MP, so I was just as stunned as everyone.
Nikon will get spanked when they are stuck with truck loads of unsold D4s cameras. There is no way anyone that has a D4 will buy a D4s, and that's what Nikon needs - they need people buying each new model as they come out.
What Nikon should start to worry about more than anything is every time they do this they risk people jumping ship to Canon for "perceived' better innovations.
Nikon has had 24MP for years and years, why it was implemented in the D4s is ludicrous.
Nikon figured in Canon can get 6K for their camera than so can Nikon.
I would have bet my last dollar on the D4s being 24MP, so I was just as stunned as everyone.
Nikon will get spanked when they are stuck with truck loads of unsold D4s cameras. There is no way anyone that has a D4 will buy a D4s, and that's what Nikon needs - they need people buying each new model as they come out.
What Nikon should start to worry about more than anything is every time they do this they risk people jumping ship to Canon for "perceived' better innovations.
Nikon has had 24MP for years and years, why it was implemented in the D4s is ludicrous.
RBFresno
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HI!
I haven't thoroughly researched it, but I believe that "s" upgrades typically keep the same sensor MP size (D70s, D300s, D2hs, D3s, D2Xs; even the AW100s).
I would have bet against an increase in sensor MP for the D4s (wish I could have found some folks rto take the bet ;-) ).
And when Ken Rockwell reported prematurely that the D4s would be 24mp, I was even more sure that it would stay at 16 MP ;-)
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I agree - and anyone with any sense and knowledge of Nikon "s" model upgrades would agree with you. A foolish few seemed to think a D5 was coming. In reality, the D4s appears (on paper so far) to be as big of an upgrade over the D4 as the D3s was over the D3 (discounting the video part of the D3 s as it was not very good).
No, the 16mp sensor used is far better for this camera in so many ways.
the problem with stills from 4k, is that unless you have huge on camera storage (external hard drive storage), 4k has to be compressed to a huge extent. and that is compressed for video output not stills, so it is not a 8mp sharp raw file you get but a heavily compressed jpeg. Not what you are needing.
In addition, the selection process for the ideal image is far better undertaken by the photographer at the time, than spending hours sifting frame by frame through hours of video.
Grevture
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You mean like the D4 is what the D3s should have been? And the same way the D3s was what the D3 should have been? Not to mention how much the D3 was what the D2Hs should have been ... And so on, and on, and on
Nikon has for a very long time updated their pro cameras at roughly two year intervals, alternating between upping the model number and just adding a 's'. The D4s is just the latest step in a long and fairly logical way of evolving their top press/sports cameras.
The main target audience for these cameras - that is the audience they are designed for - is full time press and sport photographers. Such photographers tend to upgrade their gear on roughly two, three or four year intervals because by then they are used up (the cameras, not the users
). And Nikon, just as Canon, makes sure that there are as new models as possible available whenever someone want to replace a worn out camera. Sure they could wait longer between upgrades to make them look more exciting, but that is not in the interests of the main audience, so they keep making smaller and incremental upgrades more often instead.You seem to be looking at this from an angle of "don't release a new model unless there are differences enough compelling to upgrade from the previous version". That is not how the majority of the target audiences for cameras like D4 or 1D operate. They replace their cameras when they are worn out, and when they do that, they want to have the latest version of it.
The same could be said for D4, D3s, D3, D2H, D1H, D1, and for 1D X, 1D Mk4, 1D Mk3, 1D Mk2 and so on. Pro grade press/sports cameras are not good value for money deals unless you are a full time pro press/sports shooter. When you are, they are easily worth the money.
No 'everyone' was not stunned, just people who do not stop for a moment considering (again) who this camera is actually built for. The fact that Nikon by popular request from the actual target audience instead added a s-raw mode with downsized raw files say a lot about what teh real priorities of the audience is - a very fast workflow. A good useful resolution is of course also desirable, but never, never ever on the expense of a fast workflow.
Again, you seem to look at the D4 and D4s as they were consumer cameras, not pro tools.
Nikon have a long laundry list of features and functions raging from intelligent auto mode to 36 MP resolution for years, and they are not implemented in the D4s for one very simple reason - they are not needed, nor desired by the target audience for which the D4s was designed.
If there is any models in their respective offerings where both Canon and Nikon spend immense resources polling and interviewing actual users to gauge what they want, it is their press/sports cameras. The design and the specifications of these cameras look they way they do because that is what the users want in them. And whatever changes and improvements you see, you can rest assured it is one that has been asked for. And higher resolution is not a particularly high priority for most D4 and soon-to-be D4s users. While durability, speed (both in camera and in workflow) and fast accurate AF is much, much more important.
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Rservello
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So you're disappointed that an s update is minor. You mean like every other s update in nikon digital history???
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Ha, your puny Nikon fleet is nothing. Who needs 11 cameras when you can have one great big one. My camera is so big I invite news stories to step inside for their picture. I'm on Death Star Mark V now.
bobn2
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The truth is the top press/sports market is pretty conservative. Making too big a jump could be counterproductive.You mean like the D4 is what the D3s should have been? And the same way the D3s was what the D3 should have been? Not to mention how much the D3 was what the D2Hs should have been ... And so on, and on, and on
Nikon has for a very long time updated their pro cameras at roughly two year intervals, alternating between upping the model number and just adding a 's'. The D4s is just the latest step in a long and fairly logical way of evolving their top press/sports cameras.
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Grevture
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Yes, and for fairly good reasons. They tend to operate on a 'don't fix it unless its broken' philosophyThe truth is the top press/sports market is pretty conservative.You mean like the D4 is what the D3s should have been? And the same way the D3s was what the D3 should have been? Not to mention how much the D3 was what the D2Hs should have been ... And so on, and on, and on
Nikon has for a very long time updated their pro cameras at roughly two year intervals, alternating between upping the model number and just adding a 's'. The D4s is just the latest step in a long and fairly logical way of evolving their top press/sports cameras.
As a general observation I would say pro shooters seem to appreciate technological advancements as much as a enthusiast does. But while the latter often tend at times to get over excited over numbers and specifications, pro shooters tend to be extremely result oriented and less concerned over specs.
bobn2
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My experience also. I think most of the gearheads here would be amazed how restricted is the average pro's knowledge of the feature set of their camera. They know the bits they use inside out and back to front, but if it's outside their own use pattern, they don't bother.Yes, and for fairly good reasons. They tend to operate on a 'don't fix it unless its broken' philosophyThe truth is the top press/sports market is pretty conservative.You mean like the D4 is what the D3s should have been? And the same way the D3s was what the D3 should have been? Not to mention how much the D3 was what the D2Hs should have been ... And so on, and on, and on
Nikon has for a very long time updated their pro cameras at roughly two year intervals, alternating between upping the model number and just adding a 's'. The D4s is just the latest step in a long and fairly logical way of evolving their top press/sports cameras.
As a general observation I would say pro shooters seem to appreciate technological advancements as much as a enthusiast does. But while the latter often tend at times to get over excited over numbers and specifications, pro shooters tend to be extremely result oriented and less concerned over specs.
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M Lammerse
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That is more camera than braincells!
(I'm just joking of course, just like you ;-) )
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dwight3
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After all, it's less than an hour's output from the factory
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Huh? 11? How come?
All the D700, D3s and D800 cameras I have bought* to take pictures of my cat have arrived in boxes of 12, not 11.
Did you accept an already opened box, or did one of the 12 cameras break?
*: I hope I will someday learn what to do when the memory card is filled so I don't have to buy so many cameras.
bobn2
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I think you've wasted your money. If you just set 'Slot empty release lock' off, you never have to put a card in at all.
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You mean you have to put memory cards in these things as well? So what happened to my last 300,000 puppy pictures? Even the Turin shroud would take at least one picture without a memory card.
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