E-PM1 second hand

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Hi

I was thinking to go for a second hand E-PM1... few questions if someone wants to answer.

1. Would it fit to a jacket pocket?

2. Can I used normal flashes with it? IT looks like it has a hot shoe

3. How much money would you think it would be a good deal only for a body?

4. Is iso 800 good enough?

5. Can I use adapted lenses?

6. Is there any very compact zoom lens that would fit together at my pocket?

Regards

Alex
 
Hi

I was thinking to go for a second hand E-PM1... few questions if someone wants to answer.

1. Would it fit to a jacket pocket?
It depends on the jacket pocket. Pens with the smaller lenses fit ok in most jacket pockets.
2. Can I used normal flashes with it? IT looks like it has a hot shoe
Yes, you can use either flashes that support the Olympus protocol or generic flashes where you have to do more work to get the shot properly illuminated. When it was sold new, it came with a clip-on flash that could be used to control remote flashes. If you are using a generic flash, note that page 60 of the fine manual says that you should use a flash that puts no more than 24v through the hot-shoe (some of the flashes designed in the 1970's could send hundreds of volts through the hot-shoe, and fry modern cameras).
3. How much money would you think it would be a good deal only for a body?
Well given Olympus is currently selling the E-PM2 with 2 lenses for $399 (note this is a US only sale, and the promotion is ending at the end of February), I wouldn't pay too much. KEH.com is selling one for $126. And Olympus USA is selling reconditioned E-PM1's for $138.
4. Is iso 800 good enough?
It depends on how picky you are. I tended to go up to ISO 1600 on my E-P2 which came out 1-2 years earlier, and has an earlier generation of the 12MP sensor used in the E-PM1. But at 1600, I do have to do some noise suppression in post processing.
5. Can I use adapted lenses?
Sure, but IMHO, unless you get an electronic viewfinder or something like a clearviewer, it is hard to manually focus lenses when you are using the back lcd.
6. Is there any very compact zoom lens that would fit together at my pocket?
The Olympus 14-42mm II-R lens that was the kit lens for the E-PM1 folds down to about 1/2 size when you put it in your pocket is probably your best best for a zoom lens. It isn't a bad lens. Like most of the zoom lenses until you get to the $800 lenses, it is f/5.6 on the long end, which means if you are shooting indoors without a flash, you will need to push up the ISO somewhat. It has an equivalent focal range of 28-84mm.

Note, Olympus no longer offers lens hoods with the lenses, and you can pick up JJC knock-offs of the lens hood for a few dollars on ebay. The one I got can be mounted backwards to save space.

There is a new 14-42mm EZ lens that was just announced that is even smaller. I don't know if it is shipping yet. I think the price was $350 or so.

I just picked up the Stylus1 and it would fit the bill (though at $700 it isn't cheap). It can do the equivalent focal range of 28-300mm with a f/2.8 lens. It is slightly thicker than just the Pen bodies by themselves, but much thinner when you consider the lenses on the Pens. There are several discussions about the Stylus1 in the Olympus compact camera sub-forum. Here is one of the posts, where I compare the E-PM2 and the Stylus1 (be sure to read the whole thread): http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53175972

If you want to go cheaper, with more zoom, and thinner, consider the SH-50. It has less bells and whistles than the Stylus1, but if you need zoom and are shooting in good light, you might want to consider it. There is a frequent poster in the Olympus compact camera forum (Henry Falknet) that can promote the camera. For me, one of the sellers for the Stylus1 is having the viewfinder for shooting in bright sun.
 
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You also might post this in the Micro four-thirds forum where more of the Pen/Panasonic users hang out. But do check out the various Stylus1 and SH-50 threads here.

The SZ-16/SZ-15 should also be considered when looking at small super-zooms. My sense is the SH-50 is the much better camera than the SZ-16, and it is only $25 more. The SZ-15 is the previous generation, and its sensor isn't branded IHS, so I imagine it it isn't as good.

The SP-820UZ has more zoom range, but is somewhat bigger. It does take AA batteries instead of propritary Olympus batteries (which is useful if you are carting multiple electronic devices on a trip, and need to bring a number of different chargers).

The new SP-100 isn't shipping yet, but while it has much more zoom, it is much bigger than the SH-50 or Stylus1. It still might fit in a jacket pocket, but you are starting to push things.

I forgot about the XZ-1, XZ-2, and XZ-10. These are enthusiast cameras which means they have more features, and support things like external flash. Both the XZ-2 and XZ-10 are on sale right now (XZ-2 for $300 at US prices, XZ-10 for $200). At the wide end, they have a f/1.8 lens (28-112mm or 26-130mm equivalent focal lengths). The XZ-2 supports the external viewfinder VF-2/VF-3 while the XZ-10 does not.

Except for the Stylus1, none of the SH-50, SZ-16, SZ-15, SP-820UZ, nor SP-100 support an external flash.
 
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Hi thanks for the suggestion of sh50.. but I think the canon sx220 has advantage over image quality.

Regards

A.
 
Pm1 is a nice cam i stood for the same choice a month agoo. But after spending a lot of hours reading about the differences between PM1 and PM2 the PM2 costed more but was so much better and newer that i went for the PM2 and kitlens for $330. But that was because i really needed the better sensor in low light shooting. For good daylight shooting the PM1 is good enough i think, but if you have the extra cash.... Better sensor, better iso, more pixels, better engine and better dynamic range.
 
Hi

I was thinking to go for a second hand E-PM1... few questions if someone wants to answer.

1. Would it fit to a jacket pocket?
Yes ... with the right lens, but that obviously depends on the size of the pocket.
2. Can I used normal flashes with it? IT looks like it has a hot shoe
It comes with a hot shoe flash. My other Olympus flashes work with it as well.
3. How much money would you think it would be a good deal only for a body?
Refurbished PM1 bodies from Cameta go for $114. I bought one over a year ago ... no issues. BTW: The fit and finish of the PM1 is very high, better than the PM2. I own both.
4. Is iso 800 good enough?
Yes, that is the upper limit for clean photos for the 12 MP Olympus sensor. I always set Auto ISO at 200-800 for my Olympus camera bodies with this sensor.
5. Can I use adapted lenses?
Yes, but buy a quality adapter. I use a MFT Voigtlander adapter for Nikon lenses. The adapter is very high quality. A cheap adapter can decenter your lens, causing issues especially at the corners.
6. Is there any very compact zoom lens that would fit together at my pocket?
From experience, the Olympus 17mm f/2.8 is a good candidate. The new Panasonic 12-32mm zoom and the new Olympus 14-42mm zoom are also candidates based on size, although I do not currently have them. All of the other MFT lenses are too large.
Regards

Alex
 
Hi

I was thinking to go for a second hand E-PM1... few questions if someone wants to answer.

1. Would it fit to a jacket pocket?

2. Can I used normal flashes with it? IT looks like it has a hot shoe

3. How much money would you think it would be a good deal only for a body?

4. Is iso 800 good enough?

5. Can I use adapted lenses?

6. Is there any very compact zoom lens that would fit together at my pocket?

Regards
I own an E-PM1, at ISO 800 and above you can see noise appearing I strongly recommend you get E-PM2 instead, you may have to pay a little more but it is worth it.
 
Yep, just get an E-PM2. The extra $ are worth it.
 
Hi

I can only afford a second hand body that sells maximum with a lens around 200 euros.

A prime lens or a compact zoom lens might do the trick. Some prime lens that can also do a bit of portraits might be ideal though
 
Hi

I can only afford a second hand body that sells maximum with a lens around 200 euros.

A prime lens or a compact zoom lens might do the trick. Some prime lens that can also do a bit of portraits might be ideal though
Hi!

I don't know how you should do it, but make sure you get the E-PM2. I am not the type who blindly follows trends and I held on to my 12mp E-P1 for a long, long time. Finally some one on this forum convinced me to try the new 16mp sensor. The difference is astonishing!

Try to buy in America, prices are better and there is much more choice.
 

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