Fuji XT1 versus Nikon DF

As you observe, people love or hate the Df. No idea why some say it's compromised - it's like saying a Leica M is compromised!! In my observation those who have it, love it and those who don't tend to hate it.

I think what this comes down to is weight vs image quality, an old dilemma. In any event, I think you would be fine with your 24 and 24-120 on the Df.

There's another dimension to this which is how good your bag is. When I was on holiday around new year I bought a new crumpler bag to house my d800e and 24-70 + 14-24, really took the load off.

Another point to consider is lens weight. It's no use carrying a small, light camera if you end up carrying more lenses ( which was often the problem when I shot with my now sold X-pro1). In any event, when I go out for a longer period, like you weight can be at a premium. Then I tend to carry the 20mm AFD lens, the special edition 50 and either the 28 or 35 f1.8g lens with my Df. When I carry a Fuji I'm most likely to be carrying the14, 23 and 35 lenses, it's also a light set up. When I somehow persuade myself to carry the 18-55 and the 55-200 together with other lenses is when the Fuji system gets overweight - that's a lot of glass.
Thank you everyone for your responses. It is great to hear from someone who uses both Fuji and Nikon. Sgold- I do have a 24mm 1.4 lens, other than that I have all zooms but one of them is the 24-120 which isn't too heavy. It is actually my favourite lens for just walking around and is on the camera about 80% of the time.

I guess I want the impossible- a really light set-up with the best image quality going, especially in low light. People either hate or like the DF- but the people who own it actually really seem to love it. The Fuji XT1 also looks like a great camera and obviously a much lighter setup. I guess the other other that bothers me is starting on a brand new system again with new lenses however, I wouldn't need many. I was going to start with the 35mm lens and perhaps add a new zoom when it comes in. Probably for the same price in total as the DF with its kit lens. So I guess price is a non-issue because I would end up having to spend the same amount at the end either way.

Thanks again,
Hi everyone. I am new to this forum and Fuji. I have a Nikon D800 and am looking for a lighter walk around camera for street/travel photography. I don't know anyone who has a Fuji camera but I have read great things about them. My camera dealer suggested that the new XT1 would be much better for a second camera than the Nikon DF since it will be lighter (with lighter lenses). My question is would the DF image quality be much better overall and also when using higher ISO's. I really don't want to compromise on IQ but I would appreciated the lighter weight. I don't really print larger than 22 * 17.

Thanks.
I've had a Df for many months and have used Fuji cameras for many years now, since the X100. I received an XT1 yesterday. First impressions of the XT1 are extremely positive, it feels good in hand, the AF is snappy (snappier than the previous X cameras) and the image quality is pretty damn amazing for an APS-C camera. It is light, but compact and solidly built. The only real downsides I've found thus far is that I don't like the recessed buttons and the dials around the dials (for metering etc) are too easy to knock. Basically, it is an extremely good example of a mirror less camera. The EVF is stunningly good.

BUT... I would never give up my Df for the X-T1. The Df has nicer image quality all around, particularly at high ISO. In fact, the D4/Df sensor is one of the best I've ever come across - it practically sees in the dark. The biggest difference in image quality you'll see is at high ISOs where the Df is off the scale good - DXO rates it the best 35mm sensor at high ISO and with good reason. Contrary to what you may have heard, the AF on the Df is excellent and the dials are incredibly intuitive. It's heavier than an XT1 (about 700g) but it's better in hand if you have larger hands.

I'm basically locked into Fuji now - I'll take a big loss if I sell, and frankly its handy to have an APS-C camera with a smaller body for certain purposes. Thus it made sense to me to buy the XT1 as a complement to my other cameras (I'll quietly ebay my X-E2). I cannot take a DSLR everywhere.

If you have only zooms for your D800, they won't be too much use on the Df anyway. If however you have primes, the Df might well make more sense since you won't need to buy new lenses and the image quality will be better.

However, my own recommendation of the Df needs to be weighed against the fact that the Df is expensive, more expensive than the XT1.
 
I would definitelly consider the X-T1. The Nikon manual focus lenses are indeed small and with a nice feeling to them in actual use giving a pleasant photographic experience with their aperture rings. Not the new Nikon AFS lenses that are big and gelded (no aperture ring on them). You have to use a rotational dial placed in front of the camera to set aperture with Df. All Fuji primes have aperture rings on them, all are AF and are a pleasure to photograph with. In my opinion, the X100s, X-E2, X-Pro1 give the most complete and rewarding photographic experience. Here lies the greatness of Fuj: they have designed their cameras for photographers not engineers or some other categories of people. Fuji X cameras work like a charm.
 
Thanks for help. About this, one can find helps on youtube (I found them when I tested the X100 a couple of years ago).
 
Thanks for your thoughts. After reading your response, it makes the Fuji much less appealing. You are the first post that I have read that is quite negative on the camera. interesting how everyone has a different experience with the cameras.
I had the XPro-1 and still have the XE-1 and shoot with a Df since about 3 months. IQ wise there simply is no contest, and not only @ high iso. At low iso, the X-trans sensor files are not among the best, (even mft retains more detail) and imho its high iso performance is overhyped and comes at the expense of loss of details (a Pentax K5 is easily as good at high iso). So all in all, not your perfect landscape camera. Lastly, the best Fuji lenses and the longer zooms are quite heavy and bulky, 56mm, 23mm, the new wide angle zoom, not making the Fuji a particularly compact or lightweight system anymore.
I want the Fuji to be everything the hype says it is. But fact is it isn`t. The sensor is very promising, but clearly has its quirks and warts and can not be compared to the outstanding FF Df (D4) sensor. And as far as size, cost and weight are concerned, the quite affordable and not heavy Nikon f1.8 G (35, 50, 85mm) lenses ought to be compared to the best Fuji primes rather than the fastest Nikon glas, as they are providing the same or better dof control coupled with the FF sensor. And thanks to the unmatched high iso performance of the Df, the slightly better light gathering ability of the Fuji f1.4 or the new f1.2 is not needed. I use my Df with a mix of G and MF only ais lenses. Some of the latter are excellent (28mm, 105mm), built to last and inexpensive.
Yeah, but it's the size of a small house instead of being the size of an FM2. My X-E1 goes almost everywhere with me with just a prime; I can guarantee that the Df would not. If you haven't got your baby with you, you're not taking nice creamy-bokeh photographs, no matter how wonderful your kit is. Hence the rise of the smartphone camera... it's all those DSLR users who've left the camera at home - again (haw haw).

;)
 
Thanks for your thoughts. After reading your response, it makes the Fuji much less appealing. You are the first post that I have read that is quite negative on the camera. interesting how everyone has a different experience with the cameras.
The Xt1 shares the same sensor as X100s, Xe2...Fuji adds a few knobs, an amazing EVF (I think it's really the key point of this camera) and a weather sealing. It's an APS-c sensor, its pros and cons are well known, and even Fuji itself will never say its high ISOs perform as well as the DF. As I used also 5dII, k5 and D7000, I can tell there are very minor differences, and a good photogapher can deal easily with these minor issues. And even with these 3 cameras, sometimes you get a non negligeable amount of noise in RAW files at low ISOs. The Xt-1 AF seems performing better than the XE2, but DSLR are faster. It's very clear. I don't see anything really new in all of these comments. All of these cameras have fantastic sensors and can produce amazing shots. No doubt about IQ.
 
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I think your comparison is very well laid out, but there are a few questions I would have for you, being based in Auckland, New Zealand:

1. The prices are all excluding tax, right? I have fallen for this in the past when it said 999.00 whereas in fact you have to pay much more. Naturally this would apply to both systems.

2. The 56/1.2 is "only" an 85/1.8 as far as depth of field goes, NOT 1.4. Since there is a huge price difference between the 1.8 and the 1.4 Nikkors, I thought this needed clarification! The 85/1.8 is only 399.00 at B&H so this would knock off more than 1000.00 of your Nikon bill. This of course would only be important as far as the DOF goes the maximum aperture is what it is ...

So the X-T1 would be 1.299,00 plus the 56/1.2 would set you back 2.298.00 whereas the DF would set you back 3.398,00 if you take B&H as a reference. This would still leave room for a 35/1.4 or the fabulous 23/1.4 or the 14/2.8 ...

Less than you suggested but still ...

Just to clarify this, I have come from Nikon and now use the X-E2 plus the 14, 23, 35 and the 60mm.

Good to see the pictures of the 2 cameras side by side!

Deed
Thanks, those prices were from B&H in U.S. a few weeks back, neither side included tax. Since then, Nikon started a nice sale on lenses in the U.S. and the 85 1.8 you mention is $100 off (which is probably the price you quoted), not sure about the 1.4 being on sale or not.

Is the 56 1.2 really equivalent to a an 85 1.8 full frame in term of DOF? I never really thought about the actual f-stop difference required. It may be equiv in DOF but it let's the 56 1.2 lets in 1.5 stops more light than the Nikkor f1.8 and would help make up for the DF's better low light performance a bit. But I hear your points and agree the 1.8 is probably a better comparison DOF wise.

Anyway, my x100s has me hungry for more (more compactness, great IQ) and I may make the leap to an Xt1 if I like the AF.

Sounds like you are a happy x-e2 user now?
 
Thanks Sal. I read that the same ISO with Nikon vs. Fuji are not actual equivalent so for example that Nikons' ISO of 800 is equal to a lower ISO from Fuji. I have no idea whether or not this is true or not.
They look remarkably similar in terms of sharpness. I'd go with the 2nd one being the XE1 because the colours look better, more XE1-like. The top one has warmer colours and not quite as pleasing. Too low in the blue channel.

Greg.
You are right the second one is the Fuji, but of course white balance can be adjusted!

Deed
Here's two 100% crops (RAWs converted in Iridient Developer) ) from our friends at Imaging Resource. One is from the Nikon D4 at ISO 800 (same sensor as Df). The other is from the X-100s at ISO 800 (same sensor as X-T1). Higher ISO comparisons may produce more differences, but this is all the energy I have for tonight.

Which is which?

Edit--Oops...forgot to remove exif, you're now on the honor system. :)

Number One...

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Number Two...

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Sal
When you pull these RAW files into the converter and view at 100% it's clear that the two sensors are so close to each other (below ISO 3200) that it only takes the slightest tick one way or the other in NR and sharpness settings to make them indistinguishable from each other. And these are 100 % magnified crops. In real world photography no viewer could tell the difference.

Before I get flamed...I'm only talking about final IQ below ISO 3200. I'm not saying anything about AF or body ergonomics. But I find the X-Trans to hold its own very well considering it's a third the price of the Df.

Sal
 
thanks R. Guyton. I like how you laid out the factors. First of all I don't need the camera for sports. When I shoot with the D800 I was using fairly high ISO's (say 1600 or 3200) in the early morning and later in the evening. I just had a thought though- with the Nikon D800 I try to keep the shutter speed fast so I get sharp pictures. I wonder if it would be fair to say that with a lower number of megapixels (either DF or Fuji) I could get away with a slower shutter speed so I wouldn't need the ISO to be so high. Another factor that I'm wondering about is ease of use when learning either the Fuji or DF and also when switching between the new and old camera.
I will say, as a Nikon guy, the IQ of the 16mp x-trans images is right up there. I look at them every day vs my D800.... Personally, I think the DF is overpriced and a bit of a "franken-camera" (to me it looks like to many buttons and dials were just sort of stuck on) and I wouldn't buy it. I'll just use my D800 if I want to use Nikon that day.

In your situation, I would say you have five factors to balance: 1) need for high ISO performance, 2) size/compactness, unobtrusiveness, 3) need for sports AF and 4) normal ISO IQ and 5) cost.

1 - DF wins ISO performance
2 - Fuji wins on size, great for street photography, a different tool for sure
3 - DF wins sports AF, but you didn't mention sports and the XT1 may be very, very good
4 - toss up - two 16mp cameras with great IQ at "normal" ISOs
5 - Fuji wins on price (throw in a lens, maybe two to break even)

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I never really thought about the fact you may "loose" a shutterspeed (eg. have to increase shutterspeed on D800) to get equiv sharpness. I'm sure it's true.

I will say that Fuji improved their software and I find it quite easy to use (I didn't say that with the x100 and the old firmware, but the newer firmware the menus on the x100s at least are easy to learn for me).

The fact is, for me at least, that at ISO 800 and below, I find the IQ to be really great. There is a lot of chatter about which RAW converter is best and I noticed Adobe just announced a "release candidate" for ACR with more x-trans options. I have yet to try PhotoNinja, but have been using Aperture, Capture One and LR. Right now, based on not a lot of research, I like Capture One a bit better, but I believe you can tweak 'em all to get what you want.

I'm totally impressed with the fuji jpgs out of camera. I almost think, for photos taken where white balance is correct, I may not use RAW at all. E.g I may shoot RAW+FINE jpg and keep only the jpg in those instances. Once in LR or Aperture or C1, the adjustments are non-destructive and on top of the original anyway (whether it is JPG or Raw). In other words, the best raw processor for Fuji, may be the one built into the camera.
 
I've been shooting with the X-Trans sensor since the first day the X-Pro1 became available in April 2012. I've used it in the X-Pro and X-E1, which I've owned, and the X100s and XM1, which I had on loan for extended periods.

I've also spent the last several weeks with a loaner of a Nikon Df. The sensor in the Df is the best I've ever seen for everything except resolution. If resolution is your holy grail, you can't do better than the Sigma DP Merrill cameras but the D800 and A7r both come close. But it you want amazingly clean files at every ISO with great detail and color rendition up to ISO 12,800, the sensor in the Df and D4 is the best on the planet right now. I'm sure it will be bettered at some point, but if anyone really believes the X-Trans APS sensor lives up to that Df sensor, they're high on better drugs than I've ever taken (and I've taken my share in years past).

That said, for the Df to be a better overall choice for you, you either have to really value the tracking AF advantages that DSLRs still have over mirrorless (despite great strides in this area with the EM1 and reportedly the XT1) and/or you have to be willing to shoot pretty high end DSLR glass, which gets pretty large, heavy, and expensive. For single shot AF, the EM1 and GX7 and GH4 and other m43 bodies don't give up anything to DSLRs any longer. From reports, it sounds like the XT1 has either caught m43 in this regard or has at least closed the gap. For me, tracking AF is a non-issue, but for some its a big one and the DSLR is still a better choice.

In terms of lenses, I decided the only way I was gonna be OK with the larger and heavier Df was if I shot it with small primes. I did a lot of shooting with Nikon's "D" series lenses, which are as small or smaller than similar Fuji lenses and are also less expensive. Some of them are optically better than their Fuji counterparts (28mm vs the Fuji 18), some are not quite as good (Nikon 20 vs Fuji 14, Nikon 35 vs Fuji 23), but to me they're also good enough. BUT, they're slower than their Fuji counterparts, enough to about equalize on shallow DOF and to give back the roughly one stop advantage the Df sensor gets you. If I can shoot the Nikon 35mm at f2.0 at ISO 6400, I can shoot the Fuji 23mm at f1.4 at ISO 3200 and get roughly the same quality and DOF. Arguably the Df sensor is still a bit better, but at 6400 it's not notably better than the X-Trans at 3200 and at 12,800 it's not notably better than the X-Trans at 6400.

If you're willing to pay for and haul around the higher end DSLR glass, there's a clear benefit to the Df. After all, the Nikon 35mm f1.4 gains a full stop in terms of both shallow DOF and low light capability over the same Df with the 35mm f2.0 or the Fuji with the 23mm f1.4. But those are big, heavy, incredibly expensive lenses. I'm not willing to buy or carry those high end lenses, though, so the two cameras are close enough to a wash in terms of DOF and low light capability. Maybe a slight edge to the Nikon, but not enough to get worked up about.

The other thing is whether you prefer the shooting and handling characteristics of a DSLR or mirrorless. I prefer a big bright OVF to a big bright EVF, but I also love the advantages of a really good full time live view, particularly with a flip up rear screen. I like shooting both with and without a viewfinder, so if I have to take a slightly less wonderful electronic viewfinder to get the full live view experience, I'll take that. I can't seem to have the best of both worlds here (I was hopeful with the X-Pro, but too few Fuji lenses really work well with the OVF), so on balance mirrorless works better for me.

I love the battery life of the DSLR - really pretty eye-openingly great. BUT, that big flapping mirror and that big honking sensor also adds up to dust dust DUST!!! I'd never had to clean a camera's sensor before. I've been shooting m43 and Fuji and other mirrorless cameras for about four years now - never had to clean a sensor even once. I hadn't shot extensively with an SLR since the film days and obviously you don't have to clean THOSE sensors. With the Df, I was cloning out dust spots in the skies of almost all of my shots and cleaning the damn sensor every couple of days. I'd go out shooting with a clean sensor but by the time I was a couple of dozen shots into a shoot, dust spots started showing up. A lot of people have come to terms with this. Photography is my joy, not my job, and having to maintain the sensor like that makes it feel like more of a job.

Bottom line, if you're willing to pay the price for the best lenses and also willing to carry them around, the Df blows the doors off of any APS based camera, Fuji's included. But if you're not and you really want a smaller and lighter setup, you can do roughly as well with an APS mirrorless as you can with a full frame DSLR with the smaller, cheaper, lighter, slower lenses. I love much about the Df, but I'm gonna send it back after the loan period it and almost certainly buy an XT1.

-Ray

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Nice write up. One thing people never talk about is "how are you using the images?"

If you compare images by pixel peeping at 100%, you will find differences. But once you downsize an image for web or a gallery (say max of 3,000 pixels on an edge), you are usually throwing away a bunch of pixels to get down to the appropriate size. If you compare the downsized images, the differences get even harder to do discern.

Pixel peepers will inevitably base conclusions on full res images compared on a 27" monitor in PS, LR or Aperture or whatever at 100%. But output to a reasonable size JPG or print and can those people tell which camera took the image? probably not. I have 20" x 30" images from my meager 12mp D3 which look great.

The biggest advantage, and why I keep my D800, is ability to print gigantic (which I rarely do admittedly) and the ability to crop and still keep a ton of resolution. But in the DF XT1 comparison, that's not relevant.

Read this review the Luminous Landscape review of the x100s CLICK HERE

For an ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS camera maker comparison read this:

http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/fuji-x100s-review-a-camera-walks-into-a-bar/
 
Hi everyone. I am new to this forum and Fuji. I have a Nikon D800 and am looking for a lighter walk around camera for street/travel photography. I don't know anyone who has a Fuji camera but I have read great things about them. My camera dealer suggested that the new XT1 would be much better for a second camera than the Nikon DF since it will be lighter (with lighter lenses). My question is would the DF image quality be much better overall and also when using higher ISO's. I really don't want to compromise on IQ but I would appreciated the lighter weight. I don't really print larger than 22 * 17.

Thanks.
I do not shoot with a DF but do use a D00e system with some really good glass. I also have the X-E2 and most of the Fuji prime lenses plus the 55-200 zoom. I owned the 18-55 zoom, a very good lens but prefer primes in that focal range.

IMHO, the Fuji system is right up there in IQ with my Nikon system. Is it exactly as good IQ wise? No. But its close. I still maintain my DSLR for reasons other than IQ such as Depth of Field, Focus speed and tracking, ittl Flash, and the better quality and availability of the Nikon tele lenses.

Fuji is catching up fast on some of these things but is not there yet.

I really love using the much lighter weight Fuji system and it has become my system of choice when I do not absolutely need the DSLR.

So if light weight is your issue then the Fuji is highly recommended.

Having said that, the DF does have its attractions! I am not sure though that its sensor will actually help me take better photos. The Fuji does because its lighter weight body and lenses are with me more than my full kit of Nikon gear ever was.

Personally, I would not print at 22/17 from the Fuji unless I got EVERYTHING right in camera but then many here would disagree with me on that. That's fine to, but not for me.

You have to decide your priorities. My decision makes sense to me. :-)

Brian
 
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I'd say that if you aren't sure if you will need full-frame, you don't need full-frame.

APS-C cameras are excellent these days, and the Fujifilm X series among the best in that class. You can shoot in ISO 6400 and still trust the camera no problem, and the 56/1.2 lens gives indistinguishable output as for depth of field compared to a typical full-frame portrait lens. For the times you don't need this, something like the 27/2.8 pancake on top of an X-T1 will be ridiculously much lighter than a Nikon DF setup.

BUT... Coming back to what I said first, there are of course aspects of full-frame that make them worth an extra look if you're after particular features or for example very large prints at or beyond poster size.
 
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Nikon's current lenses are not smaller or lighter, only the older manual focus and some of the D series lenses are but none of the new FX G lenses are light or small except for the 50 1.8. The older lenses are not made for digital and therefore may not perform well on the D800 (the other body the OP has) which needs very good lenses for best result and Nikon publishes a list of them.
 
Nice write up. One thing people never talk about is "how are you using the images?"

If you compare images by pixel peeping at 100%, you will find differences. But once you downsize an image for web or a gallery (say max of 3,000 pixels on an edge), you are usually throwing away a bunch of pixels to get down to the appropriate size. If you compare the downsized images, the differences get even harder to do discern.

Pixel peepers will inevitably base conclusions on full res images compared on a 27" monitor in PS, LR or Aperture or whatever at 100%. But output to a reasonable size JPG or print and can those people tell which camera took the image? probably not. I have 20" x 30" images from my meager 12mp D3 which look great.
Agreed, but even without pixel peeping, I can see a difference at higher ISOs and there's just something about the pop that you get from a lot of resolution that still seems to be there even after down-sampling. I spent a month in Italy last summer with an RX1, a Sigma DP1M, a Nikon Coolpix A, and a Fuji XE1. I made a book from that trip with a bunch of prints no longer than 11" on the long end and I made some 12x18" prints, which is about all I've got room for. And even at those sizes, there was something about the higher res images that came out of the RX1 and, particularly, the DP1M. I wouldn't say I like them more - I'm actually really fond of the 16mp files I was getting from the XE1 and Coolpix A, but I could see the difference.

Resolution isn't the thing with the Df, but the detail and color fidelity at high ISO is pretty astounding even in web sized photos and smaller prints. But again, I'm not willing to shoot with the big glass to really take full advantage of that low light advantage and the combination of faster glass and a smaller APS body works just about as well for me as a DSLR with more limited lenses.
The biggest advantage, and why I keep my D800, is ability to print gigantic (which I rarely do admittedly) and the ability to crop and still keep a ton of resolution. But in the DF XT1 comparison, that's not relevant.
Right. And I don't do that - rarely larger than 12x18" with the VERY occasional 20x30, which I find APS and m43 adequate for, because if I print that large, it's not to view them from a distance of inches...
Read this review the Luminous Landscape review of the x100s CLICK HERE

For an ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS camera maker comparison read this:

http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/fuji-x100s-review-a-camera-walks-into-a-bar/
I'd seen both of those, but thanks for the reminder... :-D

-Ray
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Thanks for your thoughts. After reading your response, it makes the Fuji much less appealing. You are the first post that I have read that is quite negative on the camera. interesting how everyone has a different experience with the cameras.
The Xt1 shares the same sensor as X100s, Xe2...Fuji adds a few knobs, an amazing EVF (I think it's really the key point of this camera) and a weather sealing. It's an APS-c sensor, its pros and cons are well known, and even Fuji itself will never say its high ISOs perform as well as the DF. As I used also 5dII, k5 and D7000, I can tell there are very minor differences, and a good photogapher can deal easily with these minor issues. And even with these 3 cameras, sometimes you get a non negligeable amount of noise in RAW files at low ISOs. The Xt-1 AF seems performing better than the XE2, but DSLR are faster. It's very clear. I don't see anything really new in all of these comments. All of these cameras have fantastic sensors and can produce amazing shots. No doubt about IQ.
If you believe there only a minor difference between the D7000 and the XE2/XT1 at high ISO (say 3200 or 6400) then, honestly, I think you seriously need to take another look. There's a world of difference and dismissing that difference definitely brings the accuracy of your other observations into question.

Is the Df better at high ISO? I have no idea. I don't own one. But I do own a D7000 and a EX2 and, since yesterday, a XT1. I never shoot the D7000 at anything over ISO 800 and I'm very reluctant to go that high. I don't worry too much about shooting at ISO 3200 with the EX2 if I have to. I can't speak for the XT1, I haven't had it long enough to know but it's the same sensor so it ought to be at least as good as the XE2.
 
Nice objective comparison. Similar line of thinking I have been having since deciding to "upgrade" from my D300. In my case, portability and lower cost won out over absolute image quality and AF tracking.
 
Thanks Sal. I read that the same ISO with Nikon vs. Fuji are not actual equivalent so for example that Nikons' ISO of 800 is equal to a lower ISO from Fuji. I have no idea whether or not this is true or not.
They look remarkably similar in terms of sharpness. I'd go with the 2nd one being the XE1 because the colours look better, more XE1-like. The top one has warmer colours and not quite as pleasing. Too low in the blue channel.

Greg.
You are right the second one is the Fuji, but of course white balance can be adjusted!

Deed
Here's two 100% crops (RAWs converted in Iridient Developer) ) from our friends at Imaging Resource. One is from the Nikon D4 at ISO 800 (same sensor as Df). The other is from the X-100s at ISO 800 (same sensor as X-T1). Higher ISO comparisons may produce more differences, but this is all the energy I have for tonight.

Which is which?

Edit--Oops...forgot to remove exif, you're now on the honor system. :)

Number One...

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Number Two...

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Sal


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Good point about how Fuji may rate their ISOs. This might cover any discrepancy in ISO ratings.

Here's 100% crops from the Nikon D4 at ISO 800 compared to Fuji X-Trans at ISO 1600 (both from Image Resources RAW samples)...



 ISO 800
ISO 800



 ISO 1600
ISO 1600

Sal
 
If you believe there only a minor difference between the D7000 and the XE2/XT1 at high ISO (say 3200 or 6400) then, honestly, I think you seriously need to take another look. There's a world of difference and dismissing that difference definitely brings the accuracy of your other observations into question.
This is my "honest" and purely subjective conclusion after shooting with most of these cameras, and downloading RAW files on the web when I'm not the owner. I use only RAW files with LR since 2009. Minor issues, most of the time and for most of the everyday sharings: minor issues, easily manageable with LR. This is why these tens and tens of threads about IQ, sensor sizes, and so on, make me smile. Even recent FF can produce a noticeable level of noise at midlle ISOs. But these days, it looks like most of the people only trust and refer in silly laboratory tests and shots of playing cards, bottles and labels glued to the walls. But it's only my point of view: we all have different feelings, different visual acuities, different concerns.
 
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All the gear we have today is better than any photographer had 50 years ago and they took wonderful photographs then. People argue about how good corner sharpness is and then take photos of brick walls, bottles and cats.
 
Yeah, but it's the size of a small house instead of being the size of an FM2. My X-E1 goes almost everywhere with me with just a prime; I can guarantee that the Df would not. If you haven't got your baby with you, you're not taking nice creamy-bokeh photographs, no matter how wonderful your kit is. Hence the rise of the smartphone camera... it's all those DSLR users who've left the camera at home - again (haw haw).

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I carry my DF with 3 1.8 primes almost everywhere I go (ironically in a small bag made for mirrorless cameras) and I have a lot of nice creamy-bokeh photographs to show for it ;-) . I can't remember the last time I took a photo with my smartphone since owning my DF. :-)
 

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