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Phil has laid out some simple rules for this forum. Outside of those rules his only comment sometime ago was that you should keep on topic which is Canon digital SLR cameras. One aspect of photography is (as a big surprise to some, I'm sure) taking photos. So I think it is natural that you see photos here from time to time. If you don't want to look at photos or think you're so above others that don't need any ideas, tips, inspiration or advice then think again - no one is ever ready. I like the freshness and natural look of many snapshots and this is something that is very hard to reproduce in "serious photography". You can learn from every photo, good or bad.

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People who complain about the fact that I shouldnn't complain about certain posts, yet have no problem about complaining about how I took up their precious time. Just skip my post. Is that so hard to do? Why waste your time replying to my post if you don't like it so much.

I'm at work right now so I haven't been able to look at your pic yet. I'm sure it'll be better then mine at any rate. I have given up though and refuse to reiterate what I've been trying to say. Everyone loves this forum, and they don't want anything changed which is ok with me. In fact, next time I hear someone else complaining... I'll be jumping on their back too cause the rest of you are just too powerful for little old me. All I want to end of with is that I remember how the forums used to be.... so I guess you can say I just don't like change. The make-up of the forum has changed greatly, and I think that is the biggest problem. Hopefully Phil opens up more forums in the very near future.

Kiran
 
I remember when the internet was only text based..

Why don’t we just go back to that? That will really fix this pesky snapshot issue..
Kiran P said:
People who complain about the fact that I shouldnn't complain about
certain posts, yet have no problem about complaining about how I
took up their precious time. Just skip my post. Is that so hard
to do? Why waste your time replying to my post if you don't like
it so much.

I'm at work right now so I haven't been able to look at your pic
yet. I'm sure it'll be better then mine at any rate. I have given
up though and refuse to reiterate what I've been trying to say.
Everyone loves this forum, and they don't want anything changed
which is ok with me. In fact, next time I hear someone else
complaining... I'll be jumping on their back too cause the rest of
you are just too powerful for little old me. All I want to end of
with is that I remember how the forums used to be.... so I guess
you can say I just don't like change. The make-up of the forum has
changed greatly, and I think that is the biggest problem.
Hopefully Phil opens up more forums in the very near future.

Kiran
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It is well established that I suck at posting photos, my first attemt was an udder failure. Lets see if this works.



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I remember when I had to dial into BBS's to play those role playing games to collect points and stuff. The worst part was always getting the busy signal. The local computer paper would publish a list of all the biggest and best BBS's. Heck... I even remember when one nice Sysop who liked me gave me a leech program that would make it look like a file that I just downloaded didn't get downloaded to the end and so the points would be taken from my account. That one put me on cloud nine!

Of course... if we could only type... someone would say we're taling about too much technical stuff and not enough about other things. But I give up at any rate. I say let everyone post their snapshot... in fact.... post 5 a day, everyday. And then we'll see what this place turns into! Heck... even I'll post my snap shots too and as long as they are precious enough to me as some people have said, then it should be worthy of a post.

Kiran
Tom Spyrison said:
I remember when the internet was only text based..

Why don’t we just go back to that? That will really fix this pesky
snapshot issue..
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Ted, I sort of like the newbie thing. While it can get a bit trying to see the same question showing up time after time, it means that the ranks of photographers is increasing and folks are trying to learn. More photographers means more camera purchases, more dollars for R&D for better cameras, less cost for a given capability, more folks to figure out how to do good shots, etc. I say that it is worth it. Besides, I think it is temporary. The folks visiting here will become more knowledgeable and contribute. The newbies will become less in proportion and less of an issue. Leon
 
willie408, There is an underlying order to chaos according to chaos theory, a popular area among some mathematicians and scientists. As a long time government guy, I have other sayings that you might like.

"For every scientist, there is an equal and opposite scientist." (scientist is interchangeable with expert, engineer, lawyer, etc.)
"Politics times knowledge equals a constant."
"In chaos, there is opportunity (particularly during reorganizations)."
"Down with Deming, long live Dilbert."

Leon
 
I think this is a better criteria for what to post/ not to post.

If this is a forum for Canon SLR SHOPPERS, then image posting doesn't really belong at all, REGARDLESS of how good the pictures are. Unless it is some post specifically regarding buying a Canon DSLR (such as "Here's a typical photo from my Model 123 camera, can I expect similar results from a Canon 10D?" or "I just bought a 10D and think it is front-focusing, can you please comment on these samples")

If this is a forum for Canon SLR USERS, then I would say that any image is basically okay because I don't know how you draw the line. Kiran's photo was nice, but was it mind-blowing? And what does it matter if this forum was specifically for people exchange information on buying a Canon DSLR?

Like I said earlier, the more care and consideration the original poster puts into the photo, the more he/she will get out of the feedback.

I am okay with whatever Phil says, and if there's no clear guideline for the forum, then I guess that's the way it is. If the forum is designated to be a place to exchange information for buying Canon DSLR's and lenses, then the rest of these threads perhaps can go to Photo.net or somewhere like that.

Thanks,
Steve
Kiran P said:
I got the inspiration for this thread after reading about Andy
Biggs leaving cause its getting too difficult with all the cluter,
and then some guy wanting a 1Ds for next to nothing from Italy, and
even though people told him it was a scam, he continued to post
more useless info about the deal and wasting more time, and then
reading a thread about how this one person was just gonna tell
people about how their pictures sucked if they did instead of
telling them how good it was and hence lying.

So this got me thinking about what pisses me off. I think
snapshots should be banned from this forum. If you wanna post a
snapshot, go into the samples forum. If you bought a 10D, you
should be taking more then snapshots anyway. This should eliminate
all the cat and dog pictures, unless of couse its artistic and
stuff like that. I think this is what we really want to see
here... good pictures. And even if your picture sucks, if you can
tell us that you honestly put some thought into it, like thought
about where your light is coming from, how much DOF you want,
thought about your composition and stuff like that, and it still
sucks, we'll help you out... at least I will. But if you just
point your camera and press the shutter without even looking in the
viewfinder, I call that a snapshot and I don't want to see it.

What does everyone else think?

Kiran
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Kiran,

My point was not to criticize your photo or original post in any way, it was just to elaborate and add to the topic.

Thanks,
Steve
madmaxmedia said:
If this is a forum for Canon SLR SHOPPERS, then image posting
doesn't really belong at all, REGARDLESS of how good the pictures
are. Unless it is some post specifically regarding buying a Canon
DSLR (such as "Here's a typical photo from my Model 123 camera, can
I expect similar results from a Canon 10D?" or "I just bought a 10D
and think it is front-focusing, can you please comment on these
samples")

If this is a forum for Canon SLR USERS, then I would say that any
image is basically okay because I don't know how you draw the line.
Kiran's photo was nice, but was it mind-blowing? And what does it
matter if this forum was specifically for people exchange
information on buying a Canon DSLR?

Like I said earlier, the more care and consideration the original
poster puts into the photo, the more he/she will get out of the
feedback.

I am okay with whatever Phil says, and if there's no clear
guideline for the forum, then I guess that's the way it is. If the
forum is designated to be a place to exchange information for
buying Canon DSLR's and lenses, then the rest of these threads
perhaps can go to Photo.net or somewhere like that.

Thanks,
Steve
Kiran P said:
I got the inspiration for this thread after reading about Andy
Biggs leaving cause its getting too difficult with all the cluter,
and then some guy wanting a 1Ds for next to nothing from Italy, and
even though people told him it was a scam, he continued to post
more useless info about the deal and wasting more time, and then
reading a thread about how this one person was just gonna tell
people about how their pictures sucked if they did instead of
telling them how good it was and hence lying.

So this got me thinking about what pisses me off. I think
snapshots should be banned from this forum. If you wanna post a
snapshot, go into the samples forum. If you bought a 10D, you
should be taking more then snapshots anyway. This should eliminate
all the cat and dog pictures, unless of couse its artistic and
stuff like that. I think this is what we really want to see
here... good pictures. And even if your picture sucks, if you can
tell us that you honestly put some thought into it, like thought
about where your light is coming from, how much DOF you want,
thought about your composition and stuff like that, and it still
sucks, we'll help you out... at least I will. But if you just
point your camera and press the shutter without even looking in the
viewfinder, I call that a snapshot and I don't want to see it.

What does everyone else think?

Kiran
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Once again Allen.... you keep saying that good pictures have to follow a certain set of rules. Why pick the Rule of Thirds and say I've completely ignored it. Maybe I wasn't trying to follow this one particular rule. Furthermore... if I did try to not have the pole in the pic, I'd be standing in the lake cause I was over as far as I could go. And about the cat-tails, I'm sorry that you don't like them being out of focus... but maybe I wanted them to be. But now that I remember, you're the guy who thinks all wildlife shots should be sharp from front to back so i can't really put too much value into what you say!

Kiran
Allen-W said:
Well lets examine your...."photo'......shall we?
First, you have completely ignored the, "Rule Of Thirds".
Now all rules are just guidelines, but in this case,.....you should
be sitting on the, "photographers death row".
Anything, that means anything in that snap is in the bottom 30%,
and centered.
Then it is your choice of subjects, seagulls, what are the doing?
They arn't flying away with your Subway Sandwich, they are best
known for that trait.
Then there are those stupid poles, and out of focus cat-tails, they
serve what pourpose?
If you had cropped out the gulls,+ just a little, you could have a
pretty good picture, almost a photograph.
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Well you didn't give me much to work with, but here is my version of your snap


Kiran P said:
Kiran
Allen-W said:
Well lets examine your...."photo'......shall we?
First, you have completely ignored the, "Rule Of Thirds".
Now all rules are just guidelines, but in this case,.....you should
be sitting on the, "photographers death row".
Anything, that means anything in that snap is in the bottom 30%,
and centered.
Then it is your choice of subjects, seagulls, what are the doing?
They arn't flying away with your Subway Sandwich, they are best
known for that trait.
Then there are those stupid poles, and out of focus cat-tails, they
serve what pourpose?
If you had cropped out the gulls,+ just a little, you could have a
pretty good picture, almost a photograph.
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Kiran P wrote:
"......... But now that I remember, you're the guy who thinks all
Kiran P said:
wildlife shots should be sharp from front to back so i can't really
put too much value into what you say!"
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Though I did say that, that isn't what exactly what I ment.
Trying to convey thought by Email is so limiting.

I was thinking ducks on a pond, a bird dog on point, a bass breaking the surface to get a bug, ETC. In those examples, the backround, unless it told a story, (the hunter with his shotgun for example), would not be included in the photo.

A bull elk in the woods however,wouldn't be well served with a sharp backround, but that would be more like portrait photography.
 
person would tell me that my sorry snap-shot sucked, I certainly have set myself up for it.
So come on, tell me how bad it is, that is why I posted it.

I will start this off.

That is a sorry as*ed snap-shot with poor lighting and composition, it should never have been posted. Why did you waste my time with such cr*p?

Allen
Allen-W said:
It is well established that I suck at posting photos, my first
attemt was an udder failure. Lets see if this
works.



Ta Da.
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So first of all... the half tree on the right side is wayyyyyy too distracting. Next.... there's not enogh contrast in your pic. And the 3rd thing that jumped out at me.... for someone who complained about just my seagulls being in focus and not the background.... you don't have anything in focus. I will admit that the horizon is kind of intersting though... even though I can't quite make it out cause I don't know what's going on. I don't know where the water is... or where the sky is... or where the clouds are.

Kiran
Allen-W said:
I will start this off.
That is a sorry as*ed snap-shot with poor lighting and composition,
it should never have been posted. Why did you waste my time with
such cr*p?

Allen
Allen-W said:
It is well established that I suck at posting photos, my first
attemt was an udder failure. Lets see if this
works.



Ta Da.
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Kiran

Thanks. Like I already stated, it's just a sorry as*sed snap-shot.The lighting is all wrong, the composition is poor, and I should have used a color correction filter, except it is a snap-shot, so I didn't have that option.

Anyone else? As Kiran already confirmed, and I initally stated, it is a sorry snap. Critique away, you wont hirt my feelings, sorry Kiiran.

Oh and the focus thing, I belive that this was shot with my old Kodak Funsaver 35.
Oh by the way, Kiran, did you see my version of your pic?
Kiran P said:
Kiran
Allen-W said:
I will start this off.
That is a sorry as*ed snap-shot with poor lighting and composition,
it should never have been posted. Why did you waste my time with
such cr*p?

Allen
Allen-W said:
It is well established that I suck at posting photos, my first
attemt was an udder failure. Lets see if this
works.



Ta Da.
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but i don't like it. If I wanted that framing, i woudl have shot it horizontally to begin with. I really like my long portrait type of look and I love the blue sky in the background. The only thing I would change is taking the pole out, but other then that, this shot is perfect. I wish I had better lenses, but I'm poor.... so I don't. I'm sure a nice 300mm prmie would make the photo pop some more. Here are some other pics though. And these are no snaps either... lots of thought went into these! ;)



 
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