70D focus issue through viewfinder

Had same problem with my sigma 18-35. Live view perfect, viewfinder center point was off.

Later I bought 24mm 2.8 USM IS lens and it was off as well. I figured it was camera's fault.

I sent camera (70D) to be calibrated but it came back really off, no MFA could help for 24mm lens as well as Sigma. Before factory calibration both lenses would work with some MFA, but this time MFA was useless.

So I asked canon if I could send camera again but this time with sigma, they said that they can't take sigma. So I sent my new 24mm canon lens with the body and it came back perfect, spot on with center point. sigma on the other hand can not be used on this body anymore, MFA is no help, even sigma dock is useless. Front focus all the way.

I love sigma, I will keep it for a new canon body, or get SL1.

Does Sigma take canon body to calibrate their lenses? Does anybody know?

By the way I sent 70d to Virginia service center.
While I've never had to do it, I have read of a number of people sending their canon bodies along with their sigma lens to Sigma for calibration. The track record for getting good results this way seems very good.

Let us know if you do it and what results you get. I'm very curious to know whether the 70D and Sigma 18-35 can play nice together.
 
On my new 70D, Tamron 17-50mm lens all missed focus to near side. Canon 400mm F4 focus far side. Canon 400mm F5.6 and 100-400 works well.

I was ready to return the camera. But I calibrated the lens with focus problem with a ruler at 45 degrees and a paper with black/white lines to focus to the center of the ruler. The Canon 400F4 adjust to -7. The same lens with 1.4 attached -8. Took bird pictures at distance 20-100 yards. All focus right. much sharp than before.

The Tamron 17mm to +7 and 50mm to +13, works a lot better. sometime at low light will miss focus. Seems none canon lens will have some problem.

BTW all Canon lenses I have do not need macro adjustment on 5DIII. 5DIII does have a better focusing system.

Search youtube for calibrating camera to the lens.
HI... I also had problems with my 70d, 24 105 L attached... Upon reading this thread, I found out that something is common (to my own opinion of course), back and front focusing. At my first try with the new body, I felt great but the deeper I go to observe the performance, mis focusing (at a low level) is noticed... I tried to make adjustments too (W+5... T+7) and it went well, having sharper images, but yet not as sharp as at f6.3 when in f4... I think this is something Canon has to resolve. Just what they are doing right now in fixing autofocus problems with the 1 DX which I see is their priority at the moment... Hope they can fix problem with just a firmware update... Best regards to us all, 70d users. :-)
 
HI... I also had problems with my 70d, 24 105 L attached... Upon reading this thread, I found out that something is common (to my own opinion of course), back and front focusing. At my first try with the new body, I felt great but the deeper I go to observe the performance, mis focusing (at a low level) is noticed... I tried to make adjustments too (W+5... T+7) and it went well, having sharper images, but yet not as sharp as at f6.3 when in f4... I think this is something Canon has to resolve. Just what they are doing right now in fixing autofocus problems with the 1 DX which I see is their priority at the moment... Hope they can fix problem with just a firmware update...
How are your other lenses?

I use AI Servo with Back Button Focus for everything. AF acquisition, speed, and consistency with all of my lenses are all absolutely outstanding. Maybe give that a try.

Good luck,

R2
 
HI... I also had problems with my 70d, 24 105 L attached... Upon reading this thread, I found out that something is common (to my own opinion of course), back and front focusing. At my first try with the new body, I felt great but the deeper I go to observe the performance, mis focusing (at a low level) is noticed... I tried to make adjustments too (W+5... T+7) and it went well, having sharper images, but yet not as sharp as at f6.3 when in f4... I think this is something Canon has to resolve. Just what they are doing right now in fixing autofocus problems with the 1 DX which I see is their priority at the moment... Hope they can fix problem with just a firmware update...
How are your other lenses?

I use AI Servo with Back Button Focus for everything. AF acquisition, speed, and consistency with all of my lenses are all absolutely outstanding. Maybe give that a try.

Good luck,

R2

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The same with 70-300 and 50mm 1.8... 50mm has the worst one at 1.8... Thanks for the advice, Ill try it tomorrow...
 
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A lot of the comments on this thread ring true with my experience with the 70D thus far. It's a great camera, which you want to love, but has a maddening habit of not focusing correctly using the centre point. This has occurred using both a Canon 18-135STM and a Tamron 17-50 lens and, particularly but not exclusively, at the wide end,(interestingly I have no such problems with a Canon 70-300 IS and 60mm macro).

I have managed to eliminate the problem to a large extent using MF adjustment but am wondering, given the number of similar instances, if this is a generic problem which is occurring with some 70D's. If so, I also hope that Canon will take note and offer a solution (preferably in firmware) to the problem so as not to tarnish the reputation of what is undoubtably a great product.
 
A lot of the comments on this thread ring true with my experience with the 70D thus far. It's a great camera, which you want to love, but has a maddening habit of not focusing correctly using the centre point. This has occurred using both a Canon 18-135STM and a Tamron 17-50 lens and, particularly but not exclusively, at the wide end,(interestingly I have no such problems with a Canon 70-300 IS and 60mm macro).

I have managed to eliminate the problem to a large extent using MF adjustment but am wondering, given the number of similar instances, if this is a generic problem which is occurring with some 70D's. If so, I also hope that Canon will take note and offer a solution (preferably in firmware) to the problem so as not to tarnish the reputation of what is undoubtably a great product.
I agree with you. I want to love this camera, but I have the same problem.I'm thinking about returning it.
 
I have managed to eliminate the problem to a large extent using MF adjustment but am wondering, given the number of similar instances, if this is a generic problem which is occurring with some 70D's.
I think that you are right. It must only be happening with some bodies, as mine is incredibly accurate and consistent. I do only use AI Servo (with back button AF) though.

R2
 
It might be the kit lens that canon supplies (18-135 STM)

Looks at my post:


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I just bought Canon 70D with 18-135 STM (Kit)

Guess what, I did extensive experiments and here is what I concluded:

18mm - Horrendous front focusing issue.

Gradually reduces to almost none by 100mm.

Micro Focus adjustment that seem to fix it:

Wide: +5

Tele: 0

Try taking a picture with 18mm in room with objects in range approx 3 ft. all the way to 14 ft.

Focus (Use single center focus only) on farthest object.

Viola!! The image focuses best on the object that is close to you. It sounds ridiculous but almost 4-5 ft object is in focus.

SHAME on Canon!!!!

Did I say S..H..A..M..E... on Canon !!!!!!!!!

Why? Because I might be ok to live with this Microfocus Adjustment only if it worked in all modes.

No, it does not work in any "Auto" mode. Only works in P,Tv,Av,M Modes.

Guess what, the kit is going back!!

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Correction to my previous post:

It takes quite a few measurements and fine tuning to come up with exact correction for micro focus.

I settled for more like +7-8 not +5 as I mentioned earlier.
 
I think almost any lens, of any quality, can front focus or back focus. Your sample of the 18135 was worse than many, but not as bad as some - and I don't just mean 18135 lenses. Microfocus adjustment is our friend!
 
I am a bird photographer. New 70D with Canon 400 F4 at 15-30 yard on a single red shoulder hawk. central single focus point. none of 10 photos are sharp! Also focus to persons in 5 feet. took 40 pictures with 17-50 Tamron. all the image on the PC screen are blur. but the things in front of them are clear. these things are far away from the focus point. Very disappointed. Will return for refund.

Both lens works very well on my 7D and 5DIII. Sold 7D waiting for 7DII, but going to Affric in next month, that is why bought 70D.
Have you done some MFA or that was useless?

Roberto
 
I've the 18-135 STM, the 50 1.8 II and Sigma 18-35 1.8

With microadjustements got both canon to work

18-135 STM W:+3 T:+4, Focus +95%

50 1.8 II adj: +15, Focus +90%

Sigma even with microadj (Sigma USB Dock) couldn't get consistency over 60%. Just use Live View with it.

FoCal couldnt even finish calibration on the Sigma.
 
I've the 18-135 STM, the 50 1.8 II and Sigma 18-35 1.8

With microadjustements got both canon to work

18-135 STM W:+3 T:+4, Focus +95%

50 1.8 II adj: +15, Focus +90%
I suppose this is wide open. These results are good.
Sigma even with microadj (Sigma USB Dock) couldn't get consistency over 60%. Just use Live View with it.
Have you tried using AI servo even for static stuff with the Sigma?

Roberto

FoCal couldnt even finish calibration on the Sigma.
 
Same problem here in Pakistan, got it had severe problem with 18-135 STM, returned and got a new camera and that too had the same issue, severe front focus with viewfinder while LV was spot on. No confidence in 70D whatsoever

I tried 4 lenses at Canon shop and all were out at shorter lengths clearly means it was the camera I waited for a replacement to see if that one has the problem too. You might need to check at 18mm length because at 70-135 range it was spot on. And I tested with proper focus charts and was unable to find a suitable settings of MFA. Proved canon wrong got my money back and bought Nikon D7100. Its such a nice cam with so great video features but a big disappointment.
 
I think almost any lens, of any quality, can front focus or back focus. Your sample of the 18135 was worse than many, but not as bad as some - and I don't just mean 18135 lenses. Microfocus adjustment is our friend!

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I Agree,but again, the MFA does NOT work in auto mode. Only in P (not sure) ,Av,Tv,M modes.

Also the auto focus mode has large size issues. center focus (single point) works fine, even zone focus is mostly fine. If you are using 19-point automatic, only god be with you.
A clarification, don't get me wrong here. Camera says with highlighted point that it is focusing on the subject yet, the result comes out that it is not focused on that subject at all.
I think Canon messed up again. This camera is not for you if you ever want to use Full Auto mode, which may not be a big deal for some of us, most of us stuck with this camera before you realize this and your return period is over :(

So, Advice for you, DO NOT use AUTO mode.

Good Luck.
 
No worries - I never use Auto mode. My luck with the green rectangle indicating focus has been much better than yours. If I'm trying to shoot in a real hurry, the light and contrast are both low, then the rectangle fails occasionally - not often, but occasionally, as it (or a similar indicator) would on any camera. If I wait the split second for the rectangle to turn green, focus is almost certain.

Don't you think that any camera, regardless of make or model, fails to achieve auto focus once in a while? That what I think, and it seems to be the experience of others too.
 
I Agree,but again, the MFA does NOT work in auto mode. Only in P (not sure) ,Av,Tv,M modes.

Also the auto focus mode has large size issues. center focus (single point) works fine, even zone focus is mostly fine. If you are using 19-point automatic, only god be with you.

I think Canon messed up again. This camera is not for you if you ever want to use Full Auto mode, which may not be a big deal for some of us, most of us stuck with this camera before you realize this and your return period is over :(

So, Advice for you, DO NOT use AUTO mode.

Good Luck.
And my advice (which may seem a bit harsh) is, if you really want to use Auto mode all the time, don't bother with a DSLR. One fundamental issue (actually a real benefit) with larger sensor cameras vs. most point and shoots is that the DOF is much thinner. Auto mode works fine in a P&S because so much of the frame is in focus... any errors in the area that the camera chooses for focus are hidden because it's all basically sharp anyway. With the larger sensor comes thinner DOF. This makes errors in selecting the right focus point much more visible. Thinner DOF is a good thing... it enables you to isolate your subjects from the background rather than making the image appear cluttered. But you have to know how to control it using the settings you have available.

Allowing your camera to select where to focus based on it's "best guess" is asking for problems. If you must use a more automatic mode and would prefer not to learn the fundamentals of exposure, shutter speed, etc., then use P mode. At least there you'll have the ability to select a single focus point and control where the camera will focus.

So, bottom line, Canon didn't mess up in any way IMHO. I think purchasing the wrong tool for the job is more of an issue with the buyer.
 
I Agree,but again, the MFA does NOT work in auto mode. Only in P (not sure) ,Av,Tv,M modes.

Also the auto focus mode has large size issues. center focus (single point) works fine, even zone focus is mostly fine. If you are using 19-point automatic, only god be with you.

I think Canon messed up again. This camera is not for you if you ever want to use Full Auto mode, which may not be a big deal for some of us, most of us stuck with this camera before you realize this and your return period is over :(

So, Advice for you, DO NOT use AUTO mode.

Good Luck.
And my advice (which may seem a bit harsh) is, if you really want to use Auto mode all the time, don't bother with a DSLR. One fundamental issue (actually a real benefit) with larger sensor cameras vs. most point and shoots is that the DOF is much thinner. Auto mode works fine in a P&S because so much of the frame is in focus... any errors in the area that the camera chooses for focus are hidden because it's all basically sharp anyway. With the larger sensor comes thinner DOF. This makes errors in selecting the right focus point much more visible. Thinner DOF is a good thing... it enables you to isolate your subjects from the background rather than making the image appear cluttered. But you have to know how to control it using the settings you have available.

Allowing your camera to select where to focus based on it's "best guess" is asking for problems. If you must use a more automatic mode and would prefer not to learn the fundamentals of exposure, shutter speed, etc., then use P mode. At least there you'll have the ability to select a single focus point and control where the camera will focus.

So, bottom line, Canon didn't mess up in any way IMHO. I think purchasing the wrong tool for the job is more of an issue with the buyer.
I am perfectly happy with 70D as I hardly use Auto mode. I even use Manual Focus most of the time anyway. however, it is those times when your photo moments are quick and does not allow for enough time to use manual focus, I fall back to auto focus. And those are the moments you need your camera to work for you. I never said using it all the times. Whenever I use this camera (lately more, since it is new) I make sure not to use 19-point focus mode.

I get it that you are happy with your camera whatever canon model that is (I can guess it is not 70D), so am I.

I just want consumer to be aware that Canon did mess it up. If the focus point highlights and tells you that it is focusing on a subject while it is actually not, it is a problem. I want this thread to appear when they search on it. I am not talking about low light conditions either. All my experiments however were indoor and camera did not need focus flash.

Search keys : canon 70d problem issue problems issues 19 point 19-point multi point auto focus front focusing mfa micro focus adjustment 18-135 lens

Happy Snapping!
 
Can you other folks post some samples (with EXIF intact), and specific shooting info?
Any others still need help?

Durbantog?

rl833?

BrunoB99?

Twowheelsgood?

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Sure..gimme a hand

70D test shots

I took 10 shots in a row. On a nice day with no wind in my backyard. Target is 17' from camera.

Camera on a tripod, mirror lock up on, 2 second timer, remote electronic trigger.

Lens Canon 50 1.4 @ 1.4, Also have tried my Tamron 28-75 @ 2.8 and a Canon 85 @1.8. All show very close to the same results

All shots were raw, brought into LR5 and cropped, exported to JPG with zero changes.

Shots 1-5 in the order they were shot in. Through the viewfinder, Center focus point

Shots 6-10 were made in live view with ZERO changes made to the camera.

Only picture 6 is shown because 7-10 were identical.

I would love to not have to send my camera in.
 
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