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You guys complain too much... it's almost like you require the "perfect" camera to improve your photos, really?

I am quite liking what I am seeing for this MKII version of the G1X: faster lens (and 24mm), leaner body thanks to no OVF, touch screen, good minimum focus distance, simpler to use tilt screen...

Let's hope the AF is a bit faster.
 
biza43 said:
You guys complain too much... it's almost like you require the "perfect" camera to improve your photos, really?

I am quite liking what I am seeing for this MKII version of the G1X: faster lens (and 24mm), leaner body thanks to no OVF, touch screen, good minimum focus distance, simpler to use tilt screen...

Let's hope the AF is a bit faster.
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meland said:
biza43 said:
You guys complain too much... it's almost like you require the "perfect" camera to improve your photos, really?
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It's not complaining, every camera is a compromise, you just pick the features that suit your shooting best. As an example, if I can't use my UWA converter on the new version it won't work for me, the same with filters. I use mine mainly as a lightweight landscape and travel camera, speed of focusing isn't really an issue for me personally. For someone who wants to shoot more low light and isn't bothered about those things this camera might be better, it definitely won't tick the right boxes for everyone that's for sure.
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Member said:
I am quite liking what I am seeing for this MKII version of the G1X: faster lens (and 24mm), leaner body thanks to no OVF, touch screen, good minimum focus distance, simpler to use tilt screen...

Let's hope the AF is a bit faster.
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meland said:
biza43 said:
You guys complain too much... it's almost like you require the "perfect" camera to improve your photos, really?

I am quite liking what I am seeing for this MKII version of the G1X: faster lens (and 24mm), leaner body thanks to no OVF, touch screen, good minimum focus distance, simpler to use tilt screen...

Let's hope the AF is a bit faster.
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If you think so, or have you just taken it personally? But a question for you then, do they really need to parade their angst in public to work out whether the camera will work for them or not? Isn't it a bit sad that some people seem to get so wound up by a camera? Especially as the product hasn't even been announced yet.
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I don’t think anyone’s wound up. I’m not, though I think the design of the G1 X Mark II (why does Canon do this to names?!) is unappealing compared to the rare beauty of the G1 X: a camera that was so sparse and purposeful that just looking at it inspired me. The G1 X reminded me of the Land Rover Defender, another object that would be ruined by giving it generic lines.
 
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meland said:
biza43 said:
You guys complain too much... it's almost like you require the "perfect" camera to improve your photos, really?

I am quite liking what I am seeing for this MKII version of the G1X: faster lens (and 24mm), leaner body thanks to no OVF, touch screen, good minimum focus distance, simpler to use tilt screen...

Let's hope the AF is a bit faster.
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Marco Nero said:
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So yeah, I'm inclined to believe that the Cost difference was likely a driving factor. We're talking pennies and dollars here but by keeping costs (especially parts and R&D costs) down, it benefits the shareholders.
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The lens cover is surprising to me, I'm not sure how this will effect filters and/or a lens hood. The missing front scroll wheel is also a surprise, but perhaps the knurled lens base has an effect. I'm not so sure how this will affect the camera as a whole. No doubt Dp and Imaging Resource have one to play with and will put up first impressions within a few days after the proper announcement. All in all it looks useable to me, and if it has Canon flash control it would be a bonus. I am betting that with an EVF it will not be cheap.
 
IF this is true, I would rather buy an SL-1 - then I could use any of my 5 Canon lenses. This camera looks like a train wreck! And . . . why do we Need a New Rebel every year???
 
Rohith Thumati said:
Thanks for posting!

It may not be the prettiest thing, but it looks super interesting. It's the same thing as CR's image, except for the faux leather part of the grip and the lens barrel that doesn't end in space ;)

I don't mind a flip out LCD (versus vari-angle); my Olympus E-M5 has a similar screen and I'm happy with it, but I can understand others finding the vari-angle a necessity. I also don't mind the lack of built in OVF: I never liked the G series' OVF's, and I don't mind composing on a screen. I prefer an EVF, anyway, so an add on EVF works just fine for me.

The lack of dials (compared with the G1X M1) is disappointing; that was one of the best parts of the original. Hopefully the rear part of the barrel is a dial, like that on the S series cameras so the camera has 2 dials for manual control.

While I'm hoping, here's also hoping the AF speed, touchscreen (assuming), and EVF are competitive with those of my E-M5, that the image quality is at least as good as the current G1X's, and both the camera and EVF are reasonably affordable (I'll be happy if the camera alone comes out for $800, like the original G1X, given that lens). If so for all of those, it'll be the travel camera I've been looking for.

Enough speculation and hope - I'm really looking forward to getting final specs and reading the previews and reviews.
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I do agree that the supposed lack of dials is a step backwards as I think that was some of the draw for the mark I. Deleted comp dial would be a shame.

As far as the ring around the lens, I think the ring on the outside is for manual focus and the larger ring on the inside might be the same as the s95/s100/etc. Hopefully, it at least controls the aperture and maybe some other functions depending on settings.

Would have preferred a vari-angle screen instead of just a flip up and down screen.

Glad OVF is gone as I think OVF is going the way of the dodo bird. As I said in a previous post (flame suit on), I put OVF in the same category as a manual transmission. Many old school folks prefer the OVF just like many old school folks prefer a manual transmission. Some first gen EVF were not that great just like the first gen single clutch automated manuals (they were very jerky.) Now many EVF's on the market are performing quite well with the data they provide and crisp display of the picture, it's hard to not want to use an EVF similar to how the double clutch transmissions now are so awesome that Ferrari doesn't even offer manual transmissions anymore. Ferrari said if you want a manual get over it and buy a used Ferrari. Porsche doesn't even offer it on their GT3 anymore and said you buy a GT3 to go fast and if you want to go fast, you're gonna need a double clutch. It's just the way of technology.
 
I think I have the math correct? Having a 12.5mm- 62.5mm with a 1.5" sensor would mean the following in terms of Depth of Field:

CROP - 16-80MM f/2.4-4.7 (compared to RX100: 18-65mm f/3.2-8.8)
FF - 24-120mm f/3.6-7.0 (compared to RX100: 28-100mm f/4.9-13.2)

This is a groundbreaking development if the sensor is indeed 1.5" and the specs are real, which they appear to be.

As a RX100, I *love* having f/1.8 at 28mm for video and for low light shots, but having f/4.9 at 100mm equivalent was not great for portraits (FF DOF Equivalent = f/13.2).

This G1X II has f/3.9 at 120mm... meaning a f/7 FF DOF Equivalent!. Pretty amazing DOF capability from a compact built-in-lens camera. If you put a 70-300mm lens on a 1.5x crop DSLR, you are getting about f/6 or f/7 at 120mm equiv. Pretty darned good!

If the initial reviews are good and the Video is not crazy with moire, I might switch from the RX100 II. I know the G1x is larger, but I really don't put the RX100 II on my pocket anyway... I usually have a small belt case.

Either way, this appears to be a really awesome advancement for Canon and for compact cameras all around!
 
halfmonkey said:
Rohith Thumati said:
Thanks for posting!

It may not be the prettiest thing, but it looks super interesting. It's the same thing as CR's image, except for the faux leather part of the grip and the lens barrel that doesn't end in space ;)

I don't mind a flip out LCD (versus vari-angle); my Olympus E-M5 has a similar screen and I'm happy with it, but I can understand others finding the vari-angle a necessity. I also don't mind the lack of built in OVF: I never liked the G series' OVF's, and I don't mind composing on a screen. I prefer an EVF, anyway, so an add on EVF works just fine for me.

The lack of dials (compared with the G1X M1) is disappointing; that was one of the best parts of the original. Hopefully the rear part of the barrel is a dial, like that on the S series cameras so the camera has 2 dials for manual control.

While I'm hoping, here's also hoping the AF speed, touchscreen (assuming), and EVF are competitive with those of my E-M5, that the image quality is at least as good as the current G1X's, and both the camera and EVF are reasonably affordable (I'll be happy if the camera alone comes out for $800, like the original G1X, given that lens). If so for all of those, it'll be the travel camera I've been looking for.

Enough speculation and hope - I'm really looking forward to getting final specs and reading the previews and reviews.
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I do agree that the supposed lack of dials is a step backwards as I think that was some of the draw for the mark I. Deleted comp dial would be a shame.

As far as the ring around the lens, I think the ring on the outside is for manual focus and the larger ring on the inside might be the same as the s95/s100/etc. Hopefully, it at least controls the aperture and maybe some other functions depending on settings.

Would have preferred a vari-angle screen instead of just a flip up and down screen.

Glad OVF is gone as I think OVF is going the way of the dodo bird. As I said in a previous post (flame suit on), I put OVF in the same category as a manual transmission. Many old school folks prefer the OVF just like many old school folks prefer a manual transmission. Some first gen EVF were not that great just like the first gen single clutch automated manuals (they were very jerky.) Now many EVF's on the market are performing quite well with the data they provide and crisp display of the picture, it's hard to not want to use an EVF similar to how the double clutch transmissions now are so awesome that Ferrari doesn't even offer manual transmissions anymore. Ferrari said if you want a manual get over it and buy a used Ferrari. Porsche doesn't even offer it on their GT3 anymore and said you buy a GT3 to go fast and if you want to go fast, you're gonna need a double clutch. It's just the way of technology.
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Or is also that many drivers in the USA and also in large emerging markets like China have never learned to drive anything other than an automatic? And since, as a result of the two largest markets not requiring manuals, the economics of just producing one type of gearbox is the deciding factor and bugger anyone who happens to enjoy the tactile experience of a manual gear change.

But back to cameras - a good OVF is still a wondrous thing to compose through, even when compared with the very best EVFs. I don't think necessarily you have to 'old school' to appreciate that. In fact if you do take the trouble to demonstrate to some 'youngsters' what it's like to view and compose through a bright and high magnification OVF invariably they think it's brilliant and become hooked.
 
ohcello said:
I think I have the math correct?
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Almost. Comparing actual FL and equivalent FL shows that the crop factor is 1.92x, so DoF wide open is app. the same as with a 24-120mm, f/3.8-7.5 lens on FF.
ohcello said:
Having a 12.5mm- 62.5mm with a 1.5" sensor would mean the following in terms of Depth of Field:

CROP - 16-80MM f/2.4-4.7 (compared to RX100: 18-65mm f/3.2-8.8)
FF - 24-120mm f/3.6-7.0 (compared to RX100: 28-100mm f/4.9-13.2)

This is a groundbreaking development if the sensor is indeed 1.5" and the specs are real, which they appear to be.

As a RX100, I *love* having f/1.8 at 28mm for video and for low light shots, but having f/4.9 at 100mm equivalent was not great for portraits (FF DOF Equivalent = f/13.2).

This G1X II has f/3.9 at 120mm... meaning a f/7 FF DOF Equivalent!. Pretty amazing DOF capability from a compact built-in-lens camera. If you put a 70-300mm lens on a 1.5x crop DSLR, you are getting about f/6 or f/7 at 120mm equiv. Pretty darned good!

If the initial reviews are good and the Video is not crazy with moire, I might switch from the RX100 II. I know the G1x is larger, but I really don't put the RX100 II on my pocket anyway... I usually have a small belt case.

Either way, this appears to be a really awesome advancement for Canon and for compact cameras all around!
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Also noted is the lack of an adjustment wheel on the front of the camera, for adjusting aperture/shutter speed
 
frameman said:
The lens cover is surprising to me, I'm not sure how this will effect filters and/or a lens hood. The missing front scroll wheel is also a surprise, but perhaps the knurled lens base has an effect. I'm not so sure how this will affect the camera as a whole. No doubt Dp and Imaging Resource have one to play with and will put up first impressions within a few days after the proper announcement. All in all it looks useable to me, and if it has Canon flash control it would be a bonus. I am betting that with an EVF it will not be cheap.
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Well, I still remember the large number of people (some reviewers included) that complained about the G1X lens cap, and how it was easy to loose it... can´t please everybody, I suppose...

Personally, with present day technology, the add on EVF on top of the cameras should not be a necessity any longer; Canon could have chosen a similar approach to Panasonic's GX7, by placing the EVF in the left hand side of the camera. It would have make the camera more expensive, but...
 
If the new G1X II really delivers the 24-120mm 2.0-3.9 lens and the same 1.5 crop sensor, that's really impressive. The convenience alone could switch me from my m4/3 gear. No lens caps, no switching lenses, ultimately smaller package. I'd lose a little DOF control, but not enough to worry about. Come on Canon, make it good!
 
David Hurt said:
IF this is true, I would rather buy an SL-1 - then I could use any of my 5 Canon lenses. This camera looks like a train wreck! And . . . why do we Need a New Rebel every year???
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And your point is? Were you expecting to buy the G1X MKII to use your 5 Canon lenses??? These are very different cameras we are talking about...
 
Yes people did complain, and understandable, my thinking is that this will be a large compact camera lens, and it has always been said that there is a size limit to which one can fitted. On the G1X one could fit a hood and or filters, something which I thougth was usefull perhaps the auto lens cap might negate that, as there doesn't look like an alternative method to fit a filter. Yo are so right on the GX7, I was hoping for a Canon made GX7 too. Never mind.
 
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