Canon G1X M2 pics....?

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Ergonomics is a very important part of modern design. Canon are no longer surrounded by two or three competitors any more. There's almost a dozen sellers competing for your dollar. Now it would seem that they are barely putting any effort in to design something beautiful and simultaneously functional. Remember that their sales will be influenced greatly by people who won't care about technical features which they won't understand. They'll see this camera in the window or in a catalog and they'll buy it for its visible appeal. Be honest: If you came across the "perfect camera" for your personal uses and yet it was as ugly as sin, you'd seriously reconsider it. In this generation, people are more often influenced more by attractive design than the benefits or function of the device. This is the secret to Apple Computers' success. But Canon seem to be cutting corners again. Let's see what else this camera offers when/if announced tomorrow.
Interesting. Internally the feedback that Canon has been getting is that the G1X is generally considered a bit too industrial in terms of design and that has been one of the reasons why some potential buyers have not chosen it.
Probably true. this is why I think the first G1X looked so handsome from the front. Not that it matters the most , but still

But I like my cameras to be discreet . This is why I love the looks of Ricoh GXR, GR and sigma DPM

I am fully aware that , once again , I am part of the minority ;)

Harold
 
Assuming that the new version is it and that it is roughly the same size as the G1X, if one compares the distance from the top of the camera to the lens mount then one can see why the viewfinder has gone. From that I can but also assume that the lens specs could well be right and that the sensor remains roughly the same size. Again, also, the EVF makes perfect sense. I personaly like the look of the new offering (if that is it), what a camera looks like means nothing to the IQ but does have an effect on the ergonomics, but if the IQ is better than the G1X then thats what really counts. I am doubtfull about the lens shield, it might negate filters and is not that good a protection anyway. Now here is the rub, cost, add on costs and IQ. Tomorrow will tell just how well Canon have worked an already good camera and how much they have listened, after all Fuji have listened well.
 
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Most definitely, if the IQ was as good or better, I wouldn't buy any if it wasn't as least as good. I prefer the tilt out waist finder type lcd but I don't mind this type of fully articulating model, both are better than a fixed lcd for me.
Same here. I used that twist LCD to capture shots of the Night Sky, to shoot objects, plants and animals where I had to twist the camera into some odd places... and especially Macro Shots where I had to hold the camnera close to the ground. It was always a big winner on this camera. I remember when the G7 came out and the LCD was only a fixed screen - boy, were people annoyed!!!! Tilt is better than nothing at all... but that Vari-Angle LCD from Canon is one of their top selling points and something other manufacturers were often keen to emulate. I suspect that there was a patent in place that gave Canon and Nikon a lead with this LCD.
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Word around here is that the new Mk2 has a 5cm minimum focus distance. This is when you really have a need for the Vari-Angle LCD.


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I shoot a lot of wide angle stuff and I have a very good UWA converter for my G1X (which I really hope will fit the G1X Mk2!) so a fixed LCD is a real pain, thankfully the new model hasn't got one.

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Tony
 
The G1X and its twist LCD screen was an essential combination for much of my work.

The G1X and its twist LCD screen was an essential combination for much of my work.

The resulting Picture

The resulting Picture

Another G1X low angle. This is where the Flip LCD really came in handy... shooting Mushrooms!

Another G1X low angle. This is where the Flip LCD really came in handy... shooting Mushrooms!

And the resulting shot.

And the resulting shot.

G1X: Good luck getting these sorts of shots with the same amount of ease.

G1X: Good luck getting these sorts of shots with the same amount of ease.

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Couldn't you have achieved all of those shots with just an angled LCD? OK, I appreciate a vari angled screen is going to be ultimately more flexible for a percentage of users but maybe there are reasons for not going with it that we don't know about yet?
 
ok so we haven't seen the official release yet but I guess these are the true images......

how can they drop the single most G-series defining aspect, the vari angle screen?

Now that they have adapted lens /sensor etc to accommodate macro.. they drop the nr.1 macro-facilitating feature of a tilt-swivel screen?

hahahah man, Canon really know how to disappoint.

Even if it has a tiltscreen, it isn't the same. Try taking vertical shots at odd angles.. impossible. Complete vari angle also makes it MUCH easier to avoid sun-glare, and no, it doesn't weigh much more. absurd.

shame canon, once again.
 
Most definitely, if the IQ was as good or better, I wouldn't buy any if it wasn't as least as good. I prefer the tilt out waist finder type lcd but I don't mind this type of fully articulating model, both are better than a fixed lcd for me.
Same here. I used that twist LCD to capture shots of the Night Sky, to shoot objects, plants and animals where I had to twist the camera into some odd places... and especially Macro Shots where I had to hold the camnera close to the ground. It was always a big winner on this camera. I remember when the G7 came out and the LCD was only a fixed screen - boy, were people annoyed!!!! Tilt is better than nothing at all... but that Vari-Angle LCD from Canon is one of their top selling points and something other manufacturers were often keen to emulate. I suspect that there was a patent in place that gave Canon and Nikon a lead with this LCD.
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Word around here is that the new Mk2 has a 5cm minimum focus distance. This is when you really have a need for the Vari-Angle LCD.

The G1X and its twist LCD screen was an essential combination for much of my work.

The G1X and its twist LCD screen was an essential combination for much of my work.

The resulting Picture

The resulting Picture

Another G1X low angle. This is where the Flip LCD really came in handy... shooting Mushrooms!

Another G1X low angle. This is where the Flip LCD really came in handy... shooting Mushrooms!

And the resulting shot.

And the resulting shot.

G1X: Good luck getting these sorts of shots with the same amount of ease.

G1X: Good luck getting these sorts of shots with the same amount of ease.

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Regards,
Marco Nero.
www.pbase.com/nero_design


Thanks for posting. My sentiments exactly.

Canon are massochists. Depressing.
 
Couldn't you have achieved all of those shots with just an angled LCD? OK, I appreciate a vari angled screen is going to be ultimately more flexible for a percentage of users but maybe there are reasons for not going with it that we don't know about yet?
When shooting close to the ground, a flip-LCD screen enables you to adjust for reflections and bright light much more than a tilt screen. Sometimes when shooting on a narrow surface it's necessary to flip the screen to the side and if shooting a model (human) it's great to be able to flip the screen around and show them the results or to ask them to adjust. I think that any mechanical parts requiring power risk damage from wear to the electrical wiring, especially where twisting and flexing occur. That said, I've only seen one LCD requite a repair for this kind of damage and it was a non-Canon video camera. Surely it's less expensive to have a completely fixed screen like the G7. But that twist LCD was always a big seller for Canon and is very popular with new users and old die-hards.

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The new camera has a tilt-and-slide LCD. This appears to be enabled to allow the user to take selfies or tilt the screen for shooting in crowds overhead. I'm not sure if it tilts the other way - to allow the user to look down at it - but I would assume it does. It it's a touch screen, this might account for the need to make such a solid, glossy LCD screen.

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Regards,
Marco Nero.
www.pbase.com/nero_design

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Regards,
Marco Nero.
www.pbase.com/nero_design
 
The G1X and its twist LCD screen was an essential combination for much of my work.

The G1X and its twist LCD screen was an essential combination for much of my work.

The resulting Picture

The resulting Picture

Another G1X low angle. This is where the Flip LCD really came in handy... shooting Mushrooms!

Another G1X low angle. This is where the Flip LCD really came in handy... shooting Mushrooms!

And the resulting shot.

And the resulting shot.

G1X: Good luck getting these sorts of shots with the same amount of ease.

G1X: Good luck getting these sorts of shots with the same amount of ease.

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Couldn't you have achieved all of those shots with just an angled LCD? OK, I appreciate a vari angled screen is going to be ultimately more flexible for a percentage of users but maybe there are reasons for not going with it that we don't know about yet?


The only reason is that the simpler flip screen is cheaper. That's Canon focusing on squeezing out max $$ instead of providing photographic percs. Short-sighted
 
The G1X and its twist LCD screen was an essential combination for much of my work.

The G1X and its twist LCD screen was an essential combination for much of my work.

The resulting Picture

The resulting Picture

Another G1X low angle. This is where the Flip LCD really came in handy... shooting Mushrooms!

Another G1X low angle. This is where the Flip LCD really came in handy... shooting Mushrooms!

And the resulting shot.

And the resulting shot.

G1X: Good luck getting these sorts of shots with the same amount of ease.

G1X: Good luck getting these sorts of shots with the same amount of ease.

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Couldn't you have achieved all of those shots with just an angled LCD? OK, I appreciate a vari angled screen is going to be ultimately more flexible for a percentage of users but maybe there are reasons for not going with it that we don't know about yet?
The only reason is that the simpler flip screen is cheaper. That's Canon focusing on squeezing out max $$ instead of providing photographic percs. Short-sighted
That is quite a big assumption actually. Can you substantiate it?
 
Looks decent. Vari-angle screen is gone! Hope that screen flips 180 degrees. The 1.5" sensor is still there, with fast lens!
Comparing the actual FL and the equivalent FL on G1x and G1x2 shows that the crop factor is a bit higher on G1x2 (1.92x vs 1.85x), so the sensor size is a (tiny) bit smaller, and seems that the MP count is a bit lower too. Hope that the aspect ratio still is 4:3, but the LCD looks more like 3:2.
It shoots both

4:3 gives you 4160 x 3120 pixels

3:2 gives you 4352 x 2904 pixels
 
What do you think is cheaper?

a screen that has a 1-axis mechanism and is supported at several points

or one that has a 2-axis mechanism but only has 1 support
 
What do you think is cheaper?

a screen that has a 1-axis mechanism and is supported at several points

or one that has a 2-axis mechanism but only has 1 support
Depends if you are comparing like with like But what if it has touchscreen functionality? Which is difficult to implement on a tilt and swivel screen.
 
Looks decent. Vari-angle screen is gone! Hope that screen flips 180 degrees. The 1.5" sensor is still there, with fast lens!
Comparing the actual FL and the equivalent FL on G1x and G1x2 shows that the crop factor is a bit higher on G1x2 (1.92x vs 1.85x), so the sensor size is a (tiny) bit smaller, and seems that the MP count is a bit lower too. Hope that the aspect ratio still is 4:3, but the LCD looks more like 3:2.
It shoots both

4:3 gives you 4160 x 3120 pixels

3:2 gives you 4352 x 2904 pixels
Yes, that was a nice surprise.

4:3 = 13.0mp (14.2mp on G1x)

3:2 = 12.6mp

App. 13mp is OK, but would have preferred a bit more (like 16-20mp).
 
Looks decent. Vari-angle screen is gone! Hope that screen flips 180 degrees. The 1.5" sensor is still there, with fast lens!
Comparing the actual FL and the equivalent FL on G1x and G1x2 shows that the crop factor is a bit higher on G1x2 (1.92x vs 1.85x), so the sensor size is a (tiny) bit smaller, and seems that the MP count is a bit lower too. Hope that the aspect ratio still is 4:3, but the LCD looks more like 3:2.
It shoots both

4:3 gives you 4160 x 3120 pixels

3:2 gives you 4352 x 2904 pixels
Yes, that was a nice surprise.

4:3 = 13.0mp (14.2mp on G1x)

3:2 = 12.6mp

App. 13mp is OK, but would have preferred a bit more (like 16-20mp).
Agree, even 20MP would be desirable on 1.5" sensor. As opposed to Sony RX100/RX10, where I think the pixels are too dense and that hurts the noise levels (comparisons with the original G1X prove it).
 
What do you think is cheaper?

a screen that has a 1-axis mechanism and is supported at several points

or one that has a 2-axis mechanism but only has 1 support
Depends if you are comparing like with like But what if it has touchscreen functionality? Which is difficult to implement on a tilt and swivel screen.
This makes me think you haven't tried one. Go to a shop and handle a couple of 2-axis swivel cameras with touchscreen:

for example

Canon 70d

Canon 700d

Samsung NX-30

Nikon 5300

Panasonic G6
 
If that lens delivers like the G1X version and it operates a bit quicker overall I'm in, if not forget it, I'm not prepared to sacrifice the IQ of the G1X, it's what makes the camera for me.
Same here... I really need to see if the Image Quality of any G1X successor exceeds that of the original G1X. but would you buy THIS version of the G1X?

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www.pbase.com/nero_design
Much prefer the tilty type.



The new mkii looks very nice indeed.
 
What do you think is cheaper?

a screen that has a 1-axis mechanism and is supported at several points

or one that has a 2-axis mechanism but only has 1 support
Depends if you are comparing like with like But what if it has touchscreen functionality? Which is difficult to implement on a tilt and swivel screen.
This makes me think you haven't tried one. Go to a shop and handle a couple of 2-axis swivel cameras with touchscreen:

for example

Canon 70d

Canon 700d

Samsung NX-30

Nikon 5300

Panasonic G6
It's a question of cost.
 
What do you think is cheaper?

a screen that has a 1-axis mechanism and is supported at several points

or one that has a 2-axis mechanism but only has 1 support
Depends if you are comparing like with like But what if it has touchscreen functionality? Which is difficult to implement on a tilt and swivel screen.
This makes me think you haven't tried one. Go to a shop and handle a couple of 2-axis swivel cameras with touchscreen:

for example

Canon 70d

Canon 700d

Samsung NX-30

Nikon 5300

Panasonic G6
I've used both. Vastly prefer the flippy LCD over vari-angle.

You never answered Melands question (which was mine) -- do you have anything to back-up the assertion that the only reason the flippy LCD is in there is to save costs.

Also, why is it assumed to be cheaper than vari-angle? It's actually a complicated set of mechanisms, especially given the selfie-option over the top (which for me, is a waste, but there you go).
 
I've used both. Vastly prefer the flippy LCD over vari-angle.

You never answered Melands question (which was mine) -- do you have anything to back-up the assertion that the only reason the flippy LCD is in there is to save costs.

Also, why is it assumed to be cheaper than vari-angle? It's actually a complicated set of mechanisms, especially given the selfie-option over the top (which for me, is a waste, but there you go).
I'll chime in here... I remember that Sony used the Tilt-LCD screens on some of their cameras because of costs in the mid-2000s. On a Still camera (non-video), Canon appeared to own the Patents for Flip-Vari-Angle-LCDs and refused to part with the Patent or share it with the other camera manufacturers... the same as their Optical Image Stabilizers (which forced the other manufacturers to come up with their inferior "Anti-Shake" stabilization method.

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So yeah, I'm inclined to believe that the Cost difference was likely a driving factor. We're talking pennies and dollars here but by keeping costs (especially parts and R&D costs) down, it benefits the shareholders.
 

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