BackroadsTraveler
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Good point. When copying files to one of my external HD's, I always open several of them on completion to insure they are actually there and intact.
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How do you store your photos?
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happysnapper64
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I have been reccomended a cloud service called Kabboodle. Just downloaded everything from my laptop! I think I may buy another laptop exclusively for my photos.
Leonard Migliore
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But I would be exceedingly apprehensive about putting my images in the "cloud". Around here, clouds often disappear into nothing. Sometimes they hold your uploads hostage.
Laptops are a poor place to put data. They have small hard drives and get banged around a lot. And laptop screens are not really good to examine or edit digital images. So I'm not sure what you want to do with that other laptop.
Right now, hard drives are the place to store files. Multiple hard drives.
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Basalite
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Phyisically: Short term and medium term I store my files on my computer and Time Machine backup. Long term, the best files go on Blu-Ray, and soon to M-Disc. The rest get deleted.
Management: Lightroom 5. Organized mostly by date. Some keywords here and there. Nothing complicated.
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Internal hard disk, external HD, and dvd..
It may be that you did not go through the OS when you were removing the drive. If you ( or anyone ) uses an external hard drive you must tell the operating system that you are going to remove the drive. This lets the OS flush all the pending data operations to the drive and when it has done that it will tell you it is safe to remove the drive.
You can also drag and drop in a way that creates shortcuts to files ( links ), rather than copying the files themselves.
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with subfolders for jpg, raw, mts and pp.
You can set LR to import without copying and export as a subfolder of the original location. Then you can have a master drive for working on and make as many backups as you want. I have around 1.2tb of pics and videos currently and can find images very rapidly going back 15 years, either by date search or description.
Recommend you get it in order asap before you have a hdd fail and lose it all :-(
You can set LR to import without copying and export as a subfolder of the original location. Then you can have a master drive for working on and make as many backups as you want. I have around 1.2tb of pics and videos currently and can find images very rapidly going back 15 years, either by date search or description.
Recommend you get it in order asap before you have a hdd fail and lose it all :-(
BG454
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Your pictures are not "kept in Lightroom" - Lightroom only stores a reference to where your pictures are located, not the pictures themselves. You can backup the Lightroom catalog, but you are not backing up your image files.
Backing up to a different partition on the same hard drive is almost like not backing up at all, since in the event of drive failure, you stand to lose both the original and the backup.
The only true way to backup is to another, completely separate drive.
Since you seem to be confused as to how Lightroom manages files, may I suggest you take a look at the "Lightroom backup strategies " video by Julieanne Kost, which hopefully should clarify file management to you, and give you some suggestions as to the backup strategy that is best for you.
Absolutely. Get at least two (my preference is for 3) external drives, and maintain regular backups of all your files, using a file backup program. I'm on a PC, so I don't know what file backup programs are available for the Mac.
After downloading onto my main hard drive from a memory card, I add all my personal info, copyright, title and keywords etc. in Lightroom.
I then backup those files, using a file backup program, not "drag and drop," to three USB external drives and a removable, caddy mounted drive.
Call me paranoid, but that's the system I trust.
I verify all the backups, and only then do I think about deleting them from the memory card.
I also keep a backup of my Lightroom catalog on the caddy mounted drive.
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Carsten Pauer 2
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OK, sounds bad.
That is bad, i can read all my burned Disks + over 30 Years old Audio CDs.
Same for some Disks We have willfully Scratched very badly on the Floor with Shoes.
The Important Part of a Disk is the Reflective Layer.
Is this Part is Damaged, the Disk is unreadable.
I have saved in the past my Data on a MOD, but this is a very bad Storage System.
Because when You push with Your Fingers on the MOD-Case while the MOD is in the Drive running, the MO-Drive Head crashes on the MOD and the MOD is dead.
So i have abandonment my MO-Drive and all my MODs forever.
Since this Accident i use still Disks for long Term Storage.
Great, my old HDs from 10-15 Years ago are Dying every 2-3 Years or so.
So, HDs are not really save for Memory Storage, same for this DPReview-Editor !!!
The biggest Problem is to save the big amount of Data to a External Disk or other Memory Space.
Now with 4K Video and so on i still missing a Disk with a Capacity of around 2-4TB.
Where is the HVD Today ?
digitalshooter
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Well, if nothing else I've learned that some people take backing up photos hell'a seriously. I'm certainly sold on the 'don't backup to a partition' idea though.
As a preliminary plan, what say you to a shiny new hard drive now, preferably Thunderbolt but likely USB 3 because of the expense, for backups but nothing more. I'm super-slow at editing so I really don't take many photos and delete a lot of them. Seeing as I'll be looking at a 1TB SSD, I'll store images and catalogue on the laptop itself, with regular backups to the shiny new external hard drive. I'll keep my slightly ageing external hard drive that I use currently as ultra deep-storage to be used rarely if at all, with occasional photo library backups.
PS I've also started tentatively storing some photos on amazon S3. Any experience with this?
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As a preliminary plan, what say you to a shiny new hard drive now, preferably Thunderbolt but likely USB 3 because of the expense, for backups but nothing more. I'm super-slow at editing so I really don't take many photos and delete a lot of them. Seeing as I'll be looking at a 1TB SSD, I'll store images and catalogue on the laptop itself, with regular backups to the shiny new external hard drive. I'll keep my slightly ageing external hard drive that I use currently as ultra deep-storage to be used rarely if at all, with occasional photo library backups.
PS I've also started tentatively storing some photos on amazon S3. Any experience with this?
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backing up your images has a lot to do how much you value them and how "Treasurable" they are.If you snap around ordinary images by the ton and wouldn't feel it a loss if they were wiped out by some qirk of fate,fine!
If you did care any more than that a double back up on two different external disks kept in two different places is the least and the best practice. :-D
If you did care any more than that a double back up on two different external disks kept in two different places is the least and the best practice. :-D
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dwight3
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(From http://www.mdisc.com):
"M-DISC™ is the only data storage solution to withstand rigorous testing by the U.S. Department of Defense. Even today’s leading archival optical discs weren’t up to the challenge. M-DISC™ is resistant to extreme conditions of light, temperature, humidity and more. M-DISC™ cannot be overwritten, erased or corrupted by natural processes. Best of all, it’s compatible with any DVD drive, so you can access your data anywhere, anytime."
There's one thing I didn't see there that it resists: Technology advances.
Suppose something like this had been invented 30 years ago when people were using 8" floppy disks? Who will be making m-disk readers 50 years from now. The disks might well be in great shape, but you have to go to a museum to find someone to extract the data.
dwight3
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That sounds good for a start. The 1TByte drives are fairly inexpensive. But remember to back up everything, not just your photos. Include your emails if that's important to you.
I generally put downloaded programs into a "Program Installation" folder on the main drive and back them up too. It puts them all in one place in case the computer crashes and I have to reconstruct things.
You can think about backing up your backups later. First things first.
I don't have experience with cloud storage. I'm wary of relinquishing control over my files to someone else, not because of privacy issues, but because I don't have control over how secure they are. Also, I get the impression that annual fees for cloud storage rival or exceed purchase of external hard drives, at least in the long term.
I do use Dropbox, but I only have the free level account. All I use it for is to transfer large files or folders to other people and for come convenience in making some of my files available to my smartphone.
I strongly recommend you do not assume the OS has completed flushing data to an external drive. I recommend always using the simple "safely remove drive" option the OS presents you.
Just because a drive seems to have finished doing things does not mean the OS has finished flushing data. The OS may simply be diverted to other issues it has scheduled higher than the outstanding data transfers. The "safely remove" mechanism is there for a reason.
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Basalite
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Why are you telling me? I know exactly what it does.
Does that really need pointing out? That affects all digital storage methods.
You mean like CDs, which is essentially the same thing and was "invented 30 years ago?"
What hard drive of today is going to be working 50 years from now? :-D
The fact is, you burn an M-Disc and it is worry free storage until the next big tech advance forces a transition. Back up to hard drives and cross your fingers the stupid thing will even spin up the next year.
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Carsten Pauer 2
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Nice, but it is a Fact too that M-Disc:
- are to Expensive.
- have to little Capacity.
- Needs to much Space for this Capacity.
But i Think, for a tiny amount of important E-Mails, the M-Disc is good enough for some Peoples.
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