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No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!

im nit homeless or starving, I know my issues are tiny compared to what many have in the world, but....

why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, plus I've started shooting video (bands and weddings). Yep, one of those people. I have a Canon 6D, and a tired old 5DII. It needs replacing as a back up. So, here's where the problem starts. I have a limited budget, I can sell the 5DII and 24-105, plus my rarely used GX7. I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.

The options: Sony A7 + 35mm and adaptor for my Canon lenses. Ticks the boxes of video and family time, but is the AF good enough for a weddings? I've not come across many togs using it at weddings yet...

Another 6D: ticks the back up option and video, but not the family time

Canon 70D + Sigma 18-35 1.8: See above...

Fuji X-T1: ticks the wedding backup box, ticks the family/hobby box but the video on Fuji's is apparently quite average

I don't spect an answer (tho thoughts are welcome of course), guess I just wanted to write it down.

I'm favouring the Sony option at the moment. I will go to London and try them all in a week I think.

Gav
 
cheddargav said:
No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!
why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, ... I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.
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Sorry, not sympathizing with the rant. I mean, I can understand why you'd want something that does everything. But why should pro tools have to handle personal use ?

Back when I was married, our wedding photographer shot Hassleblad medium format gear. And used Minolta SLRs for personal use. Limo drivers don't use their stretches for trips to the grocery store.

If you need a camera for work, buy a camera for work. And buy a camera for personal use. Get an SL1 if you want to use your Canon lenses. There are dirt cheap clearance kits available. Get a Sony RX100 and be happy with a camera that fits in your pants pocket ! (You'd be far from the only one doing that).

- Dennis
 
cheddargav said:
No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!

im nit homeless or starving, I know my issues are tiny compared to what many have in the world, but....

why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, plus I've started shooting video (bands and weddings). Yep, one of those people. I have a Canon 6D, and a tired old 5DII. It needs replacing as a back up. So, here's where the problem starts. I have a limited budget, I can sell the 5DII and 24-105, plus my rarely used GX7. I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.

The options: Sony A7 + 35mm and adaptor for my Canon lenses. Ticks the boxes of video and family time, but is the AF good enough for a weddings? I've not come across many togs using it at weddings yet...

Another 6D: ticks the back up option and video, but not the family time

Canon 70D + Sigma 18-35 1.8: See above...

Fuji X-T1: ticks the wedding backup box, ticks the family/hobby box but the video on Fuji's is apparently quite average

I don't spect an answer (tho thoughts are welcome of course), guess I just wanted to write it down.

I'm favouring the Sony option at the moment. I will go to London and try them all in a week I think.

Gav

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Apparently Canon are about to release the G2X, the rumours on that sound good.

Perhaps you should not mix work equipment with home equipment. Get another 6D for work and any of a number of cool small compacts or mirrorless cameras for home. The RX100 is definitely high on the list but what about staying with Canon and going for a G15 or a run out G1X.

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Dennis said:
cheddargav said:
No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!

why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, ... I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.
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Sorry, not sympathizing with the rant. I mean, I can understand why you'd want something that does everything. But why should pro tools have to handle personal use ?

Back when I was married, our wedding photographer shot Hassleblad medium format gear. And used Minolta SLRs for personal use. Limo drivers don't use their stretches for trips to the grocery store.

If you need a camera for work, buy a camera for work. And buy a camera for personal use. Get an SL1 if you want to use your Canon lenses. There are dirt cheap clearance kits available. Get a Sony RX100 and be happy with a camera that fits in your pants pocket ! (You'd be far from the only one doing that).

- Dennis
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cheddargav said:
No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!

im nit homeless or starving, I know my issues are tiny compared to what many have in the world, but....

why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, plus I've started shooting video (bands and weddings). Yep, one of those people. I have a Canon 6D, and a tired old 5DII. It needs replacing as a back up. So, here's where the problem starts. I have a limited budget, I can sell the 5DII and 24-105, plus my rarely used GX7. I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.

The options: Sony A7 + 35mm and adaptor for my Canon lenses. Ticks the boxes of video and family time, but is the AF good enough for a weddings? I've not come across many togs using it at weddings yet...
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No. Too loud by far and "Autofocus can be hesitant, especially in low light," per DPR review. You can't afford to blow a shot in low light.
cheddargav said:
Another 6D: ticks the back up option and video, but not the family time
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Bingo. How can anyone do professional quality weddings without two identical cameras with long and medium zooms? I just don't get that. I'm not sure why a 6D isn't qualified for "family time." Perhaps you'll enlighten us.
cheddargav said:
Canon 70D + Sigma 18-35 1.8: See above...

Fuji X-T1: ticks the wedding backup box, ticks the family/hobby box but the video on Fuji's is apparently quite average
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Not to mention you'll press the wrong button for sure under pressure.
cheddargav said:
I don't spect an answer (tho thoughts are welcome of course), guess I just wanted to write it down.

I'm favouring the Sony option at the moment. I will go to London and try them all in a week I think.

Gav
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The Sony is a nice unit for sure, but do you really want to have to learn two different sets of reflexes and two different post processing routines for two different cameras? Not to mention the lens expense, oy!
 
I said don't reply, I knew this forum would pour reality over my complaints!

FYI, none of my thinking ever follows logic.

Have a good day!
 
Dennis said:
cheddargav said:
No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!

why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, ... I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.
Click to expand...
Sorry, not sympathizing with the rant. I mean, I can understand why you'd want something that does everything. But why should pro tools have to handle personal use ?

Back when I was married, our wedding photographer shot Hassleblad medium format gear. And used Minolta SLRs for personal use. Limo drivers don't use their stretches for trips to the grocery store.

If you need a camera for work, buy a camera for work. And buy a camera for personal use. Get an SL1 if you want to use your Canon lenses. There are dirt cheap clearance kits available. Get a Sony RX100 and be happy with a camera that fits in your pants pocket ! (You'd be far from the only one doing that).

- Dennis
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New G2X eh? I'll keep my eyes open. Hopefully it'll have a wider aperture this time, cheers
 
cheddargav said:
Dennis said:
cheddargav said:
No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!

why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, ... I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.
Click to expand...
Sorry, not sympathizing with the rant. I mean, I can understand why you'd want something that does everything. But why should pro tools have to handle personal use ?

Back when I was married, our wedding photographer shot Hassleblad medium format gear. And used Minolta SLRs for personal use. Limo drivers don't use their stretches for trips to the grocery store.

If you need a camera for work, buy a camera for work. And buy a camera for personal use. Get an SL1 if you want to use your Canon lenses. There are dirt cheap clearance kits available. Get a Sony RX100 and be happy with a camera that fits in your pants pocket ! (You'd be far from the only one doing that).

- Dennis
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Zoofy said:
cheddargav said:
Dennis said:
cheddargav said:
No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!

why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, ... I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.
Click to expand...
Sorry, not sympathizing with the rant. I mean, I can understand why you'd want something that does everything. But why should pro tools have to handle personal use ?

Back when I was married, our wedding photographer shot Hassleblad medium format gear. And used Minolta SLRs for personal use. Limo drivers don't use their stretches for trips to the grocery store.

If you need a camera for work, buy a camera for work. And buy a camera for personal use. Get an SL1 if you want to use your Canon lenses. There are dirt cheap clearance kits available. Get a Sony RX100 and be happy with a camera that fits in your pants pocket ! (You'd be far from the only one doing that).

- Dennis
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A 6d isn't good for family? Why not? Please don't tell me it's too heavy or you can't take it with you.

Just buy a 5d III and be done with it. The cost should be insignificant in a business (you want video, family, and business, and are competing with amateur photographers who have two 5ds . . .)
cheddargav said:
Another 6D: ticks the back up option and video, but not the family time
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tko said:
A 6d isn't good for family? Why not? Please don't tell me it's too heavy or you can't take it with you.

Just buy a 5d III and be done with it. The cost should be insignificant in a business (you want video, family, and business, and are competing with amateur photographers who have two 5ds . . .)
tko said:
Another 6D: ticks the back up option and video, but not the family time
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Yeah it's much too heavy, I have weak little arms...
Ok seriously, there are, amazingly, lots of people out there that can't be @rsed to carry a DSLR + decent lens about when they go out with the family.
This fact might explain the growth in the mirrorless market (you may have noticed this?)
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www.twitter.com/gavphotography
 
cheddargav said:
cheddargav said:
A 6d isn't good for family? Why not? Please don't tell me it's too heavy or you can't take it with you.

Just buy a 5d III and be done with it. The cost should be insignificant in a business (you want video, family, and business, and are competing with amateur photographers who have two 5ds . . .)
cheddargav said:
Another 6D: ticks the back up option and video, but not the family time
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Yeah it's much too heavy, I have weak little arms...
Ok seriously, there are, amazingly, lots of people out there that can't be @rsed to carry a DSLR + decent lens about when they go out with the family.
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I just bought a 6D to use with my 40mm pancake lens for shooting family parties. Supplemented with a bounced 270EX flash. It is small, light, and unobtrusive. The 6D + 40 allows for a reasonable amount of 'zooming by cropping' (when you start with a sharp lens like the 40mm pancake.)

If you want a smaller package for walking around outside that has zoom, pick up an EOS-M + 18-55 lens while they are still available at close out prices. And gives you a spare body that fits in a pants pocket for your professional jobs. (The M + 22 gives the same advantages I described for the 6D + 40--just not in low light.)
cheddargav said:
This fact might explain the growth in the mirrorless market (you may have noticed this?)
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Not in the US. That's why there were warehouses of EOS-Ms that Canon had to dump at closeout prices. I have one and it is great (for walking around outside. Not so great for shooting moving objects in dim light.)

Wayne
 
cheddargav said:
cheddargav said:
A 6d isn't good for family? Why not? Please don't tell me it's too heavy or you can't take it with you.

Just buy a 5d III and be done with it. The cost should be insignificant in a business (you want video, family, and business, and are competing with amateur photographers who have two 5ds . . .)
cheddargav said:
Another 6D: ticks the back up option and video, but not the family time
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Yeah it's much too heavy, I have weak little arms...
Ok seriously, there are, amazingly, lots of people out there that can't be @rsed to carry a DSLR + decent lens about when they go out with the family.
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But not pro photographers. I could understand if you were an amateur. And you did say you were short of cash, so carrying a little extra weight for a while is a way to save money. And there is that 40MM pancake which is really cheap.
cheddargav said:
This fact might explain the growth in the mirrorless market (you may have noticed this?)
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And the growth of cell phones, which are basically free, and good for taking family photos, and will save precious money for your business . . .
cheddargav said:
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Dennis said:
Zoofy said:
cheddargav said:
Dennis said:
cheddargav said:
No one need reply, but I have to get this off my chest!

why oh why can't there just be one camera to tick all those bloody boxes!?! I'm a wedding/portrait photographer with a family, ... I want a back up to the 6D and a camera for family time.
Click to expand...
Sorry, not sympathizing with the rant. I mean, I can understand why you'd want something that does everything. But why should pro tools have to handle personal use ?

Back when I was married, our wedding photographer shot Hassleblad medium format gear. And used Minolta SLRs for personal use. Limo drivers don't use their stretches for trips to the grocery store.

If you need a camera for work, buy a camera for work. And buy a camera for personal use. Get an SL1 if you want to use your Canon lenses. There are dirt cheap clearance kits available. Get a Sony RX100 and be happy with a camera that fits in your pants pocket ! (You'd be far from the only one doing that).

- Dennis
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cheddargav said:
Ok seriously, there are, amazingly, lots of people out there that can't be @rsed to carry a DSLR + decent lens about when they go out with the family.
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Depending on what we're doing, family time for me might be a Canon Elph 500 HS for wide angle and a 5D or 20D + 70-200/2.8L IS II for tele, or 5D + 24-105 for both, or the travel kit which includes a 5D, 24-105, 35/1.4, 70-200/2.8, 15mm fisheye, 2x TC, flash and accessories, plus the Elph for video.
 
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