Is the XT-1 too expensive?

Obviously if your area nikon user and are interested in the X-T1 , this means a system change, which is by itself always expensive due to the lenses. Main thing though is that the X-T1 , compared to the D7100, is a different beast altogether. It's mirrorless, with a HUGE EVF which seems to be the leading thing in DSLR-like cameras right now, and a very convenient positioning of the 3 main adjusting values ISO,shutter speed (and aperture via the front/rear dials). The IQ, electronic feature set and focus / shutter response times are said to be good, but we'll have to wait for the first full disclosure and tests . My estimation is that the camera is priced about right, and that it will not be going cheaper in a while, due to espected huge demand ; it's aimed at enthusiasts and upper-level hobby shooters , although it has features that do also speak to professionals, like wheather sealing
and dual card bay.

You can buy a Sony A7 for nearly the same or could be less then the price of the XT-1. Not happening with me. I don't care how good it is.

webrunner5 said:

You can buy a Sony A7 for nearly the same or could be less then the price of the XT-1. Not happening with me. I don't care how good it is.

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The X-T1 will be $400 less than the A7. Anyway, nobody is twisting your arm. Go buy an A7 if that's what you want.

webrunner5 said:

You can buy a Sony A7 for nearly the same or could be less then the price of the XT-1. Not happening with me. I don't care how good it is.

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Have you read the review for the Sony A7? (slow autofocus, less than stellar JPEGs, the typical Sony menu). And lets not even mention the price of Sony lenses.

The A7 is a great idea but a smart person, that just has to have a full frame mirrorless camera, would be smarter to wait for an updated and improved version of the Sony.

The good thing about the market now is choice, lot's of cameras have a strong point. Nikon however seem to be getting sillier every day. I mean if the D610 has the same specs on paper as the D7100 it would sell like hotcakes, being only marginally bigger. Nikon however wanted to create a gap to justify a D800 purchase and what they are doing in their firmware to disable 3rd party lenses is also a low act. People like Scott Kelby have moved to Canon and other lifelong Nikon users like Thom Hogan are questioning some of Nikons decisions as well as their quality control. Once people jump ship it's much harder to get them back, if ever.

I will wait for some sort of review and I am sure there will be a lot of early adopters, it's that kind of camera, then again they might offer a terrific deal for the beginning, we will know pretty soon.

The Sony A7/r and CX are landmark cameras in terms of sensor size to body size ratio. So is the Panasonic GM1. Being a Nikon user, I am reluctant to learn a new system and menu unless it is truly worth while and that's why I am looking closely at the XT-1. I think the next A7r camera will more convincing, once Zeiss adds more lenses to the lineup.

VertigonA380 said:

I am happy with all I have read about the XT-1 but is it too expensive? I mean with the D7100 available for less than $1000, Fuji is asking $1300-$1800 for the XT-1. Sure it might outspec the D7100 in some regards but the D7100 is still a very capable camera, add to this some great value for money lenses and a wide assortment of accessories and it makes the predicted XT-1 prices a little overboard. As far as size goes, you will need a camera bag for both, they obviously aren't pocketable so to me they are about as inconvenient as each other. If the price is around $1600 then we are at the D610 FF camera price level, which is a compact FF camera. What do you think?

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You mention the Nikon, but forget the Pentax — the system sold on compact primes and miniscule-icity. Still the XT-1 is much more compact than the new K-3, but does it hold a candle to the Pentax's specs?

I just bought the Pentax. 'Nuff said, in my opinion.

-Raj

VertigonA380 said:

I am happy with all I have read about the XT-1 but is it too expensive? I mean with the D7100 available for less than $1000, Fuji is asking $1300-$1800 for the XT-1. Sure it might outspec the D7100 in some regards but the D7100 is still a very capable camera, add to this some great value for money lenses and a wide assortment of accessories and it makes the predicted XT-1 prices a little overboard. As far as size goes, you will need a camera bag for both, they obviously aren't pocketable so to me they are about as inconvenient as each other. If the price is around $1600 then we are at the D610 FF camera price level, which is a compact FF camera. What do you think?

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The XT-1 might be a hard sell for people moving in to the X system give the choices available at this price range, if you ignore the retro features and focus on just pure image quality then the similar sized A7 would/could appear a wiser purchase, for those invested in the higher end Fuji lenses 14/23/56 then the XT-1 seems like it could be the perfect upgrade.

I'm very happy with my A7R for a small camera option but I'm going to avoid testing/ handling the XT-1 because I know if I do I'll want it.

My reason for looking at the XT-1 in particular is because I want a more portable option than my FF camera (D800E). The D800E is really a superb image machine and I am still amazed at what comes out of it. I tried the Nikon V2, but it's long in the tooth and the sensor is too small. I don't want to embark on MFT because at the higher end I think it's silly to spend good money on an ancient 4:3 format sensor, besides what does a squarish shaped sensor lend itself to? Not landscape and portraiture, not architecture and not even macro a lot of the time. So the Fuji XT-1 seemed ideal, lots of external control, first grade EVF and APS-C sensor with wi-fi and external camera control options without dragging around cables and laptops.

You make the rather odd claim that you can't shoot landscape or portrait with the 4:3 ratio sensor. Have you ever considered what most of the great portrait/landscape photographers used to use - a hint is that almost always it wasn't a 3:2 ratio ...

Large format is 4:5

Medium format goes from completely square to 4:3 ;-)

Nick

nick_webster said:

You make the rather odd claim that you can't shoot landscape or portrait with the 4:3 ratio sensor. Have you ever considered what most of the great portrait/landscape photographers used to use - a hint is that almost always it wasn't a 3:2 ratio ...

Large format is 4:5

Medium format goes from completely square to 4:3 ;-)

Nick

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Three words "used to use". I am general public, I don't use 4:3 for landscape. If it was so great I would have adopted my dad's old TV, instead I bought widescreen like most of the population. With the XT-1 I can have it to. :-D

VertigonA380 said:

My reason for looking at the XT-1 in particular is because I want a more portable option than my FF camera (D800E). The D800E is really a superb image machine and I am still amazed at what comes out of it. I tried the Nikon V2, but it's long in the tooth and the sensor is too small. I don't want to embark on MFT because at the higher end I think it's silly to spend good money on an ancient 4:3 format sensor, besides what does a squarish shaped sensor lend itself to? Not landscape and portraiture, not architecture and not even macro a lot of the time. So the Fuji XT-1 seemed ideal, lots of external control, first grade EVF and APS-C sensor with wi-fi and external camera control options without dragging around cables and laptops.

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One has to wonder about the future of M43.

The whole argument for M43 is based on smaller system size, however, looking at mirrorless APS-C like Fuji, M43 doesn't seem to have any advantage.

The X-T1 is lighter and smaller than the E-M1 and the Fuji 56/1.2 is actually smaller and lighter than the Pana Leica 42.5/1.2. Same FOV, same aperture but shallower DOF for the Fuji and at a significantly lower price.

Looking at the 50mm FOV, the Fuji and M43 lenses are almost identical in size and weight, both f/1.4 but again DOF advantage for the Fuji system and both similarly priced.

The M43 lenses may have a disadvantage as they are more complex (have more elements) possibly because it is harder to create a lens for the smaller M43 sensor. Forming an image using a smaller sensor means the lens has to be higher resolution (better corrected) to achieve the same final image quality as a lower resolution lens on a larger sensor.

What is the point of using a smaller sensor if the lenses have to be just as big (or bigger) and more expensive? The lack of fast system lenses (apart from the 25/1.4 and the 42.5/1.2 there are no system lenses from Panasonic or Olympus faster than 1.7/1.8) may be because they can't make them - well not small or low cost enough at least.

You can still shoot great landscape, macro, architecture or whatever else in other formats than a 3:2 aspect ratio.

Any modern photographer using large format film, medium format film or digital will still be using those quant old aspect ratios ;-)

Nick

No.

Not too expensive.

VertigonA380 said:

I am happy with all I have read about the XT-1 but is it too expensive? I mean with the D7100 available for less than $1000, Fuji is asking $1300-$1800 for the XT-1. Sure it might outspec the D7100 in some regards but the D7100 is still a very capable camera, add to this some great value for money lenses and a wide assortment of accessories and it makes the predicted XT-1 prices a little overboard. As far as size goes, you will need a camera bag for both, they obviously aren't pocketable so to me they are about as inconvenient as each other. If the price is around $1600 then we are at the D610 FF camera price level, which is a compact FF camera. What do you think?

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The Nikon D7100 has 4 times the volume and twice the weight. It is a huge, large brick look.

Sure you can shoot anything with any ratio, but does it do it well? From wiki:

"The beginnings of mechanical television can be traced back to the discovery of the photoconductivity of the element selenium by Willoughby Smith in 1873, the invention of a scanning disk by Paul Gottlieb Nipkow in 1884 and John Logie Baird's demonstration of televised moving images in 1926."

Besides I don't carry around medium or large format cameras, otherwise I would be in that forum, if one even exists.

Now that pricing has been confirmed, no it's not.

I agree with you and personally think MFT will end up in phones and compacts. I never understood why some makers are almost totally fixated on it, it doesn't do anything well.

True and that's why I said "As far as size goes, you will need a camera bag for both, they obviously aren't pocketable so to me they are about as inconvenient as each other." Now the XT-1 has been announced, specs and prices confirmed I have decided to get one.