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Would it be the best all-round prime, for the landscape/street grapher combine?

I find Oly 12mm f2.0 rather expensive and oly 17mm f1.7 was also a bit more in to street side, not so much into landscape... And all the others further than that (such as sigma 19mm and panasonic 20mm). So I am looking between 10-16mm, a lens whic can accept a filter tread (not a fish eyes..)

and there isn't else than current oly 9-18mm zoom is coming, should I go for 15mm ?

share your opinions to guide me folks. Thank you

Ben
 
Would it be the best all-round prime, for the landscape/street grapher combine?

I find Oly 12mm f2.0 rather expensive and oly 17mm f1.7 was also a bit more in to street side, not so much into landscape... And all the others further than that (such as sigma 19mm and panasonic 20mm). So I am looking between 10-16mm, a lens whic can accept a filter tread (not a fish eyes..)

and there isn't else than current oly 9-18mm zoom is coming, should I go for 15mm ?

share your opinions to guide me folks. Thank you

Ben
The 15mm may well cost as much as the 12mm.... no one knows...
 
Accırding to Dxo markings on my camera Leica 25mm is the second optically best lens. It charges the same price than okynous 9-18mm which is wide but not that perfect.. And leica gives lenshood in that price but olympus does not. So leicas are not that expensive.



after all olympus 12mm is 150euros more expensive than 25mm leica and yes... Without hood..



I find voightlanders the most expensive. They charge such money for all manual. Interesting is not it ?



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Accırding to Dxo markings on my camera Leica 25mm is the second optically best lens. It charges the same price than okynous 9-18mm which is wide but not that perfect.. And leica gives lenshood in that price but olympus does not. So leicas are not that expensive.

after all olympus 12mm is 150euros more expensive than 25mm leica and yes... Without hood..
well, that's an unfair comparison. if you need to shoot at 12-15 mm, you will not look at a 25mm lens. the 25mm competes with the olympus 17mm and panasonic 20mm, both of which are cheaper (well, the the 17mm f1.8 is not a lot cheaper, but still...). so, while the Leica 15mm might be cheaper than the olympus 12mm, generally looking at anything branded Leica and thinking "this will be cheaper than some other similar gear" does not happen in real life.
I find voightlanders the most expensive. They charge such money for all manual. Interesting is not it ?
i think they charge such money for f0.95, which no one else has.
 
Voigtlander charges a premium not only for the fast aperture but the finely machined metal construction. It's all metal for the bulk of its build. I won't take mine apart to find out, but I'd bet on the focussing helical to be alloy as well. Nice feeling lens in the hand. I love mine.
 
Voigtlander is actually a cheaper option to Zeiss on other systems (well, not exactly, as they both have their own signature rendering, and thus aren't really interchangeable. Zeiss has that 3D, larger-than-life contrast and colors, while the CVs pursue a vintage look). And $1000 for an all-metal F/0.95 lens is actually pretty accessible.

I'm looking forward to the 15mm myself. Considering the F/1.7 aperture is less 'exotic' than its F/1.4 and F/1.2 buddies, it may just be sanely priced (I'm hoping it's not like $900). And if the other Panaleicas are anything to go by, it will be near the top of the pack optically.

If anything, its release may force Olympus to lower the sticker price for their 17mm and 12mm primes to stay competitive. So I see it as a win-win for buyers regardless.
 
Would it be the best all-round prime, for the landscape/street grapher combine?

I find Oly 12mm f2.0 rather expensive and oly 17mm f1.7 was also a bit more in to street side, not so much into landscape... And all the others further than that (such as sigma 19mm and panasonic 20mm). So I am looking between 10-16mm, a lens whic can accept a filter tread (not a fish eyes..)

and there isn't else than current oly 9-18mm zoom is coming, should I go for 15mm ?

share your opinions to guide me folks. Thank you

Ben
It depends on what you are looking for. I am kind of interested in it, but it depends on the price. I have the 12/2, and it is a wonderful lens. Yes, I feel it is a little too expensive, but I managed to get mine for a smidge over $600, used in flawless condition, so I can't complain. Its about the price I think it should be new.

I would generally not consider a 12mm a street lens. A traditional 35mm is what I'd consider a street lens. 28-30mm equivelent I think is too wide, but I guess could work. That range could also work as a landscape lens. Then again, a 200mm equivelent can also work as a landscape lens, just depends on what you are shooting.

I think a lot depends on price. I have the 12mm and the 25mm, so a 17mm is the perfect fit in between. However, if the price is right and the optical quality is awesome, the 15mm might just work for me over the 17/1.8.

However, if the price is the same or more, I think I'd rather the 17/1.8, even if the optical quality is better on the 15mm. Slightly better focal length on the 17mm for me, I could careless about the 1/6th of a stop faster on the 15mm, the 15mm looks like it'll probably be a hair larger and heavier than the 17mm and the 17mm has good enough optical quality for me (IE I could print to 13x19 shooting wide open and it'll be fine. I can't really say that with my current 17mm f/2.8 though, which is one of the few m4/3 I can say that about. It'll make a fine 8x10, but just isn't good enough for larger images).

Personally, especially after the price of the 42.5mm f/1.2 was just announced and how expensive the 25mm f/1.4 is, I suspect that Panasonic is probably going to price the 15mm f/1.7 around $600. Maybe somewhat more, possibly less, but I doubt it. That puts it firmly in the "not a chance Panny" pricing for me considering the alternatives. If it comes in at the same price or less than the Olympus, it'll take a lot of thinking (though Olympus now seems to be discounting the 17/1.8 with sales, which they do a few times a year, and Panasonic almost never has sales on their lenses).

If it forces Olympus to reduce the price of the 12/17, maybe to the good. If it means they are on sale for a little cheaper than they often are on sale, great. The 17mm f/1.8 is looking more and more attractive though, It was just on sale for $399 from the regular $499 price. If I can snag it for $100, I can also sell my 17/2.8 for probably at least $100, maybe a little more. That brings the cost to me down to basically $300, which is within my camera discretionary budget (though not right now, maybe in a few months). My brother-in-laws wedding is coming up this October, so maybe I can grab one at a mother's day, father's day, memorial day or labor day sale.

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well, i would certainly like one for indoor family photos or outdoor low light wide angle shots.
 
Would it be the best all-round prime, for the landscape/street grapher combine?

I find Oly 12mm f2.0 rather expensive and oly 17mm f1.7 was also a bit more in to street side, not so much into landscape... And all the others further than that (such as sigma 19mm and panasonic 20mm). So I am looking between 10-16mm, a lens whic can accept a filter tread (not a fish eyes..)

and there isn't else than current oly 9-18mm zoom is coming, should I go for 15mm ?

share your opinions to guide me folks. Thank you

Ben
And the images it produces have an extremely transparent, airy quality.

This is by virtue of the fact that the lens does not actually exist yet.
 
For the money, I mean... Whatever the 14mm f2.5 is at that moment + 200 or 250( add your currency). If it's less, it would be about a goodbye to the 14mm lens - or they have a new faster version of that too in the pipeline.

Won't be a cheap lens, but neither too overpriced - there are the Oly 17mm f1.8 and 12mm f2 limiting the possible maximum, even with the Leica-stamp. And the target audience seems to be first in the GM-series users - maybe even a bundle with that body. Leica can sell the M-mount lenses as high (or about) as they wish because they have the reputation of good quality and customers that are willing to pay whatever they ask - and the new bodies move in 5000e + category. MFT world is a different world.

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Would it be the best all-round prime, for the landscape/street grapher combine?

I find Oly 12mm f2.0 rather expensive and oly 17mm f1.7 was also a bit more in to street side, not so much into landscape... And all the others further than that (such as sigma 19mm and panasonic 20mm). So I am looking between 10-16mm, a lens whic can accept a filter tread (not a fish eyes..)

and there isn't else than current oly 9-18mm zoom is coming, should I go for 15mm ?

share your opinions to guide me folks. Thank you

Ben
And the images it produces have an extremely transparent, airy quality.

This is by virtue of the fact that the lens does not actually exist yet.
ll its "there" and exist... But not at the market for sure...

http://www.dpreview.com/files/news/0136449009/gm1_lenses.jpg
 
Would it be the best all-round prime, for the landscape/street grapher combine?

I find Oly 12mm f2.0 rather expensive and oly 17mm f1.7 was also a bit more in to street side, not so much into landscape... And all the others further than that (such as sigma 19mm and panasonic 20mm). So I am looking between 10-16mm, a lens whic can accept a filter tread (not a fish eyes..)

and there isn't else than current oly 9-18mm zoom is coming, should I go for 15mm ?

share your opinions to guide me folks. Thank you

Ben
Personally, I think for most people the 17 would be ideal for this combination of uses, but if it's too long for you and from what's available now, what's wrong with the P14? I'm sure the P/L 15 is going to be more expensive than the Oly 12.

Honestly, I find my S30 to be an ideal landscape lens... everyone is different.
 
Accırding to Dxo markings on my camera Leica 25mm is the second optically best lens. It charges the same price than okynous 9-18mm which is wide but not that perfect.. And leica gives lenshood in that price but olympus does not. So leicas are not that expensive.

after all olympus 12mm is 150euros more expensive than 25mm leica and yes... Without hood..

I find voightlanders the most expensive. They charge such money for all manual. Interesting is not it ?

Ben
This is a totally weird comparison to me.
 
I doubt it will cost less than the Olympus 12mm, considering what they're asking for the 45/1.2. As others have said, the Panny 14/2.5 would be a good compromise. Unfortunately my copy of the lens wasn't great, but I've seen pics from other copies that were quite good.
 
...However, if the price is the same or more, I think I'd rather the 17/1.8, even if the optical quality is better on the 15mm. Slightly better focal length on the 17mm for me, I could careless about the 1/6th of a stop faster on the 15mm, the 15mm looks like it'll probably be a hair larger and heavier than the 17mm and the 17mm has good enough optical quality for me (IE I could print to 13x19 shooting wide open and it'll be fine. I can't really say that with my current 17mm f/2.8 though, which is one of the few m4/3 I can say that about. It'll make a fine 8x10, but just isn't good enough for larger images)
While I rarely shoot it wide open, the 12x16" prints I make from my Oly 17/2.8 can stand up to any of the other lenses mentioned. They have hung in a gallery next to my girlfriend's P20 prints and my Oly 45 prints. No one pointed out any difference in IQ based on the framed images.

That said, obviously it isn't the greatest lens ever made... I occasionally consider buyting the 17/1.8. Wouldn't consider the 15 because I don't care for the FL.

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Since the PL15/1.7 has not be released yet and the pricing has not be announced it is only going to be a guess. With the Leica brand name on the lens the image quality is going to be very good and the price is going to be high. It will be price above the Oly 12/2.0. I am also guessing we will know a bunch more details when CP+ photo gear show starts in Febuary. I just hope it is just premium price and not ultra-premium price.

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