Do you use the soft proof feature in LR?Here is one of the images I'm working with as the shadow on the lower half of my son's face is harsher on the printout than it is on my screen.
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Pixma Pro 10 + new Spyder Elite = still dark prints
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A good choice too, but unless I'm missing it I believe I cannot do borderless printing in the print tab of LR with the Canon printer. The only place I can find borderless printing in LR is if I launch the Canon Print Studio Pro plugin.
jtoolman
Veteran Member
Most calibrators use 6500k as default. Anything lower and you will end up with a yellowish display which will cause you to want to add blue or subtract yellow from your images.
You will NEVER absolutely match your print to your monitor. It's simply impossible to do so. So do yourself a favor and stop agonizing trying to do so. Just get is as close as you can.
I never really go back to compare prints to my monitor. I look at my output under my viewing lights and that is the only think that matter. Is the print great or not. Not whether it matches the monitor as it never will. Two totally different medias!
In this case that is all you could do. All of the exercises that we go through in our printing is meant to produce a print that looks great in an environment closer to what a high end gallery would have. Most of us do not have than in our homes nor do any of the people we might sell to.
So in this case you may have to adjust so that the finished product looks as it should under normal household living room lighting.
Joe
No. I've tried it and just tried it again on 3 images. I see absolutely no different when I hit "S" to turn on Soft Proof. All it does is turn the space behind the image white, but the image remains the same to my eyes.Do you use the soft proof feature in LR?Here is one of the images I'm working with as the shadow on the lower half of my son's face is harsher on the printout than it is on my screen.
Quick search brought a tutorial , so I guess it is possible. I never tried and do not own a Canon printer, though...
jtoolman
Veteran Member
Sure you can.
Joe
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My main printers ( there are more though )
2200/CX-7400/R-1900/R-2000/R-2400/R-2880/PRO-3800/R-340/R-380/SP-1400/Artisan- 725/Canon-Pro-9000MKII/Canon-PRO-9500 MKII / PRO-100
My videos!
PRO-100 Printing out of various sources
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEeDpEIUkkQ&feature=youtu.be
04 Want to refill and reset your OEM PRO 3800 / 3880 Carts? Refilling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRr-rUu9hkU&feature=youtu.be
05 Want to refill and reset your OEM PRO 3800 / 3880 Carts? Printing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaQju7xOKy4&feature=youtu.be
Cleaning the Purge Pad and Wiper on the Epson PRO 3800
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzxAm9QtWo
Basic Epson R2000 Maintenance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRZU1_XD7xE
Calibrating your monitor and Printing to the R2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2X7MSd-ebE
Refillable 3800 3880 cart sticking problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDi1lhDoWjM
Gloss Optimizing Prints
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iRUoUwwSlA
Printing out of Photo Shop to Epson and Canon Printers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPV75Ak0R1g
Printing in LR-2 this time to the EPSON R2880
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huZ6BlXQqew
Multi Image printing in LR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xoJFJVemo8
Basic Printing in Qimage Ultimate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvrEAam6H_U
Canon PGI-9 Cart Refilling by the "Dribble" method
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGBzHSQx5bU\
Refill Canon PGI 9 via Freedom Method
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgQIWLw10M
Refilling and resetting R2000 China Carts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh2wuzwezxM
Refilling Epson OEM carts - Thorough, Long Winded Version!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8QspjBbhk
Taking out the CURL on prints done on from roll paper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Zj9dtzeU0
Taking out the Curl - TWO.mpeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VataFqqN-Jo
R2000 Push Buttom Reset Carts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYreszSdAM
Creating a Color Profile & Printing on the Canon Pixma PRO 9000 MKII using Color Managent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0N-jgaJY94
Print Room Visit + Filling and Priming Refillable fro Epson 3800
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ARPQ74_9N0
Color Management PART 01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScojQ7dWAFU
Color Management PART 02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqda4F9YlLU
Color Management PART 03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhmkI5EcPbI
Epson Stylus 2200 using refilled OEM carts and Roll attachment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEVDIPt_0tU
Ahh excellent! Canon's integration definitely isn't that clean (Steve Jobs would be ticked). I wondered why I could do it from Photoshop print tab but not LR. Thanks I will use this moving forward & sorry to have you search the net for me (on Christmas at that!).
jtoolman
Veteran Member
You need to load an ICC profile for the Paper / Printer combination you will be printing to. If you do not, then you will not see any difference during softproofing.No. I've tried it and just tried it again on 3 images. I see absolutely no different when I hit "S" to turn on Soft Proof. All it does is turn the space behind the image white, but the image remains the same to my eyes.Do you use the soft proof feature in LR?Here is one of the images I'm working with as the shadow on the lower half of my son's face is harsher on the printout than it is on my screen.
Joe
--
My main printers ( there are more though )
2200/CX-7400/R-1900/R-2000/R-2400/R-2880/PRO-3800/R-340/R-380/SP-1400/Artisan- 725/Canon-Pro-9000MKII/Canon-PRO-9500 MKII / PRO-100
My videos!
PRO-100 Printing out of various sources
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEeDpEIUkkQ&feature=youtu.be
04 Want to refill and reset your OEM PRO 3800 / 3880 Carts? Refilling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRr-rUu9hkU&feature=youtu.be
05 Want to refill and reset your OEM PRO 3800 / 3880 Carts? Printing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaQju7xOKy4&feature=youtu.be
Cleaning the Purge Pad and Wiper on the Epson PRO 3800
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzxAm9QtWo
Basic Epson R2000 Maintenance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRZU1_XD7xE
Calibrating your monitor and Printing to the R2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2X7MSd-ebE
Refillable 3800 3880 cart sticking problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDi1lhDoWjM
Gloss Optimizing Prints
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iRUoUwwSlA
Printing out of Photo Shop to Epson and Canon Printers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPV75Ak0R1g
Printing in LR-2 this time to the EPSON R2880
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huZ6BlXQqew
Multi Image printing in LR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xoJFJVemo8
Basic Printing in Qimage Ultimate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvrEAam6H_U
Canon PGI-9 Cart Refilling by the "Dribble" method
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGBzHSQx5bU\
Refill Canon PGI 9 via Freedom Method
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgQIWLw10M
Refilling and resetting R2000 China Carts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh2wuzwezxM
Refilling Epson OEM carts - Thorough, Long Winded Version!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8QspjBbhk
Taking out the CURL on prints done on from roll paper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Zj9dtzeU0
Taking out the Curl - TWO.mpeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VataFqqN-Jo
R2000 Push Buttom Reset Carts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYreszSdAM
Creating a Color Profile & Printing on the Canon Pixma PRO 9000 MKII using Color Managent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0N-jgaJY94
Print Room Visit + Filling and Priming Refillable fro Epson 3800
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ARPQ74_9N0
Color Management PART 01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScojQ7dWAFU
Color Management PART 02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqda4F9YlLU
Color Management PART 03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhmkI5EcPbI
Epson Stylus 2200 using refilled OEM carts and Roll attachment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEVDIPt_0tU
If you hit S, it most likely shows a soft proof with the sRGB profile and that won't change anything. Did you try soft proofing with your printer profile for the paper you use? The change is usually quite visible for me, especially with the Simulate Ink & Paper option checked.No. I've tried it and just tried it again on 3 images. I see absolutely no different when I hit "S" to turn on Soft Proof. All it does is turn the space behind the image white, but the image remains the same to my eyes.Do you use the soft proof feature in LR?Here is one of the images I'm working with as the shadow on the lower half of my son's face is harsher on the printout than it is on my screen.
Wow thanks again on all fronts Mike & Joe. Selecting the ICC profile does indeed make a big difference. Sorry even though I'm technically savvy I've made some boneheaded mistakes here.
Regardless you got me squared away. Hopefully you don't get coal tomorrow morning as a result
Thanks!
Regardless you got me squared away. Hopefully you don't get coal tomorrow morning as a result
Thanks!
Having light of 5000K isn’t the most important thing because our brain will adjust for variations in the color of the viewing light, as long as they aren’t great.
5000K is a nice middle value. Typical home and office lighting is between about 2700K and 4500K, while outdoor illumination might be 5000K to 6500K, and a typical office is about 3500K-4000K. A print that looks good at 5000K should look good under all those lighting conditions. however, if you optimize a print for 3000K then it might not look as nice during the day when illumination comes from a window.
More important than the color temp, in my opinion though, is having sufficient illumination. Your printer’s profiles are calibrated to provide a similar viewing experience to a high quality magazine or book illustration. If you deviate too much from this by making the print lighter then your prints may appear to be washed out by comparison.
I think what often happens is that we’re too close to the product. We captured the photo, we saw it on the display and we also critically compared the print to our recollection of the scene.
But that’s not what happens when we give (or sell) a print to somebody else. To the extent that they judge a print at all, I believe it’s going to be against what they’re accustomed to seeing, which is published photos.
And Joe is right. You’ll never match a display exactly, because the translucent image is illuminated from behind. You can come very close by calibrating your display and printer, but you’ll never get a perfect match.
In his book "Adobe Photoshop CC for Photographers" Martin Evening is pointing out the import of the editor user interface colours/brightness. If set to dark, as many editors are by default, your images will end up too dark. He is providing some illuminating (pun not intendeed) examples...
Experiment is key I believe, so try it for yourself. Pick a couple of images and adjust them with your editor interface a) set to its darkest, b) set to its brightest. You'll be surprised by the difference it makes.
Best of luck.
Mogens
Experiment is key I believe, so try it for yourself. Pick a couple of images and adjust them with your editor interface a) set to its darkest, b) set to its brightest. You'll be surprised by the difference it makes.
Best of luck.
Mogens
jtoolman
Veteran Member
Very good point. I set my interface to middle gray and my editing room is a constant semi dark environment lit by only to 60 watt bulbs.
Joe
Kaj E
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Do you softproof with the correct printer/paper profiles and simulating paper color?
MrScary
Veteran Member
OK me thinks you be doing the same MISSTAKE I did 6 times with my New Spyder 4 Elite..You trying to set your Brightness at 120. WRONG!!!! 120 cm 2 is different to the brightness we set on monitor. Confusing it is..
6500K--WRONG!!!
Do your profile in a darkish room. Mine was done at night with a light behind my PC.
Set your Monitor to it's DEFAULTS..R 50--G 50--B 50...Brightness on my Dell is 44 & Contrast 75..Try that to start..Do not Touch the RGB, AS YOU WILL SOON GET PROBLEMS LIKE i DID..Start the calibration, the first part should suggest 5800K Don't get put off by that as that is correct for a darkish room. Forget 6500K unless you doing it in Daylight. That is WRONG.
Your Brightness of monitor should be anywhere around 25 to 45. All depends on your Room brightness. If your monitor is higher than that then your prints Will be Dark.
My target was (and yours will be) 120. My Current is 121 That is Great.
Aim for a DeltaE of White Point 0.8 or lower..50% Grey of 0.6 or lower. Mine is 0.8 & 0.3 a Delta E of E1 (Excellent)
Gamma should be 2.2 but you'll be extreamly Lucky if you get that. Mine is at 2.23.
I will not put it all down here, but it took me about 6 tries before it clicked with me on how to do. I even asked the Lads in here, and I still got it wrong. LOL
Good Luck.
P.S---DO NOT TOUCH YOUR GRAPHICS CARD COLOUR MANAGEMENT...NEVER..
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MrScary (DennisR)
Swansea, Wales. UK
http://russ4tography.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scarecrowdr/
6500K--WRONG!!!
Do your profile in a darkish room. Mine was done at night with a light behind my PC.
Set your Monitor to it's DEFAULTS..R 50--G 50--B 50...Brightness on my Dell is 44 & Contrast 75..Try that to start..Do not Touch the RGB, AS YOU WILL SOON GET PROBLEMS LIKE i DID..Start the calibration, the first part should suggest 5800K Don't get put off by that as that is correct for a darkish room. Forget 6500K unless you doing it in Daylight. That is WRONG.
Your Brightness of monitor should be anywhere around 25 to 45. All depends on your Room brightness. If your monitor is higher than that then your prints Will be Dark.
My target was (and yours will be) 120. My Current is 121 That is Great.
Aim for a DeltaE of White Point 0.8 or lower..50% Grey of 0.6 or lower. Mine is 0.8 & 0.3 a Delta E of E1 (Excellent)
Gamma should be 2.2 but you'll be extreamly Lucky if you get that. Mine is at 2.23.
I will not put it all down here, but it took me about 6 tries before it clicked with me on how to do. I even asked the Lads in here, and I still got it wrong. LOL
Good Luck.
P.S---DO NOT TOUCH YOUR GRAPHICS CARD COLOUR MANAGEMENT...NEVER..
--
MrScary (DennisR)
Swansea, Wales. UK
http://russ4tography.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scarecrowdr/
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