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KCK14 said:
I have some good gear. I know what sharp IQ is. Many times, my phone is "good enough"

Could I have gotten a better IQ with my D90 or Oly EM-5 ? Sure. But what is important to me is the expression and spontaneity of my grand kids. Second one was just born, family was all there for a couple days, I had the Olympus and everyone else had their phones. My pictures are sharper, they will make bigger prints (that no one wants). The images that will be best remembered and shown in future years? They were taken with phones. Either due to access (delivery room) or the luck or eye to get a good expression. They are "Good Enough"

I then went on a birding photo trip. My equipment allowed me to take some decent pictures. I guess I'm better at birds than I am with babies.

I am not a better photographer because I can produce superior IQ.
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It's not about a better photographer, its about better photographs. Why is it so many pros use very good (sometimes expensive) gear? Why do you not see guys at pro football games using an iphone? Why does James Cameron not use a Galaxy S4 to film movies? I get it, when you are on a packed subway, you don't want to pull out a massive D4 to snap a funny photo, but when you can have your choice, why limit yourself with such inferior gear as a phone?

Here is one shot, a random pick from photobucket . Are you telling me this shot couldn't have been better with a low end ILC??



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Some people love phones i get it. They are little marvels of multi tasking and entertainment. But lets not kid anybody here, they are no more capable of replacing an ILC as they are of replacing my 51" plasma.
 
Richard said:
I was told by someone on this site that people who use phones to take pictures are in for a nasty surprise. That you can't print big and the IQ makes it not worth taking the picture. I took the below pictures this morning because I did not have my DSLR. But the nasty surprise was the person on this site was wrong. It was worth taking the picture and when I printed it at 8.5x11, it printed very well. I was trying to get a picture of the bird on the lamp post, and at this size you cant see it but if you look at the full size you can see it, what a pleasant surprise.

My Note 3 has the smallest sensor of phones, it is 13mp which means the sensor pixels are too small to be useful and is terrible for just about everything, or so I am told. But I found that it does a good job. As sensors get bigger and lenses on phones get better, I can only believe the images will get better. And as they get better the ground phones cover between the phone camera and the DSLR will only increase.

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Lol.

Richard cracks me up. On one hand he's a fanatic about some DSLRs. Next minute he'll turn around and defend mobile phones as adequate IQ. Once you realise that his arguments are based on what he owns, rather than any objective reasoning, then it all makes sense.
 
Ontario Gone said:
Here is one shot, a random pick from photobucket . Are you telling me this shot couldn't have been better with a low end ILC??

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Some people love phones i get it. They are little marvels of multi tasking and entertainment. But lets not kid anybody here, they are no more capable of replacing an ILC as they are of replacing my 51" plasma.
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This is a droid x. It is an old phone, aF was not very good low resolution. Here is a picture using a Note 3

No... it is you who don't get it. Phones will only continue to get better. And although it will never replace ICL camera, it is good enough for most people and many images.



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Richard said:
RhysM said:
Richard said:
Red5TX said:
Sorry, but that looks pretty bad at 100%. It's very pretty at normal viewing sizes, though!
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Print it out at 8x10, it looks great. It will never match a 21mp FF camera or even a 21mp apsc, but it is more than good enough. 13mp on the smallest phone camera sensor is pretty good, the images will only get better (yes even at 100 percent pixel peeping) as sensors get bigger like what Nokia is doing.
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Stating the bleeding obvious on both counts. To even attempt to compare them is idiotic. It's like saying an air rifle isn't as deadly as a rocket launcher or even a machine gun. It's such an obvious statement it doesn't even warrant the energy to type it.
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Bad analogy. The phone is much closer to a dslr than a air rifle is to a rocket.

Printed at a 4x5 you would have a hard time telling the difference between a phone and a better camera or at least someone who is viewing images and is not a photographer.
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The basic idea is that the air rifle would fail miserably when called upon to do the real work of the machine gun or rocket launcher (or anything else with greater capability than the air gun). A phonecam, at least at this stage, is definitely much limited in capability in more demanding real-world situations.
 
I've seen amazing photos from phones over the last couple years. In the right hands almost any current picture taking device these days can have real quality results. But.........

Imo this is a average photo of a gorgeous sky. I can only imagine if a landscape photographer had set up with a dslr and nice lens. The image could be amazing.

However as the saying goes .... The best camera is the one you have with you.
 
Richard said:
Richard said:
Here is a picture using a Note 3
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No... it is you who don't get it. Phones will only continue to get better. And although it will never replace ICL camera, it is good enough for most people and many images.

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Dude there is something wrong with your phone, his face is really overexposed. Is this because of the limited DR of the smaller sensor?
 
Photoshop.
 
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hdr said:
Richard said:
ho is viewing images and is not a photographer.
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The basic idea is that the air rifle would fail miserably when called upon to do the real work of the machine gun or rocket launcher (or anything else with greater capability than the air gun). A phonecam, at least at this stage, is definitely much limited in capability in more demanding real-world situations.
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Lifeofdavid said:
I've seen amazing photos from phones over the last couple years. In the right hands almost any current picture taking device these days can have real quality results. But.........

Imo this is a average photo of a gorgeous sky. I can only imagine if a landscape photographer had set up with a dslr and nice lens. The image could be amazing.
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True, a dslr could have done better there is no doubt and I would never say a phone will replace a DSLR or even an m43 BUT, unless the image was printed big. I don't think you would see much difference.
Lifeofdavid said:
However as the saying goes .... The best camera is the one you have with you.
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And my point, if I would have had the dslr, I would have used that. But I am not too worried, the image is good enough.
 
Richard said:
hdr said:
Richard said:
ho is viewing images and is not a photographer.
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The basic idea is that the air rifle would fail miserably when called upon to do the real work of the machine gun or rocket launcher (or anything else with greater capability than the air gun). A phonecam, at least at this stage, is definitely much limited in capability in more demanding real-world situations.
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It takes great photos. It performs well, can easily print 8.5x11. An air rifle cannot even kill someone. It is not even a real gun. The phone is a real camera capable of good imaging. It cannot perform specialized tasks such as bird/sports or printing large but most people don't do this. That is why phones are popular.
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I can see where you are coming from.

But popular does not mean superior, not by any stretch of the imagination. It's more a question of serious vs frivolous needs.
 
Richard said:
RhysM said:
Yeah the photo is fine, for what it is.

However, I could paint that scene in as much detail on canvas with watercolour paint. Doesn't prove my painting is as good as a DSLR.
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I never said it was as good as a dslr. What I said was that people taking pictures with a newer phone will not have any nasty surprises when they go to print at 8x10.
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These guys are tone deaf. They don't understand that equipment has never been the deciding factor. I'll bet a curious 12 year-old with an iphone would produce better images than most of these techie, gear freak, pixel peepers.
 
Richard said:
It takes great photos.
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You must be kidding.
Richard said:
I performs well, can easily print 8.5x11. The phone is a real camera capable of good imaging.
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You told another joke.
Richard said:
It cannot perform secialized tasks such as bird/sports or printing large but most people don't do this.
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I'd love to see the stats regarding who does what with what camera.
Richard said:
That is why phones are popular.
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Phones were popular before they had cameras. I will never be without a phone again, and it has nothing to do with the camera. People would still drive cars if they didn't have a trunk, because we need to get from place to place. It's convenient they have trunks, and i use mine from time to time, but i wouldn't make the claim that people buy cars BECAUSE they have trunks. You guys are giving way too much credit to a tiny camera when you have ZERO stats to back it up either way.
 
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wudyi said:
These guys are tone deaf. They don't understand that equipment has never been the deciding factor. I'll bet a curious 12 year-old with an iphone would produce better images than most of these techie, gear freak, pixel peepers.
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When a camera can capture this kind of scene, i will gladly pick one up and shoot like crazy.



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Ontario Gone said:
Richard said:
It takes great photos.
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You must be kidding.
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No, it does, and reviews say it as well.
Ontario Gone said:
Ontario Gone said:
I performs well, can easily print 8.5x11. The phone is a real camera capable of good imaging.
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You told another joke.
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I have actually have done this, it is pretty good, even better if you process the image right.
Ontario Gone said:
Ontario Gone said:
It cannot perform secialized tasks such as bird/sports or printing large but most people don't do this.
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I'd love to see the stats regarding who does what with what camera.
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All you need to know is most everyone has a phone, the number of people who own DSLRs are a lot less.
Ontario Gone said:
Ontario Gone said:
That is why phones are popular.
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Phones were popular before they had cameras. I will never be without a phone again, and it has nothing to do with the camera.
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Sauce for the goose, Savik
Ontario Gone said:
People would still drive cars if they didn't have a trunk, because we need to get from place to place. It's convenient they have trunks, and i use mine from time to time, but i wouldn't make the claim that people buy cars BECAUSE they have trunks. You guys are giving way too much credit to a tiny camera when you have ZERO stats to back it up either way.
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All you need to do is look at facebook to see how many people use the camera on their phones. It is an extention of their life. Phone makers know this and that is why cameras in phones are improving leaps and bounds.

We will never agree on this so I will say we agree to disagree and quit responding to your sometimes incoherent ramblings.
 
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I did pixel-peep. There is no over-sharpening, and I found the bird.

I don't have a cell-phone, but I am not against them. Until someone using one in the street bumps into me because he is not watching where he is going.

Henry
 
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